Solution to zodiac drop rates!

I used to say it wasn't a big deal then it happened to me, lol. Some dungeons took over 25 attempts, and most a good deal more than 5 or even 10.

Sure, I know some people think it should not be nerfed and I agree with that notion.

That's why I suggest a solution that fits FF lore and doesn't neceessarily nerf this but makes it more reliable and/or fun!

Add a treasure hunter item, exclusive ONLY to Zodiac drops. Make it something that can't be sold or traded, but can be solo crafted, bought for 2000 soldiery, bought with tons of MGP. Using it in a dungeon increase zodiac drop rate to 100%. After using it you need another for the same function. Making them a grind to acquire means the relic quest is still just as Grindy, but less RNG is involved.

Just remove Aurum Vale from the list of dungeon with drops.

PLEASE ;______;

I actually got the drop from AV in two runs; I found I like running it on WHM. Ha..

but yes the RNG needs to be adjusted (I never want to step into HM Copperbell again...fifty run....ugh), this suggestion doesn't sound too game breaky.

The solution is to do more dungeons. The RNG for this is not nearly as bad as almost anything else, and it serves its intended purpose of making sure anyone at all is doing these dungeons to begin with. And yes, I have a Zeta.

My opinion is that it should work on a sliding scale. Each run should have a progressively higher chance to yield the drop until you finally get it. Say a system like this:

Include a line of code in the quest code block that keeps track of the number of times you've cleared the dungeon, but not gotten the item. A counter starts with an initial value of 3, and increments by one each time you clear, but don't get the item. The chance of receiving the item is equal to 5%, multiplied by the value of the counter.

So on attempt #1, you have a 15% chance to get the item. Didn't get it? Counter increments to 4. Attempt #2 has a 20% chance instead of 15%. Still didn't get it? Counter increments to 5. Attempt #3 you have a 25% chance to get the item... and so on, with no upper limit to how high your percent chance can become. Eventually you would become guaranteed to get the drop.

RNG would still be a factor, but after enough consecutive attempts, you eventually get it for sure.

It's fine the way it is. All the dungeons are fine too including AV and DD.

I'm not saying it isn't fine, I actually don't mind it one bit lol. I just saw lots of complaints and then got into the struggle myself with a horrible drop RNG, and thought hmm...what could be implemented that doesn't necessarily break the game, still keeps this Grindy, and gives an alternate approach for those few players who can't stand bad RNG? And I think this is it. And I'm 100% all of you saying it's fine the way it is would use this system if it was implemented :D

On top of that I just think it's a FUN idea, the treasure hunter concept has been in FF forever, and people would love to grind out MGP for this and the boring folks could just use soldiery, and I'm sure the people who craft would love feeling unique when it comes to crafting their own.

I haven't had this issue, I've been rather fortunate...

Brayflox HM- 1
Dzemael Darkhold- 6
Halatali HM- 2
Snowcloak- 6
Aurum Vale- 2
Hauke Manor HM- 3
Lost City- 5
Sastasha HM- 5
Wanderers Palace- 6
Copperbell Mines HM- 5
Hull Breaker Isle- 5
Qarn HM- 3

So far it's been fairly smooth sailing.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

The solution is to do more dungeons. The RNG for this is not nearly as bad as almost anything else, and it serves its intended purpose of making sure anyone at all is doing these dungeons to begin with. And yes, I have a Zeta.

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It took me 4 times as long to get all the dungeon items than it did for me to get 12 atmas. I wish there was a way to increase the drop rate, Cause I'm never making another one again.

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Originally Posted by ShorreasAeatose

My opinion is that it should work on a sliding scale. Each run should have a progressively higher chance to yield the drop until you finally get it. Say a system like this:

Include a line of code in the quest code block that keeps track of the number of times you've cleared the dungeon, but not gotten the item. A counter starts with an initial value of 3, and increments by one each time you clear, but don't get the item. The chance of receiving the item is equal to 5%, multiplied by the value of the counter.

So on attempt #1, you have a 15% chance to get the item. Didn't get it? Counter increments to 4. Attempt #2 has a 20% chance instead of 15%. Still didn't get it? Counter increments to 5. Attempt #3 you have a 25% chance to get the item... and so on, with no upper limit to how high your percent chance can become. Eventually you would become guaranteed to get the drop.

RNG would still be a factor, but after enough consecutive attempts, you eventually get it for sure.

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Yeah, I agreed with you earlier on that when you brought it up to me myself and I'll say it again here: That would be awesome. Eventually, you'd be guaranteed to get the drop after making a set number of runs, rather than constantly being limited to that same small % in each run that ends up making players run the same dungeon over 50 times or so.

It saddens me to see they did nothing to adjust the Zodiac drops for this patch. Looks like my Nexus relics are just going to remain Nexus except for my Excalibur Zeta, since I don't want to go through that hell again.

I dont get why people whine about "finding a solution".

If you want your weapon just do the quest. It takes a lot of time but :

1. You have been warned before. 2. This is supposed to be the best weapon by far when properly meld. Even better than t13 weapon which is not really easy and fast to get.
3. This weapon is absolutely not needed for 100% of the content since ironworks i130 weapons are powerfull enough.

If you dont want it just dont do the quest.

Nobody forces you. What is boring is to have whiners saying "help us nerf it" each time they are asked to run something long. Give yourself a goal . Do your 100ish dungeons. Enjoy your zeta. If you cant without crying then you probably dont understood what a MMO is.

I gave up on my zeta after I got my Zenith...
But, one thing I can see to make the dungeon runs more interesting would be to perhaps introduce a consolation prize of sorts.. Put in some crafting mats that are worth some money so people farm it.. I know some already have it, but most of the existing ones are crap.. I'm talking like Inferno Horn kinda deal, hundreds of thousands to maybe a million gil in price, of course with a low enough drop rate so it is sought after. I would like to see some of those.

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Originally Posted by GenJoe

I gave up on my zeta after I got my Zenith...
But, one thing I can see to make the dungeon runs more interesting would be to perhaps introduce a consolation prize of sorts.. Put in some crafting mats that are worth some money so people farm it.. I know some already have it, but most of the existing ones are crap.. I'm talking like Inferno Horn kinda deal, hundreds of thousands to maybe a million gil in price, of course with a low enough drop rate so it is sought after. I would like to see some of those.

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You already get consolation prizes from most of the dungeons in the form of desynth items and tomes. AV and DD are the only dungeons on the list that I consider an almost complete waste of time.

That being said, I favor a tweak to the RNG-only acquisition method just because it can and does inordinately screw over a minority of players. I've made two Zodiac weapons this far and have been fairly lucky, but I know others have had it worse.

Over 20 DD runs...
About 10 runs for most the others...

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But hey... At least I one shot WP and Brayflox. Takes so long to get them done, you know, and the big pulls... so stressful. Because areas like the first room of AV are so much more fun I wanna have more time for them...

Yeah, being on the "you're screwed" side of the zodiac I can stress how not cool it was.

Do I think it should change? Sure. Do I expect it to a couple months before heavensward? No. Hopefully they drew the proper conclusions from the 90-100 stage and zodiac and don't repeat it ever.

It took me over 1.5 weeks of running DD for about 40+ runs to get my drop. I'm currently on my 23rd hullbreaker.. its almost silly

working on my second Zeta atm so I picked up the quest early im currently at the novus stage so im just doing the dungeons for drops while I farm the light for nexus that way when im done I can just instantly change it from nexus to zodiac.