3.0 Lucis requirement?

Is there any information on whether or not Lucis tools will be required to progress, or are these just pre expansion vanity?

Just vanity.

I highly doubt they'll be needed to get to lvl 60.

I'm sure it will be possible to head into the next tier of crafting without them, but it will be harder to get there without them.

Lucis are actually rather easy to acquire.

Supra aren't too hard either.

The hardest part of the Lucis is getting all the materials. In particular, the Moonstones. They're not hard to get, just somewhat time consuming and you sort of have to focus upon them. Ignore the one you can get daily from the Ixali quests; you need 20 per Lucis, or 160 for the whole set of crafting tools, adding another 60 on for the three gathering tools. That's jut too many for the daily Ixali quest to supply them all, so GC seals are the way to go. With the need for 60 of the other things (such as Duck Bones) per Lucis, you've either got to do a lot of Hunting, Leves, or go back to the Moonstone standby, GC seals.

Fastest way I know of for the GC seals is the Madman's whispering Rod. You can make 25 of them per game day if you gather the Thavnairian Mistletoe, Vampire Plants, and Trilium Bulbs yourself. Main cost is going to be the Crystals. That can be offset if you use a set of the i55 gear for spiritbonding purposes.

lucis will have its place but will not be neededim sure, but for all us who got them im sure there helpful

If the lucis tools are the crafting relic and players will be rewarded for having their zodiac in 3.0,i don't see why the lucis would be any different. I'll go so far as to stay that the lucis will be a 1 to 1 trade in for the level 60 AF main hand, without it; the player will probably be required to complete a tedious quest line.

Edit: Think of 3.0 as a soft reset, players won't have to do ALL of the 2.0 content but some of it. Supra will get nerfed drastically but i don't see lucis being nerfed since it is already incredibly easy to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Lucis are actually rather easy to acquire.

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Other than MB2, in your opinion, what's harder than Lucis?

Considering that any NQ token can be handed in for the 3 bought items and the hard-to-find item in the recipe, I'd have to say that any 4 star item is harder to get.

Lucis is only time consuming, due to the sheer number of Moonstones and "Duck Bone" (and similar items for the other crafts) and the need to craft 20 tokens. That's not difficulty, that's tedium.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Considering that any NQ token can be handed in for the 3 bought items and the hard-to-find item in the recipe, I'd have to say that any 4 star item is harder to get.

Lucis is only time consuming, due to the sheer number of Moonstones and "Duck Bone" (and similar items for the other crafts) and the need to craft 20 tokens. That's not difficulty, that's tedium.

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Yea I'm with you. The Moonstones are the painful part. Even the leves I did for the tokens weren't that bad if you selected the easiest crafts for the leves. The turn-ins themselves are a compromise between the Master I turn ins and the Master II tur ins: They aren't as easy as the Master Is and not as punishing/costly as the Master IIs.

I mean, I know a few people that had all their Lucis tools within 3 days of the patch. I couldn't be bothered to spend that much time on something that isn't necessary for 4* crafting, but it's to show it's doable.

I've found for the Moonstones doing a few maps kills the tedium of spamming GC seals.

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Originally Posted by Squand

Other than MB2, in your opinion, what's harder than Lucis?

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Just about every 3-4star crafts..
I can hq lucis tokens about 80% of the time and while it's technically lower percentage of hq than say, 80dura 3 star crafts (can get about 95% hq with those) there's just not much you're risking..

Even the Manual II tokens aren't that difficult if you consider the hq rate and how you can have up to 5 nq to use as supra token, it's just the cost of each craft and the potential of waste that makes it so notorious.

Other than those, Primal weapons? 4 star crafts?

I think Lucis will be made easier, like the relic is always made easier with time. But then it won't be the best weapon available, something better will appear. If the problem now are the moonstones and other materials, either the moonstones required will be less, or moonstones GC price will be less, or they will start to drop in many dungeons, or retainers will start to bring moonstones or some way to make them easier. The same for the other items needed if they are the cause of the time gate we have now. Or maybe require 5 or 10 items turn-in instead of 20, whatever.

Usually the long grindy last step is made easier when a longer grindier new last step is established or some time after.

lucis was easy to get, all you needed to do was craft 2000 or so green i55 items and trade for seals to get all the mats needed for every tool including gatherer,

I did it in 4 days or so, so yeah id say they were the easiest step even with all the crafting which in itself was easy just timely.

unless your 4* crafting lucis is not needed and even then not needed but it does help give you an edge on the crafts, so I doubt they will be needed in xpac but surely there will be some benefit to having them. maybe like relic to zodiac was... or then again maybe SE wants to level the playing field and so there will be no benefit.

basically if you don't want to chase the lucis tools, then don't.. but they are easy to get.

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Originally Posted by chidarake

lucis was easy to get, all you needed to do was craft 2000 or so green i55 items and trade for seals to get all the mats needed for every tool including gatherer,

I did it in 4 days or so, so yeah id say they were the easiest step even with all the crafting which in itself was easy just timely.

unless your 4* crafting lucis is not needed and even then not needed but it does help give you an edge on the crafts, so I doubt they will be needed in xpac but surely there will be some benefit to having them. maybe like relic to zodiac was... or then again maybe SE wants to level the playing field and so there will be no benefit.

basically if you don't want to chase the lucis tools, then don't.. but they are easy to get.

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Lucis is difficult in the same way that Zodiac is difficult. The hardest mechanic is motivating yourself to do the same tedious crap thousands of times.