Black Mages, point the way to darkness! (relic question )

Hello everyone (excuse the title XD) I was wondering what stats should I use on my relic weapon? :p Money is not a problem.

Full Determination and Spell Speed is what I believe is optimal.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Full Determination and Spell Speed is what I believe is optimal.

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And the most expensive

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Originally Posted by alphamax112

And the most expensive

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Yea lol. I jipped out a bit by placing 17 Accuracy in it.

My previous stat has accuracy in it too. But I changed it a few weeks ago to full SS+det ;)

Full ss, rest det

Ive put
23 Determination
33 Spell Speed
and 19 Critical hit
You may lose out on some speed, but you gain a higher crit rate. Which means more flare and fire 3 crits

Like the OP, I'm at the same cross point. I was told that the 'optimal' loadout would be 44 spell speed, 22 accuracy and 9 determination. Still curious though before spending any gil/alexandrite on what to consider.

My main stat is in SS which is a must for BLM imo then Crit and Det. I can say i'm satisfied and others seem to be too everytime I go in ST or WoD I get 5 coms or more. I put nothing in Accuracy.

Just wanted to update my post to say that gil is not a problem. I'm thinking of going 44 Spell speed and 31 Det, do you guys think that's a good way forward?

Spell speed/det is the best way to go.

I love the "crit is best cause more fire 3 and flare crits" yeah true, and it also leads to more aggro problems, if you're not careful, which means you can't possibly go all out on adds or similar, crit 3x Fire and Fire proc after them in row and have fun possibly being dead. And what use do you have of crit if you can't crit all the time, which means you just wasted a 2nd stat point on a stat you didn't possibly get any reward from.

Get higher spellspeed to go through your Fire rotation faster and get more determination to get overall increase on all your spells and have possibly no issues with aggro(crits have still a chance to occur)

Also. If you have somehow managed not to hear about the Puro stride's blm dmg calculator, go check that out, and for comparison on det+spsp vs crit and other stats, check the "e-peen" section.
It could be though that all the good blms with crit builds just aren't interested in posting their parses there and they'd be superior, or det+spsp build is the superior one as suggested by the calculator and "e-peen" section.

But yeah, based on these informations, I personally would pick det+spsp over anything else as stats to go to, including relic's stats. But that's just my opinion

Why put Crit/Spell Speed when you can farm for the Dreadwyrm Staff on the 31st, which has near-identical stats lol.

Full Det and Spell Speed is best.

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Originally Posted by AniCelestine

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What if I told you, I out DPS'd a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM's are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. And about the agrio thing. With great power comes great responsibility. The BLM should be smart about how her or she uses their flares. If the tank is competent, they will not lose agro.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Why put Crit/Spell Speed when you can farm for the Dreadwyrm Staff on the 31st, which has near-identical stats lol.

Full Det and Spell Speed is best.

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Exactly what I'm thinking about ;)
For now I'm going YOLO for SS/det. (still waiting for that damn Dreadwyrm Staff to drop xD)

Just go with:

Weapon DMG > INT > DET > Speed/Crit

Crit will even its usefullness out the more you get of it, spell speed is only useful to a certain degree as well - Example: Abandoning 30 crit which gives you around 1%+ of crit rate is not worth casting 0.01 seconds faster, if you're too fast you'll loose time in ice transition if you have to wait for ticks etc.
Det will increase your crit and speed values, b/c you get more base dmg which is increased by crits and speed - same for WD and INT - all stats below benefit from the higher ones.

Just one thing you should look out for, there is generally only two ways to make a good Novus build, or you'll loose out bonus points in the Lower stages:

44 Main stats - 31 offstats aka. 44 speed/crit 31 det - this will give you + 9 points offstat on zodiac (49/35)

or the cheap version which i went with:

36 crit 24 det 15 speed (or switch the speed and crit, whatever your gearset is lacking more) - this will give you +8 stats offstat on zodiac (40/27/16)

In the end, if you dont care about the money go fullstats - if you dont want to dump millions into your weapon like me, go with the second one so you dont loose out later

Anyways - gl with the future stages and the light grind

('-')/

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

What if I told you, I out DPS'd a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM's are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. And about the agrio thing. With great power comes great responsibility. The BLM should be smart about how her or she uses their flares. If the tank is competent, they will not lose agro.

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BLMs can't be compared to each other theoritically like that because of Firestarter and Thundercloud proc, even in dummy. In real fight, it becomes more and more complicated cos not everyone have to dodge or cover certain mechanics.
You should breakdown the parser values one by one -- assuming you both have same rotation and have to dodge same mechanics at the same time (which is almost never happen) -- you still have to count how many firestarter proc and thundercloud proc.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

What if I told you, I out DPS\\'d a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM\\'s are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. .

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Sorry but this sounds like you just made a duel of bad blms with poor rotations (hi thunder 3) which do not gain any benefit from SSp.

Plus nexus is in no way to be considered as end game gear now.

At i125 (130 mixed with 110 penta and zeta) and with no less than 643 SSP (food on) i really doubt any DET build would out dps me unless i decide to really suck .

This has been verified in a lot of fights anyways. As long as you use B3 T1 B with enough base SSP then going full SSp is the best. Dont spread biaised information based on "nexus" end game builds please.

if you re a B3 T1 B user with more then 550 SSP, each new SSP point will weight 0.282 int or something whereas DET caps at 0.265 and CRT at 0.238. Of course this is with the proper rotation, as you will never fully benefit from SSP with crappy T3 in your UI phase.

in terms of gameplay / feeling, once you re used to a 2.21 or lower GCD there is absolutely no way you would like to go back to a low SSP build .

I tried a 385 DET & 450 SSp thing once. In a classical T9 fight i did lost a lot of dps due to interrupted casts i could have been able to finish with a lower GCD (2.4 Vs 2.2 does make a HUGE difference and even more if Selene is on your side)

For the OP :

go with any build that enables you to reach a 2.25GCD at least , with 15%ish CRT and the T11 ACC cap w/o any ACC food. Then reach 300 DET for the base damage and 6000 hp.
Master the B3 T1 B rotation as well as tricks such as fire weaving , skating, scathe while dodging and pre casting at 90% etc. You should be golden

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

What if I told you, I out DPS'd a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM's are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. And about the agrio thing. With great power comes great responsibility. The BLM should be smart about how her or she uses their flares. If the tank is competent, they will not lose agro.

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I'm sorry but your comment is full of it. How many Firestarter and Thundercloud did you both have? How long was the encounter? What instance are you speaking of?

I'm stooopid. Did not see the "not" in the OP's post.

Well after your help I've gotten 71/75 and I've gone full spell speed and 27 determination but I've ran into a little bit of a gil problem U_U 400k per determination IV was not what I was expecting lol but I heard that you can re-meld the relic later so if I filled the last 4 slots with crit could I go back take the crit out and re-meld to full determination without losing all the determination that I already have on the relic?

You will be able to do that. you will remove 4 crits and recover 4 free spots. Your détermination wont be removed. i did it even at the zeta stage

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Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich

You will be able to do that. you will remove 4 crits and recover 4 free spots. Your détermination wont be removed. i did it even at the zeta stage

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OK! Thanks alot you guys. :D Next stop light farm!

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

OK! Thanks alot you guys. :D Next stop light farm!

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Good luck with that snoozefest. Just be glad they nerfed it. I did two relics before they changed it so it wasn't a huge grind. Good times.

Just curious have any of you went with a crit and spell speed build?
I said i would never do a full Relic ever again... and here i am, lol
Also am going to go ss and det on my Relic
And that comment about abundance of ss on a weapon is a waste... that would be very wrong

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Originally Posted by Maero

Just curious have any of you went with a crit and spell speed build?
I said i would never do a full Relic ever again... and here i am, lol
Also am going to go ss and det on my Relic
And that comment about abundance of ss on a weapon is a waste... that would be very wrong

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A lot of people wouldn't place full Crit and Spell Speed on the Lilith Rod because the Dreadwyrm Staff has similar stats, being full Crit and Spell Speed. Yes, that would involve actually having to get together a competent group of players and learn/clear the fight till you have it on farm, but in comparison, if I spent 1/10th of the amount of time I used on my Zeta, finding a static, I'd have it on farm by now.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Just curious have any of you went with a crit and spell speed build?
I said i would never do a full Relic ever again... and here i am, lol
Also am going to go ss and det on my Relic
And that comment about abundance of ss on a weapon is a waste... that would be very wrong

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I did but I sorta wish I had put Det instead of Crit. It still serves me well and I still hit 500+ DPS for T10 and hover around there for 11, 12 and 13. Its not like I could have predicted that FCOB weapon was going to have Crit and SS way back when Novus was introduced and even if I had I probably still would have went Crit/SS. Stacking Det instead wouldn't have made a massive difference either way.

^ Good to know thanks for your reply.
DetIV is still crazy expensive last time i checked on Leviathan so i will see when i get to that point
That Lilith rod sure is purty :D

I've optimized my weapon to fit the race I play (I changed from highlander to midlander hyur) as well as party composition - having a sch in the party gives me the bare minimum of 251 piety for AOE fun.

My Zeta goes like this:
53 SS
28 Det
1 Pie
8 Crit

I had been contemplating about how to meld my relic when I've reached Novus phase. It's interesting to see the comments posted here and most suggest go with full DET and SS route. I had been debating whether to add CRT initially but I have mixed feelings now. Is there a significant difference with SS over CRT?

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Originally Posted by Franchesca

Is there a significant difference with SS over CRT?

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Here's a question: Would you like to cast things faster and more reliably while moving during mechanics/aoe heading your way, or rely on RNJesus to give you those big numbers? Now if you're comparing DET vs Crit, would you like to have more "crappy" int, or (again) pray to RNJesus?

Spell Speed 1st and foremost is the most important stat, secondary stat can be either crit or det, anything else really is at the players choice but personally i would not add another stat like acc for example.
Crit is more beneficial to other classes like Ninja or Bard as example but for weapon i would go crit/det, if you want more crit that is were gear can come into play