Master 2 tokens with Lucis tools

I decided to get lucis tools before 4* masterbooks and this process practically completed - have 6/8 and maths for the rest 2.

Now i also started to check masterbook token rotations and found out that with my 478 crship i am unable to use recommended in most guides finisher - PbP*2 + RS*2 under ingen 2 + CS2. Simulator shows that craft ends on the second RS.

Variants...
- Use pbp+rs finisher w/o cs2 and get 1 more step for HT. Seems to be risky - placing 2 non 100% success operations to the end w/o any chance to reclaim
- use pbp*2 rs*2 w/o ingen 2 + cs2 under ingen2 ... Maybe. It could be better to remove ingen 2, but even with fc buff cs2 will not reach the end w/o ingen buff.

Anybody tried to craft tokens with lucis tools? Which variant of finisher is better? One of these two or there ara some others?

I used only Artisan's tools to craft the HQ items for my masterbooks, and used the waste NQ's to purchase Supra Tools, so I've never crafted these items using Lucis. However, from what you wrote, it sounds like your problem might be easy to solve simply by dumping Ingenuity II altogether. If PbP*2 + RS*2 under ingen 2 will finish the synth, then most likely PbP*2 + RS*2 WITHOUT ingen 2 + CS2 will do the job and finish with guaranteed safety at the cost of just 10 more durability. The increase granted to RS by Ingen II is so abyssmally pitiful that if PbP*2 + RS*2 WILL finish the synth with it and WON'T without it, then a single CS2 should be more than powerful enough to make up the difference.

Take Ingen II out of your cross class skills list and replace it with Rumination. That way, if you get up to Byregot's Blessing and don't get the Good or Excellent you need, it doesn't matter how much CP you have left - pop Rumination, and you have enough to Reclaim.

Ffxivcrafter.com
Craftsmanship 478
Pbp pbp ingen2 rs rs = 801/801
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 788/801
Pbp pbp rs rs ingen2 cs2 = 807/801

Crship 488 (fc buff)
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 793/801

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Using progress skills w/o ingens seems to be possible wit fully melded offhands only
Crship 495
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 800/801
Crship 505 (fc buff)
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 805/801

I don't know if you realize this or not, but you'll get burned using crafting simulators since they aren't yet accurate for 3 and 4 star recipes, unless there was a massive update in the last couple weeks.

Anyways, you're complicating, very much so. You're over thinking a very easy craft pbp pbp rs rs cs2 cs2. You should never sacrifice cp or control for more craftmanship. The sweet spot is 453 which isn't even needed for these, the next one after that is 5xx (figure it out yourself if you want to know) :)

Why didn't i tell you which is better? Because knowing ffxivcrafter, none of those stats are accurate. In any case, you should NEVER meld for token items unless you are prepared to remeld later on.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrZ

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Nah, ffxivcrafter is quite accurate.. It is sometimes off by 1 or 2, but that won't be a problem as long as you're not playing with the bare minimum craftsmanship etc.

lokyst on the other hand, I've noticed their 3-4 star synthesis calculation is way off and unreliable. It is nice for running the simulator though to see which rotation is superior with conditions factored in. (for lower lvl crafts)

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

Nah, ffxivcrafter is quite accurate.. It is sometimes off by 1 or 2, but that won't be a problem as long as you're not playing with the bare minimum craftsmanship etc.

lokyst on the other hand, I've noticed their 3-4 star synthesis calculation is way off and unreliable. It is nice for running the simulator though to see which rotation is superior with conditions factored in. (for lower lvl crafts)

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Which is always what you want to work with when it comes to craftsmanship, the bare minimum to hit the sweet spot. 4 star sweet spot is 453, anything less isn't enough and anything more is a waste. Unless you manage to jump to the 5xx sweet spot. Unless you are saving a step, having more craftsmanship than the sweet spot is redundant at best because craftsmanship is a stat that's really all or nothing.

So both crafter and lokyst will burn you when you're trying to figure out the ideal craftsmanship for a tier of crafting because that 1 or 2 is a lot, which was my point in the first place.

Crship 495
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 800/801

Case and point, the OP's own post.

P.S. After you have your lucis, you should be above 453 anyways and can focus on nothing but CP and Control melds.

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Originally Posted by Alx789

Ffxivcrafter.com
Craftsmanship 478
Pbp pbp ingen2 rs rs = 801/801
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 788/801
Pbp pbp rs rs ingen2 cs2 = 807/801

Crship 488 (fc buff)
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 793/801

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Using progress skills w/o ingens seems to be possible wit fully melded offhands only
Crship 495
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 800/801
Crship 505 (fc buff)
Pbp pbp rs rs cs2 = 805/801

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From the list, I'd go with PbP PbP RS RS start and Ingen 2 CS 2 finisher.
807/801 seems sufficient enough accounting for small errors in the simulator to get you a complete synthesis.
Also, the Ingen 2 will help with the Byregots slightly.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

From the list, I'd go with PbP PbP RS RS start and Ingen 2 CS 2 finisher.
807/801 seems sufficient enough accounting for small errors in the simulator to get you a complete synthesis.
Also, the Ingen 2 will help with the Byregots slightly.

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I decided to do so. I see on lucis tokens that rotation with bb innow and 3 cs2 under ingen 2 is a little better than rotation with rs + 2 cs2 progress. And i think it's due to byregot under ingen 2, so, this variant seems to be a little better than standard one.

I put off the Master II turn-ins for most of my crafting jobs. Having the Lucis main hand and all fully melded gear makes this MUCH easier. My stats are Craftsmanship 493, Control 426, CP 398 (with HQ Bouillbaise). If you also use the +10 craftsmanship FC buff, you can complete the progression with 2 PxP, 2 RS and 1 CSII (no need for Ingenuity II). 5 Step progress allowed me to create a rotation with 12 HT opportunities (assuming 2 ToT - 3 ToT to use Innovation bait for Byregots).

I did my BSM with zero FCIII loss and my CRP with 6 FCIII loss ( 4 of which due to failed reclaim).

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

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You can still achieve those kind of results without lucis because you have 5 nqs you'll use for supra anyway... So you can test your luck with 30-60%ish crafts instead of reclaiming those..

Once you no longer have a need for supra, you basically have to reclaim anything below 40-50% and ideally 70% and even then RNG could really mess with you. Honestly, the Manual 2 tokens are all about baiting Byregots the way I see it.. I think it's designed to be a practice for Byregots baiting and the whole "finisher"

From what you're saying though, if you got 3 hq in a row without any losses, sounds like you really know what you're doing.. It's not the tools that improved, I'd say it's your knowledge of the rotation..

I've got both of my latest tokens without losing a single FC3 and even only reclaimed once throughout the entire thing... The one before that I lost 2 FC3s.. Before that I lost I think close to 10 FC3s on WVR.. So from my point of view, it's all about improving your crafting rotations as you go.

Still thinking how to get bonus from lucis tools
Before i thought do modify this one -
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ecipie_book_2/

but decided to try this rotation
http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbf1K
Bad things
- Needs 4 ToTs to be finished ( prev rotation needs 3)
- Ends by 2 rs (first fail may be reclaimed, second - no)
- crship 474 may not be enough(lucis, full melds, unmelded offhands), so fc buff will be needed to be safe
Good things
- Uses 13ht (>12) and has more chances for iq11
- Doesn't use cs2 it can be replaced by rumination
- hits byregot under ingen 2 + sh2 - it becomes safe and more powerful ~ 79%hq under iq11 and normal condition
- has 1 guaranteed place to bait good condition for byregot