How do I put attribute points for SCH & SMN?

Hello,

I'm new to Arcanist. I just switch to play to Arcanist to find some new airs. Currently I'm at level 22, and at first I want to go with SMN since I need more DPS class beside my BRD (I want to get BLM too).

But also, it hit another wall. I want to get my SCH at the same time! And the attribute points give me a little bit confuse because I don't know how to spare the points for both of them.

Currently I put all my points into Intelligent. Should I share half of those points to Mind? Or put them all to Int, and when I play SCH I choose to Cleric Stance?

Thank you so much for reading this and sharing your advices. :D

Well pick one to do and use cleric stance do use other. Other then that just gear up for that job

Actually, that's not possible. Cleric Stance would reduce healing and increase magic power when active. Not to mention that Scholars don't get int on their gear and Summoners don't get Mind on their gear. The difference is massive. A scholar in Cleric Stance would have something like 200 mind. Summoner's can't even use Cleric's Stance, so let's not even talk about that.

What you COULD do is stockpile on those stat-reset items. They're only 250 Company Seals nowadays. That is, if you can be bothered to.

Stack on the hymns to reset your stats and swap on demand. 30 MND when playing SCH, 30 INT when playing SMN.

Those stat-reset hymns used to be 10k seals pop so it was a pain in the ass, but as they are 250 seals now, you get 40 of those items for the price of one, if going by the past rate. Even if you swap between SCH and SMN often, 250 seals per swap is not a lot at all.

If for some reason you still don't like the idea - go full INT. Won't cripple your SCH gameplay as much as not getting max DPS on a SMN via having MND points would gimp you.

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Originally Posted by godwin

Well pick one to do and use cleric stance do use other. Other then that just gear up for that job

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Please don't do this. If CS ONLY switched INT and MND, then fine but it specifically reduces your healing as well.

Honestly I just split the stat into two. I don't play SMN at all though so I could probably put some more MND oomph, but... I like DPSing as scholar.

As long as you're not trying to beat the final coil, any setup is fine. The ultimate thing you want to improve is your weapon, as Weapon Damage outweighs every single stat in the game. You can be a very decent SCH with 30points in INT (remember, for healers, skill > gear), as well as a good SMN with 30points in MND.
If you cant choose, go for MND, it will increase your DPS in SCH in Cleric Stance.

i did 15/15
i should just put all 30 in mind
i dont like playing summoner

worth noting that due to the way spells scale it is much more important to have 30 int on smn than 30 mnd on sch (healing spells actually do not scale v well, so you lose only a little hps) so if you dont wanna buy oodles of hymns and you expect to play both, take int.

After having my 30 points sitting in VIT for a while now, too lazy to throw them back into MND. I'd say throw them in INT as a Sch you probably won't notice the 30 less MND when you are fully geared.

Just arrived at level 47 last night with my Scholar (and Summoner). When I was an Arcanist I put my points into Intellect. After becoming Scholar my points went to Mind. I play Scholar as the main of the two. And as a healer, for me it's a nobrainer. Mind all the way :) So far I kept the points in Intellect which I put in back when I was an Arcanist.

If you use SCH more then all in MND, if you use SMN more then all in INT. If you want to use both, then us the Keeper Hymn (from GC for 250 seals each) and change the points to the appropriate stat for the class you are about to use.

And whatever you do, do not listen to the advice of people who say INT on SCH as it doesnt matter, if you are a SCH, then you are a healer and MND is your primary stat. If you decide to DPS whilst healing, you use clerics stance which makes the 30 points in INT absolutely obsolete. (Source: end game SCH, T13).

They meant that SMN with 30 less INT is way worse at their role than a SCH with 30 less MND.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

They meant that SMN with 30 less INT is way worse at their role than a SCH with 30 less MND.

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First of all i assume you are responding to me.

If you are not then disregard this.

If i was referring directly to someone on this thread, i would have quoted them in my answer. However, i have not. What i was doing is referring to the general advice that a lot of misinformed people give about putting all bonus points on SCH into INT as it doesnt matter. This advice is common enough to give the OP the advice that i have.

And i still stand by it. If anyone advises you to put all bonus points into INT if you main SCH, then they are wrong.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Please don't do this. If CS ONLY switched INT and MND, then fine but it specifically reduces your healing as well.

Honestly I just split the stat into two. I don't play SMN at all though so I could probably put some more MND oomph, but... I like DPSing as scholar.

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If you like DPSing as a Scholar and you don't play SMN, you should go 30 mind, what's the doubt?

I actually did the caclulations for this, for the first 30 points at least. I'll post my response from another thread here, since more than one person has asked this question.

POST FOR PREVIOUS THREAD.

Actually, I tested this out to figure out where the points should be placed; the first 30 anyway. FYI I main as a Scholar/Summoner. Anyway the points should go into Intelligence, not Mind, if you plan on playing both. If you plan on only being a Scholar then by all means place them in mind. The reason for this is when all 30 points are placed in intelligence you do an additional 13-20 points of damage per tick, not counting crits, which totals about an additional 130-200 points of damage per DoT, which is an additional 390-600 points of damage without any buffs.

However, if you place the points in mind you only do about an additional 40-65 points of healing, again without crits or buffs. It's easy to see that the additional damage greatly outways the additional healing. Now I will say that the gear someone has equiped will alter these numbers a bit. Note that my two jobs are on par with one another, same ilevel equipment and everything so it's not like my Summoner was i110 but my Scholar was i95, they were both i112 at the time.

I hope this helps you a bit, while I cannot say that this point allocation will continue as it is now, I can say with certainty that until Heavensward is released Intelligence is the way to go.

Don't neglect the effect of MND on SCH damage, however.

If I played both jobs more equally, I'd just carry more Hymns around since they're dirt-cheap. I would want my SCH to be able to have both the best possible healing + damage and my SMN to be able to have the best possible damage at any given time.