I bought game on both PC & PS4, now I buy expansion on both too ?!!

Hello Everyone

So I'm really upset knowing that we have to buy the expansion twice same as we did with the game... it's really unfair, you want each costumer to pay twice each time /sigh

it's not just me, my friends too, and some of us travel a lot and have PC in place and PS4 in another place.

I guess some of us just forced to pay twice... Thank You

You're actually surprised by this? Of course you have to pay for each platform, that was obvious.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

You're actually surprised by this? Of course you have to pay for each platform, that was obvious.

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Nothing more to say, exactly this.

Doesn't surprise me, I actually took this stance in other threads where people told me I would be wrong... hmm guess I was right after all.

Unfortunately not too surprising, at least they announced it before pre-orders were officially made available.

Why would I pay for each, I pay for my one and only account twice ? it's not two accounts.. when you think about it, it's not fair but money is all that matters I guess.

Complain that to Sony, I guess.

yeah I recall there's a fee on SE for putting it on the store etc

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

You're actually surprised by this? Of course you have to pay for each platform, that was obvious.

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Actually I am, when I bought it twice before, I at least got two free months out of it. What do I get now? This is a major disappointenment, I guess I won't be getting that CE edition then...

How exactly is this Sony's fault? It on the store/system regardless of PC users cause some people only play on their console and not like the PC/PS prices are different.

Think of it this way if you buy a game for ps4 you don't automatically get it for xbone

As the above a part of the issue is console requirements/licensing. Which is set up to be concerned about the money, not really such a thing as it's just an update (indie contracts differ on Sony but they still get to review and approve and if you charge they'll want a cut, last I heard Xbox could even force you to charge for free dlc)

Personally, I expected this. It would have been nice, yes, if they had allowed one license to be used for multiple services, but unfortunately they are treating this as a new "game" and as such are charging/licensing accordingly. At least you only have to buy the CE for one system and can use the Standard edition on the other and still get all the CE goodies on both.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

As the above a part of the issue is console requirements/licensing. Which is set up to be concerned about the money, not really such a thing as it's just an update (indie contracts differ on Sony but they still get to review and approve and if you charge they'll want a cut, last I heard Xbox could even force you to charge for free dlc)

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Xbox charges for each update a dev makes after the first, regardless of what/how much they're adding in the update. They do it to try and prevent devs from uploading broken patches, but it can also prevent a dev from fixing a patch that already broke your game (the whole Fez debacle). I don't know what Sony's update policy is for devs.

I suspect it's straight forward distribution issues. Think of it this way. When you download a game on your playstation, where are you getting it from? If Sony isn't getting a cut from the sales of the game why would they have any interest in providing you access to the game?

In this regard, you can see a situation where SE would really have little say in the matter. Having a PC version wouldn't give you access to a playstation version even if the PC version came directly from SE.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Having a PC version wouldn't give you access to a playstation version even if the PC version came directly from SE.

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This. My suggestion to is to pick a console you prefer and stick to it, so you only have to purchase the expansion once -IF you don't want to pay more than once.

Your purchase of the expansion is for the content/software of that platform, even though on the same account. Thus you can upgrade your PS4 version to the expansion and play in the new areas and the like, and you can still play 2.0 on your PC with your character, but you just wont have all of the expansion stuffs - until you purchase the expansion for the PC as well.

Another option would be to get a PSP and gamestream from your PS4 or get an NVIDIA shield or something similar and stream the game from your PC - so you don't have to have to buy 2 separate expansion, but still have the flexibility you need when you are on the go, or want to move to a different room.

Heavensward must be installed on the client to access the areas that will be added in Heavensward. If you are planning to log back in on a client that doesn't have Heavensward installed, make sure to log out in an FFXIV: ARR area.

This interests me most. It doesn't say you necessarily have to have BOUGHT it, just that you need to have it installed.

This mgiht be where torrents or friends with the other version of the game come in handy. I'll bet that you can buy the PS4 version, and just install the PC version and your Service Account should have access to all the patch areas. (Basically using the code from the PS4 version to make yours a 'Blue skies of Ishgard' account.)

I am just wondering if there are 2 licenses required to play on both ps4 and PC. They said you have to have both copies to be able to install on both platforms which makes perfect since, but will the licenses be required for both as well.

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Heavensward must be installed on the client to access the areas that will be added in Heavensward. If you are planning to log back in on a client that doesn't have Heavensward installed, make sure to log out in an FFXIV: ARR area.

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My wife and I are always switching between PS4 and PC so I don't want to have to purchase 4 copies of the expansion each time. I will purchase one physical PC copy and one physical PS4 copy and hope that they are just talking about installs and that there isn't actual different key codes for the different clients like we had for the main FFXIV: ARR game. If I am wrong, then oh well and I will just suck it up.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Heavensward must be installed on the client to access the areas that will be added in Heavensward. If you are planning to log back in on a client that doesn't have Heavensward installed, make sure to log out in an FFXIV: ARR area.

This interests me most. It doesn't say you necessarily have to have BOUGHT it, just that you need to have it installed.

This mgiht be where torrents or friends with the other version of the game come in handy. I'll bet that you can buy the PS4 version, and just install the PC version and your Service Account should have access to all the patch areas. (Basically using the code from the PS4 version to make yours a 'Blue skies of Ishgard' account.)

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I see we had similar thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Paradedc

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I see we had similar thoughts.

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Humerously I was going to edit in a post mentioning you as well. :P

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Heavensward must be installed on the client to access the areas that will be added in Heavensward. If you are planning to log back in on a client that doesn't have Heavensward installed, make sure to log out in an FFXIV: ARR area.

This interests me most. It doesn't say you necessarily have to have BOUGHT it, just that you need to have it installed.

This mgiht be where torrents or friends with the other version of the game come in handy. I'll bet that you can buy the PS4 version, and just install the PC version and your Service Account should have access to all the patch areas. (Basically using the code from the PS4 version to make yours a 'Blue skies of Ishgard' account.)

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Since the base game requires a separate Service Account in the Mog Station, I'd expect this to be the same thing; a separate Service Account for both versions as if you were buying two different games. You wouldn't be able to play either the PS4 or PC version without first registering the Service Account in the Mog Station, which requires the license code, so there isn't really any way to cheat it with a torrent or a second-hand disc. What I post below counters this, so there may be ways around this, but I don't really want to be discussing matters of pirating the game.

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Originally Posted by Paradedc

I am just wondering if there are 2 licenses required to play on both ps4 and PC. They said you have to have both copies to be able to install on both platforms which makes perfect since, but will the licenses be required for both as well.

My wife and I are always switching between PS4 and PC so I don't want to have to purchase 4 copies of the expansion each time. I will purchase one physical PC copy and one physical PS4 copy and hope that they are just talking about installs and that there isn't actual different key codes for the different clients like we had for the main FFXIV: ARR game. If I am wrong, then oh well and I will just suck it up.

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You only had to buy two copies, one each, for the base game right? Since they're treating Heavensward the same as the base game, it should be the same setup; one copy each and you both can play on either.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Heavensward must be installed on the client to access the areas that will be added in Heavensward. If you are planning to log back in on a client that doesn't have Heavensward installed, make sure to log out in an FFXIV: ARR area.

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What happens if your an Au Ra. Are you not able to play that character on the other system if you didn't buy both? Or is the Au Ra not considered part of the expansion?

That's a pretty normal thing man...Just because you bought some DLC for GTA5 on your XBox1 does not mean you get it on your PS4 also...

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Originally Posted by dark0past

Hello Everyone

So I'm really upset knowing that we have to buy the expansion twice same as we did with the game... it's really unfair, you want each costumer to pay twice each time /sigh

it's not just me, my friends too, and some of us travel a lot and have PC in place and PS4 in another place.

I guess some of us just forced to pay twice... Thank You

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Support the developer of game you like, you dont seem to be poor person you got two systems to play you can afford propably two copies, dont be miser.

Why are you /forced/ to pay twice? Is someone holding a gun to your head and won't stop unless you buy this on both platforms?

I'd call the cops.

OP logic:

I bought GTA 5 on PC, therefore i should be allowed to obtain free copies for PS4 and XBOX1.

Little disheartened that people actually believed they would only have to purchase the game once. I can't reason why they'd believe that.

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Originally Posted by KaedrianLiang

OP logic:

I bought GTA 5 on PC, therefore i should be allowed to obtain free copies for PS4 and XBOX1.

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common sense is missing from the people whinging about having to buy 2 copies lol

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Originally Posted by Mrfox0707

That's a pretty normal thing man...Just because you bought some DLC for GTA5 on your XBox1 does not mean you get it on your PS4 also...

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you can't compare that to this, Xbox and PS4 are different with different accounts, but here I'm using one account one character one save data on the same server.... it's stupid and unfair

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Originally Posted by Mission

What happens if your an Au Ra. Are you not able to play that character on the other system if you didn't buy both? Or is the Au Ra not considered part of the expansion?

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Au Ra are being introduced with but not likely actually part of the expansion. otherwise nobody else would be able to see your character in ARR areas that have yet to buy the expansion.

Scenario: You are PC player, you buy expansion for pc.

You go to a friend's house, they are a PS4 player and have expansion for PS4.

Can you log onto your character account via their PS4?

Guessing no

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even if subtract expansion from the equation entirely, I don't believe you can login via console if windows is the only platform registered to your account. I wasn't able to access free trial on ps4 after entering my existing account info

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on the positive: dualboxers don't need buy 2 hardcopies of the game. There is your solution. I won't say anything more.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

Au Ra are being introduced with but not likely actually part of the expansion. otherwise nobody else would be able to see your character in ARR areas that have yet to buy the expansion.

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The expansion data will be downloaded to everyone. You just need the expansion purchased to have access the new areas and quests and such. In this way you can see the Au Ra and new armor on people.

I am disappoint.

I bought gas in my first car and now that I bought a new car I have to buy gas for that too?! WTF is that? I thought I'd get free upgrades for life on that!

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

The expansion data will be downloaded to everyone. You just need the expansion purchased to have access the new areas and quests and such. In this way you can see the Au Ra and new armor on people.

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still 99% certain you will be able to become Au Ra without buying the expansion.

History with expansions on FFXI. Brought to you by Nestama.

Some years back, I bought FFXI for the PC on Steam. It came with all expansions and the Abyssea add-ons (before Adoulin). Some time throughout the year, my laptop decided it didn't want to live on this planet, so I decided to buy FFXI for the X360. The disc I bought only came with expansions leading to ToAU (did not need the code), which meant I could NOT access Wings of the Goddess zones, nor the Abyssea zones, as they were a part of that expansion. So I bought the WotG expansion from eBay and was set to play the game (again, did not need the code, as everything was already registered to my account). Some time later, Adoulin comes out and I buy it for the X360. A year passes and I finally get myself a PC that can handle games. Although I have not re-downloaded FFXI from my Steam account yet, I already know I will need to buy Adoulin for the PC just to access the new zones (and Jobs).

Although I did not need the codes for WotG to play on the 360 (PS2, X360 and PC are all linked to the same SE account), I still needed the disc to install the data. Likewise for when I buy Adoulin for the PC. Won't need the code, but WILL need the install data.

tl;dr: Nothing in this world is free. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Clarkamite

I bought gas in my first car and now that I bought a new car I have to buy gas for that too?! WTF is that? I thought I'd get free upgrades for life on that!

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that's really stupid example

you should say "I bought gas to drive my car on 1st street, do I have to buy gas again to drive on 2nd street ?"

and people keep BSing us because they only play on one device, for me I need to go home every weekend and it's not possible for me to carry my whole PC gaming set up to home every week, so I use the same account my account to play the same game with the same save date on the same server and same everything, not fair to pay again... I'm not new costumer nor I'm making new account!

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Originally Posted by dark0past

that's really stupid example

you should say "I bought gas to drive my car on 1st street, do I have to buy gas again to drive on 2nd street ?"

and people keep BSing us because they only play on one device, for me I need to go home every weekend and it's not possible for me to carry my whole PC gaming set up to home every week, so I use the same account my account to play the same game with the same save date on the same server and same everything, not fair to pay again... I'm not new costumer nor I'm making new account!

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There are a lot of examples that currently exist for this issue.


You buy an app on Android. To use the same app on iOS, you have to buy the app again.
You buy a DLC for a game on PC. You also have to buy the DLC on PSN.

No, it's not silly to expect to pay for different platforms. Sony, Apple, or whatever company out there deserves to get some money for those that want to buy games or some software that requires their platform. You expect them to just earn money from console sales?

Just slow down a bit and think why console and platform developers require people to buy software specifically for their platform. You think Google is going to be happy if someone bought an app from Apple store and get to use it on Android phones and only Apple received money for it?

Try starting a business and see how you react if your consumers can take advantage of your product while the profits go to your competitors. Maybe then you will understand the rationale.

If SE owned PS4 and Windows and required people to buy the game for both platforms then it's unfair.

And don't use that "you only play on one platform" crap as an excuse.

Although I don't do it for FF14, I have played multiple games and bought DLCs on different platforms and I see no reason to get mad that I have to buy it for different platforms. Sure this game is owned by SE. However, companies don't exist by themselves. They have to pay many other companies to have access to different things.

Yes.. It's been like that on FFXI, Diabolo III, HD remakes of Halo, Fallout, Mine Craft, Skyrim and pretty much every ting from ElderScrolls have always been like that when it comes to multy platform. You're buying it for the platform. However in the sense of Online MMO's your character data is shared so long as the platforms are interconnected. Like FFXI was on PC, PS3(minor), PS2, 360 and FFXIV is on PC, PS3, PS4, and soon Apple. Aside from that you might get away with buying 1 PC software package and installing it on several PC's. As long as the accounts used are valid, all you'ld be doing then is paying for more than one account or character.

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Originally Posted by Clarkamite

I bought gas in my first car and now that I bought a new car I have to buy gas for that too?! WTF is that? I thought I'd get free upgrades for life on that!

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HAHA! Perfect analogy!

But really guys, just because you bought the original game on two systems doesn't entitle you to the expansions for free on 1 or the other...

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Originally Posted by dark0past

and people keep BSing us because they only play on one device, for me I need to go home every weekend and it's not possible for me to carry my whole PC gaming set up to home every week, so I use the same account my account to play the same game with the same save date on the same server and same everything, not fair to pay again... I'm not new costumer nor I'm making new account!

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Boo freaking hoo. Did you not read what I wrote above your post? Nothing in this world is free. Deal with it. You are not entitled to a free or discounted copy of Heavensward. No one is.

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

However in the sense of Online MMO's your character data is shared so long as the platforms are interconnected. Like FFXI was on PC, PS3(minor), PS2, 360 and FFXIV is on PC, PS3, PS4, and soon Apple. Aside from that you might get away with buying 1 PC software package and installing it on several PC's. As long as the accounts used are valid, all you'ld be doing then is paying for more than one account or character.

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Of course here in XIV you have to register and connect your PS3/PS4 and PC license. For XIV you are literally buying it for that platform, SE just lets you connect the two if you want. If you don't connect them, your PS and PC accounts are completely separate which means no sharing of character data etc. Granted I don't know many MMOs other than ESO and XI and XIV that are cross platform. And in ESO console and pc are separated.