I mean, Keyboard/Mouse is so great and perfect at everything, y'know? It just feels so much more fluid to me and easier to use. Reaction times are so much quicker, navigating menus is a breeze, socializing with friends is 50000% simpler, but while leveling up I noticed something...
Hand-over quests with a controller is the best thing since sliced bread.
Decisions, decisions, my friends...
Ask yourself: How often do you hand over a quest? And how many time to you spend with menus, talking to friends, reacting to certain things...? I've ever only played with mouse&keyboard so I cant really jusge about controller... but if you're only reason are quests to turn in... phew... its not as if this game would be about turning in quests all the time in the end...
Don't have any controller hand in exp but what's so different then just right clicking the faded item your suppose to trade in and then clicking the item that appears?
Having played with both, I perfer keyboard and mouse hand over fist.
That having been said, using a controller is intuitive, straight forward, easy and quick. There is no detriment outside of socialization with the controller taken a little time to adjust.
Oh, and they altered quest handins with the keyboard and mouse, right click the slot for the quest hand in, it'll pop up the item that goes there.
Personally I hate keyboard/mouse. I mean, I DO play on laptop so I must plug in my mouse, however I also must plug in my controller so it's no big deal.
Personally I just find fighting, movement... pretty much everything except precise targeting and chatting much more easier with a controller. It's really down to your own personal style.
At the moment I even really have more of a hybrid set-up...much of my HUD I control with my touchpad however I actually play the game with my controller. (And, obviously, I chat with my keyboard.)
While I do think the targeting could use a bit of....adjustments... it's not enough to make me switch back to using only keyboard/mouse. If I'm really in a pinch and for some reason the controller has wigged out and won't give me my target I need, I just reach over and mouse select it like a lazy bum. Whatever.
For me, it depends entirely on what class I'm playing. As a Scholar, I love keyboard - more space on toolbars to have everything at my fingertips. For some of the dps DoW classes, I love controllers - rotations are a lot easier, and the movement is a lot more fluid for me there so I don't get camera screwed as often
I started using controller just for fishing (vibrating controller while i stream a movie, hit hook/recast macro w/o having to flip back to ff14) Then started botany/miner with controller (kick back n recline)
Evantually moved into DoW/DoM with controller when I found the L+R trigger's 3rd accessible crossbar in character config (ie: hold left trigger, keep holding it and then hold right trigger as well to access a 3rd crossbar)
with a toggle for crossbars 1 and 2, plus the L+R triggers to access 3rd crossbar, felt i had as much keybind options as keyboard. just when bored I started laying actions down on the crossbars for jobs
I started to find some really interesting crossbar layouts that were a lot of fun, made me revisit a lot of classes i don't use as much anymore
Even my Warrior now, really liking it's crossbar layout.
Target cycling can be harder with controller imo, but it isn't an issue if ya manipulate the camera properly (tabbing only tabs through enemies visible on screen)
also, if holding down one of the trigger buttons and ya press one of the bumper buttons, that works the same as tabbing (and is a lot easier than using the dpad, becuase it lets you keep your thumbs on the joysticks).
tl;dr : the longer i use controller the more intuitive it becomes,
and my mouse is never far from my hand should i need it
When handing in some quests, with one item... I just spam the 0/Ins (zero/insert) key on the keypad.
I have a PS4 - but I'm terrible with the controller, so it's used for mainly gathering/fishing.
Otherwise, for now, my PS4 is a paperweight. :(
I played a char up to 50 on pc, then bought a ps4 for destiny and decided to give ffxiv a chance on ps4. when comparing the 2 i think they both have strengths and weaknesses (usb keyboard for ps4 is an absolute must!) i prefer using the ps4 controller to play the game. (i also have a xbox 360 controller for pc, didn't care for it much).
that said, i would suggest using both for an extended time, a quick chance here and there isn't going to leave a lasting impression on most people.
when i found out about this feature, playing jobs with a bunch of different abilities was much easier. I put cooldowns on the secondary crossbar and a quick 2 button change and i have access to 32 buttons not just the 16 on one crossbar.Quote:
with a toggle for crossbars 1 and 2, plus the L+R triggers to access 3rd crossbar, felt i had as much keybind options as keyboard. just when bored I started laying actions down on the crossbars for jobs
Pro tip for turn in quests with Mouse/KB - Right click the empty slot for turn in and every copy of the item you have pops up in a convenient little drop-down menu.
Things you can't do nearly as easily with Controller.
-Micromanage placement of pets
-Heal alliance members (if there is a way, it's much more convoluted)
-Aim Caster LB.
-Aim things like cannons.
-Reaction times slowed on healer (Debatable if you have an amazing hotbar setup or great macros.)
Things you can do -
Sit on the couch.
A controller method that helps with placing ground markers/Aoe (ie caster lb, placing pet, sacred prism, shadowflare etc) is, like target cycling, manipulating the camera correctly.
The placement crosshair always appears in the center of the screen. So just aim the camera to where-ever you want the marker to be at the center of the screen.
Sacred prism for example. Before I use it I swing the camera so it's looking straight down on me, >prism will be placed right under me. I don't have to waste any time trying to place it. Just click click boom
t9 divebomb waymarkers on the other hand would be harder to place i imagine.
I personally use a controller. The layout feels more familiar to me, and keeps my wrists from cramping up. I do however, have a usb keyboard hooked to my PS4 to make communications easier. Maybe try that option?
I use both, but I only use keyboard/mouse as a secondary. I use a game pad for primarily everything. Targeting with a cannon and some other spell/abilities is easier with a mouse. I use my number pad with key binding to have quick access to some abilities. This is especially nice with cool downs while playing tank.
Sounds like you already made your choice before even trying. FFXIV and FFXI have both been cases when the dev actually cared about the importance of fitting as many PC features on a controller as possible. I levelled to 50 using mouse and keyboard as PLD and decided that to make the next class (THM/BLM) feel like a different game, I would try levelling it and relearning PLD with the controller. I was once again impressed and for the time being I've been doing all the same stuff just more relaxed. Not to mention that you can click out onto other windows and still have full control. The only trick I think they missed was a lack of radial menus. I think "1 trigger+8 abilities per stick (16 per trigger)" would have been better than the existing "1 trigger+4 abilities for d-pad and 4 for ABXY/PS shapes (8 per trigger)".
But speaking as a guy who loves his counter strike and fully acknowledges that controllers are flawed, you REALLY don't get a slow-down if you've invested a bit of time into learning the controller for this game. It's not an aim-and-reaction intensive game like an FPS or RTS, especially when your speed is limited by global cooldowns. Plenty of genres shouldn't need a KB+M but most of it comes down to devs that lack the initiative to expand past common control-scheme conventions.
I'll probably keep swapping back and forth between schemes depending on my mood (mining with KB+M is especially a waste of having a KB+M). All you need to know is that playing with your controller doesn't mean you have to forbid yourself from occasionally typing with the KB. I love PCs not because they have the one most flexible scheme, but because they have everything.
I have only ever played with a controller (PS4) If I were to try a kb&m, I would be horrible. It would take me probably twice as long as others to learn since I've never used it for gaming. I don't even understand how people are so good with them. So many keys and fingers stretching etc. With that being said, I know there are still advantages with using kb&m. Like mouse over macros and targeting, but with macros and the intuitiveness of the controller, Ive mastered it and I don't feel at all at a disadvantage. I know it's all preference, but I don't think my brain could handle kb&m.
P.S. playing on the toilet with Vita using remote play is pretty OP though.