If I'm getting a draw, why am I still losing?

I've never understood this about Triple Triad. I've been grinding for MGP on Indolent Imperial for the past week or so, but I never really understood why I'm paying this NPC 30 MGP to play him, but only get back 18 MGP if neither of us win or lose. I'm fine with owing 12 for losing, that much makes sense. What doesn't make sense is losing MGP even though I didn't lose the match.

People try to justify this by saying "at least a draw is better than a loss", but if I'm losing MGP in either scenario, I'm just picking a lesser of the evils at that point. Hopefully they will consider making adjustments to this in the future so a draw doesn't take way MGP from you and you simply get your full 30 (or however much the NPC charges) MGP back as if the match never happened (since there wasn't a winner or a loser).

I thought you got something like 48 MGP back on a draw which is a net gain...

And consider the 30 you pay in an "ante."

Ya if I remember right it was 18 on a loss, 48 for a win, and triple digits for a win against the imperial

Seems to be a bug. Draw should give you 48. Write a ticket.

You pay 30 but get back 48 if you draw, only 18 of that is profit. It is around 120 for a win on that one so 30 fee, get back 120 equals 90 profit. I can't recall what get if lose since I do not recall last time I lost to an NPC.

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Originally Posted by OdynKorsai

Ya if I remember right it was 18 on a loss, 48 for a win, and triple digits for a win against the imperial

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Yep. 18 for a loss (net loss 12), 48 for a draw (net gain 18) and 120 for a win (net gain 90). No problem here.

Yes it's 48 for a draw. Nice thread to complain about something that isn't even the case

Ya know, I really wish they'd just give us a flat number instead of doing it this way, lol. It would be much easier to understand if it was:

Win = 90 MGP (instead of showing 120)
Loss = 12 MGP (instead of showing 18)
Draw = 18 MGP (instead of showing 48)

Maybe the Imperial gives a prize on draws, but not all NPCs do. (That first beginner guy in the Gold Saucer, for instance, who charges 10 MGP but pays back only 8 of it on a draw. You need outright wins to avoid falling behind.)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Maybe the Imperial gives a prize on draws, but not all NPCs do. (That first beginner guy in the Gold Saucer, for instance, who charges 10 MGP but pays back only 8 of it on a draw. You need outright wins to avoid falling behind.)

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That's pretty darn close to a draw MGP wise. If one is drawing so much that -2 is a big deal, one may want to find a different NPC to play...

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Originally Posted by AryaSpark

That's pretty darn close to a draw MGP wise. If one is drawing so much that -2 is a big deal, one may want to find a different NPC to play...

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It's not a high amount, but that's proportional. You either lose 10 (lose) lose 2 (draw) or win 12 (win).

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Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari

Ya know, I really wish they'd just give us a flat number instead of doing it this way, lol. It would be much easier to understand if it was:

Win = 90 MGP (instead of showing 120)
Loss = 12 MGP (instead of showing 18)
Draw = 18 MGP (instead of showing 48)

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In regards to Loss, this makes it look as though you *gained* 12 MGP, when it should be -12 MGP. I guess they don't want to include minus signs everywhere.

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Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari

Ya know, I really wish they'd just give us a flat number instead of doing it this way, lol. It would be much easier to understand if it was:

Win = 90 MGP (instead of showing 120)
Loss = 12 MGP (instead of showing 18)
Draw = 18 MGP (instead of showing 48)

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However doing it the way they do, entices you to play. See the perceived "low" number for when you "loose" and the perceived "HIGHER" numbers for when you win/draw. These make you think you are getting something and keep you playing, if you loose, it's not that much, so I'll go again.

Dunno about the Imperial, since I've kinda given up playing TT and never got that fair, but... yeah, basically, this is one of the reasons. Just tried Momodi again - fee is 15MGP, win gets you 33 (so technically 18), draw gets you 13 (so technically -2). I think they've increased the amounts a little, seem to remember a bit less, but that's just a detail - a draw is a draw, it shouldn't reward or "punish" either player...?

On a sidenote, same goes for the jumbo cactpot too: "consolation" prize at level 7 being 78?? When the ticket itself was 100? (And to that the "early bird" bonus being 7 grand total MGP?) The mini cactpot too, in fact, about a third of it is no "win" at all, since it doesn't even give you back the price of the ticket itself. Dunno about elsewhere, and granted it's been a few years since I last bought a scratch ticket here, but the way I remember, even the lowest win on them was its actual price.

I can accept a loss, but making it look like I won... no. It's not enticing me to play, it's making me feel insulted and annoyed - like I said, one of the reasons why I stopped playing it, even though I do like TT itself. Everyone can do basic math like this.


PS: PLEASE REMOVE THE CHARACTER LIMIT.

I'm surprised the penalties for drawing aren't harsher.
In most gambling tie = lose... "The house always wins".
If you didn't win... you didn't win...

I will say though that playing against King and Imperial, I have made over 10k MGP. Just casual farming and not including the multiples that were dropped by them.