I've been mulling over the potential to add a third subtype to Elezen with Ishgard (since this is partially at least an Elezen expansion storywise) and had come up with a concept for the stats based around the idea that the Elezen there are distinctly more militaristic essentially in the vein of Catholic medieval knights:
STR+3
DEX-2
VIT+1
INT-2
MND-2
PIE+2
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Ishgardian Elezen?
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03-09-2015, 11:43 PMColdbrandIshgardian Elezen?
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03-09-2015, 11:44 PMColdbrand
I think this would also serve to satisfy the people who played Elvaan in FFXI, and add some context to the martial prowess we'll see unfold between the Temple Knights, Dragoons, and other melee units being employed in Ishgard. I also feel that this would be relatively easy to implement as you don't really need to create much in terms of new art assets. It's frustrating that the race who created the job doesn't have much room in terms of playing it optimally, especially for someone coming from the expectations set by the San d'Orian Elvaan. (No doubt the basis for Ishgard.)
As a side note, I think this option would play excellently into the upcoming Dark Knight job as well which would further establish them as knights proper and you can even pitch the expansion as adding a second race with marketing if you want to be sly. Dragoon would also obviously be covered by this which I think is only fair. Increased PIE would reflect the religious fervor exhibited by the obvious Catholic overtones. -
03-09-2015, 11:45 PMColdbrand
I certainly think given the differences in the Wildwood and Duskwights physiology due to lifestyle changes, the Ishgard Elezen would also be distinct. Even if this were added as a patch I'd be happy to wait, likely along with many of the XI ilk who miss being heavy hitters or who want to have a far more unique background for the elvish species than the more typical lore that makes up the Duskwight(Drow) and Wildwood(LOTR). Not to mention the Ishgard people will likely be spilling out into the population now as we've seen with that runaway in the main story quest line in much greater numbers.
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03-09-2015, 11:50 PMZenaku
If i remember right they going to add hybrid race to the game. Like hume mix with elezen now as to getting a other sub-clean like ishgardian i don't see that happening. When they add one thing to a race they have to do it for all others due to the fact that people would cry why only elezen.
Also the ishgardian are pretty much the same type of race from the rest of eorzea. -
03-09-2015, 11:59 PMColdbrand
Others can get theirs when we reach their homeland, just so happened to hit Elezen first. And there's already unfair stuff like Hyur having 6 faces so I don't see the issue.
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03-10-2015, 12:29 AMAnonymoose
One of the original descriptions of the clans said that both the Wildwood and Duskwight descended from the "first elezen" that settled the forest 900 years ago [~672(6A)], 400 years before the exodus from Gelmorra and establishment of Gridania, when the schism into two clans occurred. If the Dragonsong War started 1,000 years ago [~577(6A)], the Ishgardians seem to go back to these "first elezen." However, another interpretation might be that the Ishgardians are technically Wildwood, since they aren't an adaptive divergence like the Duskwight seem to be - similar to how the Plainfolk appear to be Lalafell reflective of their southern island plains origin and the Dunesfolk divergent in adaption to Thanalan.
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03-10-2015, 12:32 AMRickiFake02
Yeah I pretty much assumed that Ishgardian Elezen were all Wildwood. No need for a new subrace.
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03-10-2015, 01:18 AMmyahele
i think that a majority of ishgardians are wildwood in origin, too. But it would'nt surprise me if some or many are mixed with duskwight (who decided to leave for the surface) since it seems like there's not the same prejudice against them unlike gridania
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03-10-2015, 01:41 AMlunar_seraphimWait... is this real?! Do you have a source for this information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
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03-10-2015, 01:49 AMColdbrand
So two groups with completely different lifestyles that have been separated for 1000+ years in seperate regions shouldn't be considered fundamentally different when a break of just 400 years produces a distinct subset? Doesn't seem like a strong argument to me. Frolicking around the woods isn't quite the same sort of behavior as battling dragons as part of a religious order of knights for centuries on end.
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03-10-2015, 01:50 AMtreuhavikI can't find the post unfortunately, but it was said that mixed races do exist and that we may see some in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by lunar_seraphim
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03-10-2015, 01:54 AMColdbrand
Someone made a joke during NA fanfest about two races having sex and they said it's a possibility. If you pay attention to the ears of the woman who accompanies the temple knight in the story you should also be noticing she's a hyur/elezen hybrid.
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03-10-2015, 02:04 AMtreuhavikQuote:
Originally Posted by Coldbrand
...is that your final answer? -
03-10-2015, 03:52 AMDynza
A-certain-hair-stylist-hailing-from-a-certain-snowy-mountain-region-and-carrying-noble-ish-blood-who-has-a-brother-looking-for-him-in-a-certain-moogle-delivery-quest-is-not-a-wildwood-elezen...
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03-10-2015, 04:13 AMColdbrand
I'd also point out that what creates "race" IRL (geographical location) is very different between living in the mountains, even pre-calamity versus living in sunny woods. I won't go into time because the real life equivalent process takes waaaaaaay longer than this game's timeline seems to accommodate. Not to mention the noble houses would lead to a form of selective breeding separating them genetically from outsiders. (Ishgardian Elezen would probably have certain genetic defects or vulnerability to conditions/diseases that Wildwood and Duskwights would not.) You can bring up the past lore if you'd like but I just don't think the writers have yet accounted for the reality that under the rules used to establish differences in the other groups the criteria are being met here for a meaningful difference, and for the people who care about stats it just doesn't fit as is. (Yes I know it's a statistical triviality gameplay wise.)
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03-10-2015, 05:58 AMVargasVermillionshe isn't mixed race but she isn't a hyur either...look forward to it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldbrand
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03-10-2015, 07:40 AMMagisWasn't she that other race that used a elezen skeleton and didn't have elezen ears?Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
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03-10-2015, 07:47 AMtreuhavikEye think you've got the right eye-dea...Quote:
Originally Posted by Magis
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03-10-2015, 08:01 AMEloahWhile I get the idea about being vague, could you elaborate a bit. I don't know anything about another race, specifically one involving "eyes"Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
Also for anyone interested, while individual characters might be hard to discern, there js a mixed race family, in the Gold Saucer. Near the enterence to the Triple Triad area is a Roegadyn man and a "hyuran" boy. Based on their dialogue they are father and son, and there is a mother and daughter too; if they are in the saucer somewhere I don't know, but it is nice to actually see a confirmed mixed family.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
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03-10-2015, 08:06 AMtreuhavikI'm sure if you try to think of another race whose bodies look similar enough to the Elezen and may have some extra eyes (or just one), you'll figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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03-10-2015, 08:52 AMVargasVermillionTo be fair a lot of people don't know that there is a specific race of this 'group'. also doesn't mention them on wikis.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
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03-10-2015, 09:18 AMmyahele
I think they're talking about Garleans (only race that has a "3rd" eye so far)
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03-10-2015, 02:03 PMEloahOkay so what makes other think she is a Garlean then? Is there any evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
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03-10-2015, 02:09 PMAnonymoosePlayful coyness is starting to derail the thread at large. Hate to stomp on the fun, buuuut....Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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03-11-2015, 01:41 AMMagisI still want to know how the original person who posted that found that out. Were they looking under every bang in case said person was garlean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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03-11-2015, 05:05 AMmyahele
Her head band kinda looks what the current Garlean Emperor wears and by extention the Garlean flag:
http://i.imgur.com/utXdTzl.png
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...emald_Flag.jpg
Wonder if there's a connection, or just a coincidence. Afterall, the known unmasked Garleans we know don't wear such a head band -
03-11-2015, 05:53 AMAnonymoose
I just want to know why there's dragons all over their stuff. Makes me suspicious of a Garlemald / Allag link beyond Nael van Darnus.
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03-11-2015, 05:54 AMMagis:O, what if she is the emperor's daughter who fled after disagreeing with him!Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
Nah, I'm just making stuff up. -
03-11-2015, 06:54 AMNiwashiIt's at least been confirmed that it's possible for there to be crossbreed individuals. A hybrid race might be taking it a bit far, though, because it's apparently pretty rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
This post is from the 1.0 forums, but:
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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
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03-11-2015, 07:55 AMWolfandreI noticed this too and was about to fly into a tizzy here on the Lore-ums, but then I realized that that child could have been (and, considering that he doesn't look like a Roe, probably was) adopted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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03-11-2015, 10:17 AMEloahI thought that too, not like they haven't hinted at adopted families in the game, good work SE. But I'm more inclined to think it's a standard family. I forget where I heard it but someone said the children moslty take after the mother, and we don't know what the mother looks like. Plus Roes do look fairly similar to Hyurs and or Elezens, it could just be that he looks more like the mother right now. But I do realize I am basing everything on speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfandre
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03-11-2015, 01:18 PMVargasVermillionPerhaps dragons were a symbol of power within their culture? Actually now that leads me to believe they're based of valyrians from the song of ice and fire universe although that's a huge stretch lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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03-11-2015, 01:25 PMWyrahFhurrst
I wonder if the Garlean royalty isn't in league with the Ilsabard-ian Great Wyrm. I mean, it's either that, or he's been long since killed by them, cus I'm pretty sure Garleans and dragons aren't on the greatest of terms.
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03-11-2015, 01:27 PMZenakuEorzea is elezen homeland so from that logic we should have had 3 clans for elezen from day one of ARR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldbrand
I don't see them being more sub clans for the race i think it just better to add a new one with two clans.