I have a quention, runing my head day and night.
Is there any % drop rate on Triple Triad NPCs rewards?! I mean, if a NPC has 3 different cards as a reward, have they the same percentage drop? Is completly random? OR the MOS RARE CARDS HAVE A MINIMUM DROP RATE?!
Same for the Gold and Silver Triad Card you buy in Golden saucer NPC.
Golden one has 8 posible rewards, 2 legendary cards included: Have they the same posibility to drop?!
PLZ I NEED TO KNOW T________T
Triple Triad NPC Reward % drop rate?!!
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03-06-2015, 04:27 AMWwZeLoSwWTriple Triad NPC Reward % drop rate?!!
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03-06-2015, 04:39 AMHakuroDK
There are no listed numbers, but from personal experience and hearing stories from others, I am pretty sure the higher-star the card is, the lower the chances of acquiring it.
The legendary cards from the Gold pack, as you call them, are not only 5-star, but they're 5-star with silver borders, which imo makes them closer to a 6-star rarity. This essentially means that those same Legendary cards are actually rarer than their normal bronze-bordered 5-star counterparts.
tl;dr: The rarer the card, the rarer it is to drop. -
03-06-2015, 04:42 AMSnugglebutt
Well there is no such thing as truly/completely random in as far as computer generated numbers go. They are all designed to mimic as close as possible to such but to date I do not think any has perfected it. The cards all have a drop % chance but you must remember that every single time beat the NPC it is still that same % chance so no matter how many times you beat it depending on your own luck you may or may not ever get it. Based on my best guess I would assume the chance of winning the legendary/collectors cards from those packs is very low, what I am certain of though is those cards are not the same % chance as the rest of the cards within the packs. I would be surprised if the drop % chance of for example Zidane or Warrior of Light is any higher than 1-5% and I would guess it is actually towards the lower end of that estimate.
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03-06-2015, 05:06 AMSibyllThe drop rates seem really weird. I beat King Elmer III about 50-60 times before he dropped any card for me, which happened to be Bahamut. Meanwhile I knew people that had beaten him half as much and gotten about 4 Godberts.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
Could say the same about the dungeon/trial drop rates. Killed Ifrit a dozen times with a premade and no drops. Everyone else got it 1+ times. -
03-06-2015, 05:10 AMWwZeLoSwW
so, what the hell its going on?
Could have any drop info in any site?
Square shall give us that information... -
03-06-2015, 05:27 AMWelsper59That's the nature of RNG, which is why a VERY large pool of players outcomes needs to be added to a statistic in order to determine even a remotely accurate drop rate percentage. It is probably safe to say though that 5 star cards are a single digit drop chance, given how frequently you'd come across different people failing to get Bahamut and, especially, Gaius. I got around 14 Godberts before Bahamut dropped. Likewise, I've gotten well over 80 Livia/Rhit and 30 Nero cards from Indolent Soldier, still no Gaius. Granted though, I've won way more frequently against him than King.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sibyll
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03-06-2015, 05:51 AMJayCommonQuote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
Same, except compounded. I've gotten at least 200 Livia/Rhit's and a bit over 100 Nero's and still no Gaius. I have no idea how many times I have played him because it's all just a big blur of MGP farm/disappointment lol. The win ratio for me is also similar to yours. When I used beastmen ascension deck I would say my actual win rate hovered somewhere between 60-70% with the rest being draws/losses. When I switched to Scion deck because I have 60 unique cards (about 3 days ago) I have not lost against the Imperial.
At this point I'll just use the Imperial to farm MGP and maybe try my luck at Gaius in Praetorium. Haven't tried for Hildy or Louisoix yet....I figured my chances were better at getting Gaius with the absurdly high win ratio I was able to sustain against him. My figures are not equaling what I thought they would haha. -
03-06-2015, 05:56 AMStarrywisdom
I feel like it could(probably not) be related to the amount of people playing that NPC as well. For instance I've beat Elmer over 800 times and gotten 0 drops from him; and no I'm not exaggerating 800 times. I've got a handful(read: 50~) wins each on the other popular NPC's also with 0 drops. In fact the only time I've recieved a drop with less then 50 wins is when I'm at an npc with no one or 1-2 people there.
Of course that's completely anecdotal and while I do keep track of my own progress; I can't tell the legitimacy of what other people are reporting. A good friend of mine has been just as unlucky as I have with drops(around 2k wins total; only recieved 8 cards 3 of which were duplicates).
So the RNG for drop rate has to be extremely low and thus why so many people are experiencing long droughts. -
03-06-2015, 06:03 AMWelsper59/sigh... I really should get around to reaching the 60 card quota and get the Scion cards (only Waifulia and Tataru so far). It's kind of annoying to have little option but to draw when he throws Nero down as the 2nd or 3rd card (or uses it before he uses Gaius) while using the Beastmen setup. I don't mind the void of the Gaius drop too much from my wins since I could always use more MGP, especially considering I dabble with racing feeds and trying for gold pack cards from time to time.Quote:
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03-06-2015, 06:03 AMSnugglebuttHildy card was by far the worst for me from NPC's, Zidane and Warrior of Light continue to elude me no matter how many gold decks I buy and same with Lahabrea from the silver packs. The 8 person trials and WoD raid are proving to be extremely bad too for getting the high star cards while the 4 person dungeon cards seems pretty easy so far for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCommon
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03-06-2015, 07:16 AMJayCommonWhile I'm not sure about your theory on the drop rate being relative to the amount of people farming him, I totally believe how many matches you have played. If I were to err on the minimal side, I would offer that I have played the Imperial Indolent at least 3000 times. The matches are fast and the MGP is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starrywisdom
Ironically enough, I have gotten some of my best cards while rushing through a match because my duty popped :D (there is my anecdotal theory)
But literally: Bahamut, Odin (from Landenel), Kan-E-Senna and 2nd Merlwyb drop all came with less than 15 seconds on my duty finder whilst rushing a win lol.
It will be very beneficial to your ability to amass MGP quicker and more efficiently to definitely just take that time to get to 60 cards. Indolent's deck has absolutely nothing against a Scion deck in Ascension. I can literally afk-watch Netflix if I wanted and win against him with the deck. But I don't do that, because I love playing Triple Triad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
It's also why I don't really mind not getting Gaius as well. I am going to play that NPC to farm MGP anyway. I'll get it eventually. I'm not sure where you are in terms of your card collection, but I would definitely take the time to get the 1* cards from the dungeons. The drop rates seemed pretty generous imo. The only dungeon I needed to do more than twice was Pharos Sirius, and I believe that is based on Siren being a 3* card in a relatively low level dungeon in terms of the 50 dungeons.
It was also my experience that the 1* cards you could get from either HM or NM dungeons, had a better drop rate in the NM dungeon. This has had different reports from different people though, so don't take my advice at face value. All I can say is that I did each HM version once first, and for all of them I got the drop on the 1st dungeon I did in the NM difficulty, except Tonberry took me 2 WP NM''s to get.
I have a pretty good descension deck, so getting wins against Hab doesn't really deter me that much. I really want Fenrir ^^ so I'm going for grind sessions against the Indolent until I get Gaius and it forces me to move on lol. But yeah, I think I dread Rowena/Swift the most. Even with a 3* deck, Chaos still makes consistency against Swift tough. I can beat him much easier now with a 3* deck, but the time window coupled with Chaos makes matches tougher to come by, let alone wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snugglebutt
And Random is, well Random haha :D ...at least Louisoix is only a 4* card. Drop rate should be a bit more favorable than the 5* drops from NPCs -
03-06-2015, 08:11 AMAeyisSquare's SD on their RNG is absurdly large. It takes a very large pool of players indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
Better then trial or NPC rates for sure. However that is likely due to them being 1* cards. That said, they are not as generous as you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCommon
It still took me 6-7 dungeons before I even saw one drop. Had to do some of the other dungeons 4-5 times to get their cards. -
03-06-2015, 09:37 AMWelsper59Yup... yup... clearly, I have submitted to the torment of the tyrannical ruler that goes by "RNG".Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeyis
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03-06-2015, 10:41 AMShinun
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RNG is RNG just keep grinding away at them and you'll eventually get them. Shiva took me between 25-30 hours which was the worst of them all so far. Though I'm now grinding Onion Knight so who knows how thatll be -
03-06-2015, 11:00 PMHakuroDKHow in the nine circles of hell do you have Vaan already? I've been trying really hard to get in all of my Roulette matches and I'm still only at 40 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinun
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03-06-2015, 11:43 PMShinunNPCs can get roulette rule via regional rules. Baradon had it and i spent ~3-4 hours grinding it out for 300 winsQuote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
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03-07-2015, 01:25 AMh0tNstilettos
The higher the rarity the lower the percent chance of a drop. 5 star cards have a drop rate waaaay lower than what atma was even before atma was nerfed. You won't do nearly as many atma fates as you will TT wins to get the drop, unless you are extremely lucky. Basically it's a lower than 1 percent drop rate. My guess is anywhere from 0.001% to 0.005% drop rate. An NPC's most common card seems to have a drop rate of about 20% to 25% since they seem to drop on average 1 every 4 to 5 wins. These are fairly accurate estimates. As for dungeons and trial drops I'm really not sure. Most people get a 5 star trial drop within 60 runs, with exceptions. This would put a 5 star trial drop as 1.6% assuming 1 of every 60 runs will produce a drop. As for the common dungeon drops (aka non-raids), they have the highest percent chance of dropping than any other means of card obtainment. Most of those are 1 or 2 star and seem to have a 30% to 40% drop rate. For packs I have no idea.
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03-07-2015, 02:34 AMJayCommonYou can also do this with another player, if you can find someone willing to play that many matches against you. The MGP will be crap, but you can just put Roulette as your rule set and each game counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinun
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03-07-2015, 04:50 AMShinunWell yes, but if your just after the achievement card it's faster to burn through the roulette regional rule npc, then against players.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCommon
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03-07-2015, 04:57 AMSibyllThink you might be over estimating how low those percentages are. Myself personally, and others, have played NPCs like King Elmer 50+ times and gotten zero drops from him. As a reference I've seen 15% materia melds fail about as much before I get a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by h0tNstilettos
I don't think it's lower percentages, I think it's just really skewed RNG that needs to be fine tuned to the sample sizes that an individual would realistically play. Either that ore make it like an achievement where beating an NPC X times will net you Card A and so forth. They could do this with materia melding where instead of a percentage you just need to use increased numbers of a given materia to overmeld higher slots. -
03-07-2015, 05:22 AMJayCommonQuote:
Originally Posted by Shinun
Very true. Is there always an NPC available that has this regional rule every day? Serious question, I'm usually only flipping between the NPC's that have cards I still need at the moment. I haven't really went out to play the guys I already farmed to see if they had these rules. -
03-07-2015, 06:22 AMShinunDon't know. Friend told me their was somewhere online where it's posted. He told me the <pos> which ended up being Baderon and I spent hours grinding it out to complete the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCommon