This "Dark Side" of materia crafting is said to be the most powerful, but will come at a cost.
So what will the cost be?
What are we able to sacrifice?
Gil? Time? Gear? Anima? Guardian's Aspect?
Perhaps none of those but it may be a different kind of sacrifice.
When they use terms like "Dark" or "Forbidden" to describe this materia enhanced gear it brings to mind Cursed Armor. Armor or weapons with a soul of their own, that uses the possessor as a host to carry out it's dark wishes.
So it may be that this Dark Materia Gear may take your body in some way.
It could possibly:
Slowly drain your HP or MP
Increase your enmity
Have a very low durability
Or my personal favorite, the price of wearing this evil gear is your body itself.
Once crafted you will not be able to remove the armor from your body.
In a game designed for variability, you pay the ultimate price of having no choice.
So not only can you not change your gear, but you will also not be able to change your class.
That is, until you pay for the "evil" materia to be "purged" from you.
Forbidden Materia
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08-27-2011, 07:47 PMHolyomenForbidden Materia
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08-27-2011, 08:28 PMMariyaShidou
If you fail to succeed the Forbidden Materia ritual, you lose your character permanently.
Just like Salem MMO, they have perma death PvP. -
08-27-2011, 08:34 PMGreed
str+ // def-
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08-27-2011, 08:38 PMTonyMontana
I really hope they dont use this as a way to limit crafters to specializing in one craft. As a person with 7 almost 8(cooking at 47) crafts I would like to be able to do anything available crafting wise all on one character.
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08-27-2011, 08:45 PMGryzz@_@! i likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Holyomen
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08-27-2011, 10:31 PMJibe
I vote for the permadeath.
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08-28-2011, 12:17 AMDoctorMogCasuals are gonna cry when they read this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibe
Expect 20 pages alone on this quote. -
08-28-2011, 12:20 AMSonic_the_HedgehogI think the loss is the loss of your gear, that's it. Adding 5 materia to one weapon will probably make you pretty powerful, so the risk is losing your gear and materia you previously added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holyomen
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08-28-2011, 01:03 AMSephrEnjoy it while it lasts, they've already said they're going to be limiting characters to be able to further one or two crafts exclusively in the future, in some shape or form.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyMontana
Yawn at the casual remarks, the fact that she/he wasn't even serious cements this as a pretty lame remark. No, I don't play 6 hours a day like you do. Does that mean I have a different preference in play style aside from in volume? I wouldn't say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
In the context of this whole little joke, I'd say 'casuals' would be more accepting because they don't see their characters as important to their lives, like someone who invests an excessive amount of time probably would. -
08-28-2011, 01:17 AMHolyomenLoss of gear is the cost of failing on normal materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog
Why would you have the same risk on something that is much more rewarding? -
08-28-2011, 01:20 AMJynx
Whatever the "Risk" is people will be upset with it and demand it be nerfed into a bonus of some sorts.
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08-28-2011, 01:38 AMSavWith great rewards, come great...rewards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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08-28-2011, 01:41 AMDoctorMogEditing this post because SE seems to hate my sarcastic humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sav
So, the new edit:
Yes, that seems to be how SE wants to cater to the playerbase. -
08-28-2011, 01:42 AMSonic_the_HedgehogHuh? If you add just one materia, then there isn't any failure. It's 100% guaranteed you won't lose the materia and gear if you add just one materia to your item. But if you try to add two, three, or four on top of that one, then there is risk of losing that gear and previously added materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holyomen
EDIT: Ah I see what you're saying now, I think there isn't a "better" reward per se, I think maybe if you have three materia on one item, then maybe you get a bonus but if you're going for that bonus then there's a risk of losing everything you have. -
08-28-2011, 01:58 AMHolyomenI am referring to forbidden materia, of which we don't know anything about as of yet, not the adding of up to 5 normal materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog
All we know is that is it great power at a great cost. -
08-28-2011, 02:32 AMHiirNoivl
They're not going to limit you to one craft. That would make it impossible to repair you're own gear. But they will probably limit the types of forbidden/endgame crafts you can do. You can level all Crafts to 50 but you can only "Master" one craft to make endgame gear. Or perhaps that you can only handle certain types of forbidden materia.
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08-28-2011, 02:41 AMChiefCurraheeGet off your high horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
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08-28-2011, 02:46 AMJynxOr perhaps it's time you got on one!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee
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08-28-2011, 02:48 AMArcellI've never seen mention of Forbidden Materia anywhere. They mention a forbidden branch of the craft but not forbidden materia. This was originally used in reference to slotting more than one materia when it was first announced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holyomen
Edit: Found it
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post162041
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Finally, rumors tell of a forbidden technique with a high risk of failure to attach another materia to an item that already has a materia attached to it…
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08-28-2011, 03:16 AMChiefCurraheeI'd rather it be a chocobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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08-28-2011, 03:33 AMPlatinumstorm
I thought it might be a story mechanic for the antagonist to have a goal - to acquire immortality, but looks like I was reading into that too much..
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08-28-2011, 04:08 AMArmozel
I'm thinking materia with some nasty spells that can both harm the user and his intended target(s). That would be awesome. ^_^
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08-28-2011, 04:41 AMHolyomenWell that's pretty boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
I was really hoping for something like the Cursed Shield that requires 255 battles to cleanse or the Cursed Ring that would either leave you with the curse effect(no buffs), zombie effect(no cures), or doom so if you're in active mode for longer than 60 seconds you just die.
Way to underwhelm me SE. -
08-28-2011, 07:19 AMTonyMontanaDo you have a link to this. I would like to see where they say for sure they will be limiting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephr
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08-28-2011, 07:41 AMArcellThey didn't. Famitsu asked if they were going to, they didn't say yes or no.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyMontana
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08-28-2011, 08:06 AMTonyMontanaThats what I thought but I figured they must have stated it the way the other poster said it. I guess hes just hatin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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08-28-2011, 08:08 AMArcellYeah, the initial mis-translation made it sound like it was SE who said it though it just turned out to be Famitsu asking if they were going to when Reinheart fully translated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyMontana
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08-28-2011, 05:38 PMAndrien
Huge Materia!
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08-28-2011, 07:04 PMSylvari“Hello, ladies, look at your materia, now back to mine, now back at your materia, now back to mine. Sadly, it isn’t mine, but if you stopped using normal materia and switched to Forbidden materia, Yours could be like its mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re on a Airship with the materia your materia could be like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s a Treasure chest with two Forbidden materia to make your armor the armor you love. Look again, the Forbidden materia are now risk free. Anything is possible when your materia looks like Forbidden materia and not normal materia. I’m on a Chocobo.”Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee
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08-28-2011, 09:26 PMJibeI very much enjoyed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvari
As to my comment earlier in the thread, I wasnt really being serious; but I kind of was.... -
08-29-2011, 04:56 AMTempestmoon
If the dark materia is going to be as good as they say, I think they will have a penalty to meld it to armor such as an extended weakness, negative affects of control and output. Or even experience or level loss. to be a dark materia crafter you would have to maintain your levels to keep crafting it.
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08-29-2011, 05:27 AMForerunnerXI Nostalgia ftw. Mog House = NPC to purge evil materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holyomen
+1 for you, sir.