Content bottle necks

I love the fact that XIV poses real challenges to the players please don't think of this as a plea to make it easier.

However I am having hard time getting any sort of group together for few fights.

Nobody is in que for Moogle Extreme and the times I've gotten in the teams barely live for more than 60 seconds so obviously I haven't had any significant learning experience there. I've seen the videos but there are no chances to practice the fight ever.

I've set up learning parties that are up for hours and no slots get filled up.
I just don't see what I can do to overcome this challenge and all the other EX Primals are locked behind this one.

Same story in coil.

I'm now at t8 but parties just don't happen. No-one in pf nor df is doing it and setting it up myself yields no results. In the mean time I have studied the fights with the best of my ability online but in practice it seems I need some real axe-to-mob-time to properly learn these.

Any tips on what I should do?

My ilvl is 113 if that is relevant to this.

And honestly any practical tips beyond "get a static" would be greatly appreciated.

Don't you have an FC? Find a helpful one?

Hey i see we are on same server, one of my friends just came back a couple days ago and also needs mog EX we plan on doing it this week. What times do you usually play?

Well this is an mmorpg, so I would recommend you to talk to people, make friends, add people you think play well to your friend's list. Thats how I learned every fight. My server is really slow to join PF's so it's usually not an option unless I wanna wait an hour or two, so I usually need to ask around.
There may also be linkshells on your server to help new/farm ex primals and coil.

People are not really up for doing Moogle Extreme with DF or PF when people are new as it is not a very pug-friendly fight. You will have the same problem with Ramuh Extreme. Your best bet is to ask your FC for help or join an endgame LS.

i think it really is because the ilvls increase too fast. i would like the game to have increases maybe every half a year or longer, so content stays relevant longer.
But as soon as you beat moogle x you dont go back to that fight, since after is shiva, and the possible gear drop on moogle isnt worth it for most people.
It's sad but true and it happens to everything.

Coil is even worse. after 1 week or maybe 2 (if your lucky) it's almost impossible to join people since you are not pro yet. It's a pretty sad and stupid development.
I blame the 100% scripted fights that have close to zero randomness. If they had, it would be harder to "learn" them instead you would need more skill. But its a easy way to create content. Sadly the perfect recipe for these kinda developments in the community and for fast boredom.

There is a lot of "randomness" in all of final coil

I'm in a pretty big FC but it seems like I should join an additional endgame LS too. I just wanted to point out that I'm not "pro" at this game or anything. I just want the chance to learn and get better without you know... committing my entire life to that goal?

Yeah, you actually have a good point in that they should remove the bottle neck for Shiva that is Ramuh and Moogle - those fights are a pain to throw together and require coordination. Shiva is, like, 10 times easier to PUG than those fights.

My advice, honestly, would be to just buy the clears, or join a linkshell and start doing favors for people. This is coming from a standpoint of: it is going to take you an extraordinary amount of time to learn the fights to the point that you will be able to have them on farm. That is a function of the fact that no one is doing them at all anymore, so, like you said, it will be hard to find other people that want to accomplish the same thing as you. While, yeah, its going to kind of suck to skip those fights, they are not very fun and the time you put in probably won't be worth the reward, imo.

It would probably cost you like 2mil to buy it knowing what I know about Balmung's mercs.

Sadly, a lot of content in thid game is unmanageable/really rough without a static/FC/good friends. I've dfd everything up to T8, but at that's as far as it goes. I made some decent friends at T9 and eventually got a static, and now I'm currently raiding T13.

For any further content from T8, you need to be connected to progress. If not a static, try finding a FC/raiding LS to get some good people to hook up with.

You can arrange practice parties on PF, but that may take some time. It's better just finding people to generally play with.

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Originally Posted by Anty

i think it really is because the ilvls increase too fast. i would like the game to have increases maybe every half a year or longer, so content stays relevant longer.

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Lol I find it rather ironic that your talking about ilvl increases being "too fast" here, as well as content staying relevant "longer" and you started another thread requesting SE drop the tome cap limit entirely.

Doing so would obviously let people attain ilvls "faster" and "shorten" the longevity of the content to do so.

Suggestions such as dropping the tome cap and reducing the rewards without a corresponding large increase in overall content is just attempting to trade apples for oranges

If you're in a big, active and helpful FC, it shouldn't be difficult to organise a FC learning / clear party for the fights you need. If your FC isn't supporting your progress, consider joining another.

I cleared Mog Ex on DF, same with Shiva Ex recently, since all the clear parties I set up in PF essentially had no one joining. Ramuh I cleared with people from my FC and some people from PF.

I think people generally skip T8 and jump straight into T9 now, hence the lack of any parties except farm ones.

I'm not sure if we could be online at the same time, but I could definitely help you out if I spot your PF :)

Seems we're on the same server. I've gotten past Mog EX and Ramuh EX but I know your pain! I'm just starting into Second Coil and because of my awkward work schedule static groups are pretty much a non-starter for me.

That said, if you ever see Shiloh Caraway online feel free to send a hello! I'm always happy to lend a helping hand whenever I can. Joining a couple of Linkshells is also a really good thing, especially if you can find a couple of the 'Helping' ones.

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Originally Posted by Seif

And honestly any practical tips beyond "get a static" would be greatly appreciated.

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exactly what advice beyond getting a static are you expecting? your problem is you cant clear content because you cant find 7 others to do it with so how is finding those 7 and making a LS for people you know can get things done not "getting a static". this game allows for 2 play styles forming a static and whatever it is you're doing.

I know the pain man. Had to buy mog EX. Sad reality is that most ppl suck at it, and never wanna go back to it once they got their clear. Friends even are very reluctant to help with mog.

Hard to believe SE still have mog as gateway to current content ( shiva ). Sad.

Mog ex is fun and pretty easy as long as you're not running it with random fools.

Hmmm I actually pugged all content till T9 and shiva because i was kinda "way ahead" of my static/friends aka more determined in raiding. It took me a while but I cleared all content when it was still recent. Then made a "blind run pact" with my static so the rushing ahead is no longer possible because we learn and figure out the fights from 0 with out guides... Shiva done T9 done currently T10 last phase (we are casual and have bad luck with DCs) but except for "Don't use DF and expect a clear" and "Try to find stable players you can hook up and rely on" I canot give you any advice.
If people invite you to a linkshell try to accept it and decide for your own if its helpful or you rather quit.
Make friend have fun, set up own partyfinders and there you also need to be able to be "cold hearted" and kick someone if he holds the team back. Those decisions need to be made to progress.... Good luck and take the help of people that offer here

I had this same problem untill I joined a HELPFUL FC that was still clearning the Ex Primals and Coils. Op, stay away from FC's that have already cleared stuff, they won't help you. Good luck to you!

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Originally Posted by Seif

I'm in a pretty big FC.

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Big and usefull are two different things. If you have 200 members and nobody plays together it's not a Free company it's a glorified LS chat.