Leveling in Heavensward

While i in the process of lvl-ing all classes i start to wonder if in heavensward there will be same amount of time needed to level 50-60 as in vanila 1-50??
If yes then in case someone dont lvl all classes earlier or simply start the game in Heavensward it will be like double work to do, ind if someone start play Heavensward and want all classes bring from 1-60...... :/

If someone play FFXI can share how that looks like in this previous SE mmo? (i know that FFXI got few rxpansions)

I doubt 50-60 will take as long as 1-50. Could be wrong but I doubt it.

I don't know...but don't think XI is a good comparison. So different in so many ways.

1-50 leveling speed might be easier too, we don't know yet, they might increase roulette bonus and all, I doubt it will be as long as leveling from 1-50.

personally i hope it takes a while but not a gruesome grind lol they have to make it atleast abit timeconsuming so u cant max most classes at 60 in a week ;/

I expect it to be quite easy to level based on how the game works. XP scales in XIV. SO even if it is 2.5million xp expect to see those fates giving you 100k-150k xp per gold. Aka to level from 30=>31 in XIV it required the same time commitment more or less as 49=>50.

In XI your XP increased based on level. In the end it ended up being an exponential grind which was eventually lowered to make it easier. I believe levels 70-75 was the same xp as 1-70 at one point. XI now they throw xp at you at rates that makes the leveling in XIV seem like a nightmare grind so I will not reference Post-Abysea XI. Old XI XP did not scale. You were getting 250-300xp a kill at level 15 and you are getting 300xp a kill at level 74. So each level took longer to obtain, especially pre-ToAU expansion.

I expect an hour per level or so at the max in XIV. So maby 10-12 hours per class to get it to cap from 50.

I dont think lvling will be the longest part. They said that the story will be almost as long as vanillas. ( im not sure where i read this) so im assuming 50-60 will be decent but the story past 60 will be long.

the question is more, what it's important into a mmorpg, the leveling part or what come after?

Will take....

Three months :P

kidding aside.
Seeing as they say the xpac will be as big as launch 2.0. I can envision it taking about the same time as 1-50 which, to be honest is pretty fast anyways.

Also 2.0 had multiple zones at the same level range from the 3 city states. Whether that will be same *shrugs* or each zone increasing in level range we will have to see.

With a raised level cap, I think we would have all those level 50 dungeons give EXP by then.

Length is never a problem by itself. Repetitiveness is.

if i recall what i herd from the fanfests correctly i beleave yoshi-p said the levelling from 50 to 60 will be thee same if not harder then 40 to 50 (i also think we ware going to lose our (+50%) bonus as well until we hit our first level 60

How does it make sense for 10 levels to take as long as 50?

51 will require slightly more xp then 50 did, 52 will be slightly more than 51, and so on. I'd be surprised if it was otherwise.

(You can even see how much xp is needed to go to 51 if you look at your xp bar on a maxed class right now, though that might change.)

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

How does it make sense for 10 levels to take as long as 50?

51 will require slightly more xp then 50 did, 52 will be slightly more than 51, and so on. I'd be surprised if it was otherwise.

(You can even see how much xp is needed to go to 51 if you look at your xp bar on a maxed class right now, though that might change.)

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i beleave he meant it more as a the time it takes in relevance to where we are, were now I120 to i130 people so we are going to have to fight some monsters that were as tough as the level 40 monsters when we started :P

then again saying that with the amount of dungeons we have i actually wonder if some people will just farm Btryflox hard stop, since that was farmed under 5 mins D: all the way up to 60 :c


EDIT BECUSE I DONT WANNA MAKE A NEW POST o3o:

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Betting the level 50 dungeons will give a very small amount of experience, if any.

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true D: with the amount of level 50 dungeons we have and how some are easily farmed i can only imagine the new level 51 (guessing the level) dungeons being the only true way to gain experience

though i wonder if there will be a daily roulette? and how they will keep that separate from peeps who don't have heavenward

Daily roulette: heavenward?
daily roulette: expert 2.0?

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

i beleave he meant it more as a the time it takes in relevance to where we are, were now I120 to i130 people so we are going to have to fight some monsters that were as tough as the level 40 monsters when we started :P

then again saying that with the amount of dungeons we have i actually wonder if some people will just farm Btryflox hard stop, since that was farmed under 5 mins D: all the way up to 60 :c

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Betting the level 50 dungeons will give a very small amount of experience, if any.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

the question is more, what it's important into a mmorpg, the leveling part or what come after?

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Both. Leveling is content. It should be fun and engaging. It should not be a gate to end-game, because if end-game is "where the fun is" then whats the point of leveling? Teach you how to use your class? Oh yea cuz spamming FATEs is exactly the right way to "learn" your job.

The thing I am more worried about is the job system. Right now you can't just have fun and level up a job you really like to try out. You will always have to level something else because of the cross-ability system we have.

When someone just needs lvl 4 for raging strikes, the next person needs lvl 34 for BfB. It is also not balanced.

We already know that new jobs won't have base classes. I would like to know if they still need other classes to function.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

With a raised level cap, I think we would have all those level 50 dungeons give EXP by then.

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I feel like they do give xp, but is hidden or not accessible, since our level 50 bar don't go past zero xp anyway.

If you look at mobs in, say, North Than. Killing them at Lv50 shows no reference to xp gain, but switching to Lv49 does. So, I believe once the cap is increased, we'll see xp gain from current dungeons.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

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We already know that new jobs won't have base classes. I would like to know if they still need other classes to function.

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The only thing I can think of, is the new jobs will already have cross-class skills assigned. For example:

If Dark Knight (DRK) is to get "Flash" from GLD, it may already unlock upon reaching a certain Level (8+) and need to be set in the Additional menu.

I hope it takes a good while and makes us use the new content to do so.
Otherwise what's even the point of raising the cap?!

If it's just as easy as facerollable 1-50 journey I'd rather just get more endgame content and not have the dev team focus on something people can just smash through barely conscious.

I really hope it takes a lot...

Else, serious troubles could happen....I mean, when I finished leveling all, many people asked me "So what now?"... And that what now is just.. Gear, gear them all... But even if I'm grinding all their relics (Else I'd get bored, and, hey, need to give soldiery some use!) and also grinding crafters and gatherers stuff, all is always reduced to the same, get gear, get gear...

I'd like to see some progression transformed into leveling and get exp, please, make it so level all my clases to 60 will be eventually a challenge and not just a 3-4 weeks task.

Only thing I dislike a lot so far of FFXIV is that the progression is all entirely based in items and gear, except PvP and the skills+traits, but, sadly, they are not doing it to a big scale and also in PvE... We should apply that cool system to improve and personalize, (Wait, have to put the magic word in bold), personalize our skills and traits even more!

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Originally Posted by Seif

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They could do like FFXI:

Quest to break Lv50, then break Lv55. Make them group efforts, not "flag quest-get item off MB-trade item to NPC-quest complete". Make it something like really using your role the way FFXIV taught you when you were doing your class quests (ie CNJ would lose battle if an NPC die because CNJ focused dps on main mob rather than healing NPC).

So, in certain battles, there's something that trigger for each role to handle specifically:
8- to 16-man battle. MT get's protected by the OT from adds.One healer has to focus NPCs' health. DPS can only damage a mob that is of the same class (OT protects MT from strong add while MT tanks boss. Strong mob is DRG, so DRG and tank need to work that add).

If DF, must contain a minimum of one of each job (no classes). Like FATES, you NEED to contribute or you get no credit for the win.

I don't think it will take as long to level from 50-60 as it did from 1-50 but I also don't expect it to be done in an hour either. It will probably take half the time if I were to guess. They'll probably want you hitting level cap by the end of the expansion main story just like 2.0 and I don't expect the expansion story to take as long to complete as 2.0 either.

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Originally Posted by Osiril

While i in the process of lvl-ing all classes i start to wonder if in heavensward there will be same amount of time needed to level 50-60 as in vanila 1-50??
If yes then in case someone dont lvl all classes earlier or simply start the game in Heavensward it will be like double work to do, ind if someone start play Heavensward and want all classes bring from 1-60...... :/

If someone play FFXI can share how that looks like in this previous SE mmo? (i know that FFXI got few rxpansions)

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FFXI got a level cap increase from Vanilla -> Rise of the Zilart, from 50 to 75. This is where NA players began playing, so we always capped at 75. Every expansion after did not raise the cap until Abyssea came out and pushed it to 99. Correct me if I am wrong?

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

I really hope it takes a lot...

Else, serious troubles could happen....I mean, when I finished leveling all, many people asked me "So what now?"... And that what now is just.. Gear, gear them all... But even if I'm grinding all their relics (Else I'd get bored, and, hey, need to give soldiery some use!) and also grinding crafters and gatherers stuff, all is always reduced to the same, get gear, get gear...

I'd like to see some progression transformed into leveling and get exp, please, make it so level all my clases to 60 will be eventually a challenge and not just a 3-4 weeks task.

Only thing I dislike a lot so far of FFXIV is that the progression is all entirely based in items and gear, except PvP and the skills+traits, but, sadly, they are not doing it to a big scale and also in PvE... We should apply that cool system to improve and personalize, (Wait, have to put the magic word in bold), personalize our skills and traits even more!

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I too am hoping for a long level period, but I am not raising my hopes up.

In FFXI, when they originally raised the level cap, each new level added greatly inflated the amount of exp needed to complete. Meanwhile, mobs were dropping the same amount of exp that they always had: Monsters your own level granted 100 exp, and monsters above or below your level raised or decreased the same amount. Essentially, killing a monster (pretty much the only way to gain exp in FFXI at the time) filled a lower and lower percentage of your exp progress-to-next-level bar, the higher level you were. In FFXI, once you reached level 62, you had obtained approximately half the total exp you needed to get to level 75.

I do NOT expect them to follow the same pattern in this game as they did in that. In FFXIV, the game is much more endgame focused. Everything prior to level 50 is pretty much just a tutorial and can be breezed through pretty quickly. I expect the journey to level 60 will be much the same way - just long enough to get folks used to the new abilities and traits they'll get along the way. Very likely, it will be paced just right so that players proceding through the Main Scenario will get most of the exp they need just by doing Main Scenario quests, along with the occasional dungeon (just as was the case for the original Main Scenario with folks on their initial jobs).

Comparing the time it took to level in XI to this game is pretty flawed for numerous reasons, most of which were already posted here but there was an additional thing in XI that made leveling take even longer than just the imbalanced scaling of exp. in FFXI if you died, you lost 10% of your exp for your current level, unless this was mitigated by raise, which we not exactly easy to get back in the day. This made any death super punishing, as you lost exp progress with any death and could even De-level.

im guess we will get job quest at 55 and 60 for new skills and last quest is going to be a battle agains an npc (like the 50 quest for the chest )

Didn't they say that the story will be shorter, and will follow a yearly + patch/3months?

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Originally Posted by myahele

Didn't they say that the story will be shorter, and will follow a yearly + patch/3months?

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I really hope not. This three-month wait between MS updates is getting really old, especially since they never seem to follow through on anything without letting at least one other storyline happen in between. We have so many dangling plot threads going now that I'd really like to see most of them get wrapped up before going back to the episodic format.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

They could do like FFXI:

Quest to break Lv50, then break Lv55. Make them group efforts, not "flag quest-get item off MB-trade item to NPC-quest complete". Make it something like really using your role the way FFXIV taught you when you were doing your class quests (ie CNJ would lose battle if an NPC die because CNJ focused dps on main mob rather than healing NPC).

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The level 50 and 55 quests from Maat are soloable, dont need a party just sneak invis and collect the 3 bits from each area. 55 quests, sneak invis close to the mobs and run past, click the shiny and run out, very short tether on em. Sneak/invis to the next one. Next one is harder as theres a bit of prep work involved for key items. Then they become easier still. Farm them Kindred seals XD

The limit break to 65 quest is soloable also, invis/sneak and watch for those true sight/hear mobs. Last part can just run to the clicky.

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Originally Posted by MetaRed

Comparing the time it took to level in XI to this game is pretty flawed for numerous reasons, most of which were already posted here but there was an additional thing in XI that made leveling take even longer than just the imbalanced scaling of exp. in FFXI if you died, you lost 10% of your exp for your current level, unless this was mitigated by raise, which we not exactly easy to get back in the day. This made any death super punishing, as you lost exp progress with any death and could even De-level.

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It's actually faster to level in XI than it is in XIV now ^_^. You can do 1-99 in one day in a burn party. 1-50 solo with Trust.

Negative thing with old FFXI levelling it promoted certain party setups to maximise XP/hour plus the drama for any wipes caused due to the potential hours you could have lost due to xp loss, especially in the 60s and 70s.

I actually hope they make leveling takes much longer.. Level 50 can be capped very easily in this game

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Originally Posted by Osiril

While i in the process of lvl-ing all classes i start to wonder if in heavensward there will be same amount of time needed to level 50-60 as in vanila 1-50??
If yes then in case someone dont lvl all classes earlier or simply start the game in Heavensward it will be like double work to do, ind if someone start play Heavensward and want all classes bring from 1-60...... :/

If someone play FFXI can share how that looks like in this previous SE mmo? (i know that FFXI got few rxpansions)

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1-50 only takes 3 days at best atm as for 1.0 there are many of us hwo lvl'd everything up while we were still in 1.0 and really wasn't all that hard new players are new players they decide to join the game later they start at the beginning like everyone did

I hope there will be some sort of exp boosting item like the (collectors edition?) had.

still funny coming from a new player asking this question if you dont start the game til later well thats tough you are new and so you shall go through what everyone went through before you .. there is no special pass you want to play this game then play it dont complain about how hard it is to lvl up your classes just lvl them and if not then just be a casual player that is you option as well. everyone should have to go through what people before them went through especially if your trying to play endgame content otherwise whats teh point.. generally endgame players will not have this issue cause they know what they want they come in the game to work hard and they get what they came to get .. without complaints ...

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

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You say that i Complain?? Where did you see that? Was curious what others think it will be cause i clearly point exapmles of ppls who dont have all classes at max or those who start playing in expansion.
Dont worry about me i nealry got all classes at max, but again, want to see what others think about this.
And i'm ready even if 50-60 will take more time than 1-50 and level 3 new classes that way...oh well, all who plan to level new classes will have to do so..
Also, thx for your off-topic, pls stick to thread,not wonder in other way or find another one.

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Originally Posted by DemonFury

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...wat? O.o

Anyways, I will be powerlevelling as fast as humanly possible. I hope the leveling can be done swiftly. I do not enjoy the leveling aspect at all... I just like the power that comes from it (as a BLM).