You know your gear is optimized horribly when..

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03-01-2015, 12:49 AM
Slappah

You know your gear is optimized horribly when..

You have over 570 accuracy as a monk

Am I the only one? :/
03-01-2015, 12:56 AM
File2ish

I think I have less than 400 crit on SCH.

That said, I main WHM and just put whatever gear I had on my WHM on SCH.
03-01-2015, 01:53 AM
HReincarnate

For a while I had more crit on my WHM than my SCH XD
Maining WHM too obviously.
03-01-2015, 03:19 AM
Donjo

Hey, don't worry too much. 570 is just 35 points above the cap, and it'll make it easier for you to sidegrade into BiS later on. Things might be silly if you had over 600 though :)
03-01-2015, 03:49 AM
Slappah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donjo

Hey, don't worry too much. 570 is just 35 points above the cap, and it'll make it easier for you to sidegrade into BiS later on. Things might be silly if you had over 600 though :)

Yeah but that's 35 wasted stat :(
Actually, since I'm not in fcob yet, (or scob for that matter, rip) it's more than just 35

I've been playing since ps4 launch I came directly from WoW where you could change half of a stat to something else on your gear, it was called reforging.
For example. Say you have 50 accuracy on your chest piece, you could reforge the accuracy into something else but only half of it.
So you could turn 50 accuracy into 25 acc+25crit.

I raided and PvP'd hardcore and had my stats at an exact point of where they needed to be.
Exactly at accuracy cap, exactly at my haste breakpoint, rest mastery/crit

So playing this where I have tons of wasted stats and hand me down CT gear (I call CT the equivalent of LFR) makes me sad

Hopefully I can manage to get a static so I can start getting good gear and not have this accuracy be wasted.
03-01-2015, 03:50 AM
gamesmart

My SMN had 626 accuracy once. (I main BLM)
03-01-2015, 03:51 AM
Slappah

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamesmart

My SMN had 626 accuracy once. (I main BLM)

That sounds worse than having a lot of spell speed
03-01-2015, 03:53 AM
Warlyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappah

Yeah but that's 35 wasted stat :(
Actually, since I'm not in fcob yet, (or scob for that matter, rip) it's more than just 35

I've been playing since ps4 launch I came directly from WoW where you could change half of a stat to something else on your gear, it was called reforging.

wow removed reforge u know :P

but yeah i feel your pain....i would love see reforge here , but i will prefer if stats werent wasted like S.Speed :( and how SE loves to put it on every piece of gear (weapons for jobs that despise it for example)
03-01-2015, 03:56 AM
Slappah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warlyx

wow removed reforge u know :P

but yeah i feel your pain....i would love see reforge here , but i will prefer if stats werent wasted like S.Speed :( and how SE loves to put it on every piece of gear (weapons for jobs that despise it for example)

I heard they did. Kind of silly but that's WoW for ya. I quit before WoD launched so I have no experience with that expansion.

I think they removed snapshotting too and for someone who mained an affliction warlock that hit me right in the feels
03-01-2015, 04:04 AM
aisustrong

gotta make extra sure youre punching the correct butt, right down to the hair on the cheek
03-01-2015, 04:09 AM
Staris

reforge pointless anyway because new raids would just be balanced based on the assumption people reforged.
It's only the illusion of increased effectiveness.
03-01-2015, 04:12 AM
Slappah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staris

reforge pointless anyway because new raids would just be balanced based on the assumption people reforged.
It's only the illusion of increased effectiveness.

While this is true, I wouldn't say it was completely pointless as it let you turn a bad piece of gear into a somewhat decent piece.
03-01-2015, 04:17 AM
Songi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappah

You have over 570 accuracy as a monk

Am I the only one? :/

I have 560 accuracy as a NIN thanks to never seeing a single NIN drop in T11. Not a big deal really, just means I don't have to rely on food to meet accuracy cap.
03-01-2015, 04:28 AM
PArcher

Am I the only on who noticed the op is only using poetics gear?

You're not supposed to use just one set for optimization, you mix and match both sets of 130 gear. No optimization for anyone unless they've done at least some FCoB (job dependant for how far you need to go in FCoB fit your best gear)
03-01-2015, 08:27 AM
Donjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappah

Yeah but that's 35 wasted stat :(

Again, don't worry too much. Secondary Stats are nearly meaningless in this game. They only even think about surpassing Main Stats if you put absurd amounts of them on meldable gear. Those 35 points of secondaries amount to a mere 7-8 Strength.

Note: To preempt the "but 35 Determination is 12 Strength!" argument, it's necessary to note that you can't compare 35 Accuracy to 35 Determination. Determination is weighted higher than accuracy on gear, so you're actually comparing 35 Accuracy to 24-25 Determination.
03-01-2015, 08:41 AM
FoxyAreku

Quote:

Originally Posted by File2ish

I think I have less than 400 crit on SCH.

That said, I main WHM and just put whatever gear I had on my WHM on SCH.

How is that even possible?
Does none of your gear have crit on it at all? I think the base crit is 340 something lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donjo

Secondary Stats are nearly meaningless in this game.

It really bothers me when people say this.
Crit is a very important stat because there are classes that just outright suck without it, and determination is 0.325 of a main stat which adds up a LOT.
The only stat that is meaningless is skill speed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staris

reforge pointless anyway because new raids would just be balanced based on the assumption people reforged.
It's only the illusion of increased effectiveness.

What does that really mean though?
At worst they'd put a little more health on bosses. I'd rather be able to reforge all spell speed off summoner lol.
03-01-2015, 08:48 AM
Sapphic

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

The only stat that is meaningless is skill speed.

Not upto a point for MNK and WAR. For MNK it allows me to get full initial startup in under perfect balance. Also theres a threshold for WAR that allows an extra hit under berserk.
03-01-2015, 08:57 AM
FoxyAreku

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphic

Not upto a point for MNK and WAR. For MNK it allows me to get full initial startup in under perfect balance. Also theres a threshold for WAR that allows an extra hit under berserk.

ah yes, I forgot about that.
But still, it's not something you want a lot of, and can actually be detrimental to your DPS in coil if you have too much. It's quite silly haha.
03-01-2015, 09:07 AM
Donjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

It really bothers me when people say this.
Crit is a very important stat because there are classes that just outright suck without it, and determination is 0.325 of a main stat which adds up a LOT.
The only stat that is meaningless is skill speed.

It bothers you because it is true. I would assume that the jobs you're thinking of when you mention Crit are Bard and Scholar.

Regarding Scholar:

Healers are terrible examples for this argument because the secondaries are actually meaningless for them. Although, a better word might be unnecessary. A healer can heal a fight just fine if they:

- Do not crit a single time
- Take 2.00 seconds to cast every healing spell
- Heal for 50 less HP per cast than stacking Determination provides

Regarding Bard:

Critical Hits are definitely useful to them. This is why they have Straight Shot and Internal Release. They crit enough even if you don't stack the stat.

Regarding Determination:

Determination is weighted higher on gear distribution than Crit or Skill Speed is. On average, you'll find approximately 30% less Determination on piece of gear than an equivalent amount of Crit or Speed. When comparing the stats, you should compare 44 of a stat to 31 Determination, or 31 of a stat to 22 Determination. If you do this, you'll find that Determination is almost equal to Crit in many cases. It's often the best stat to stack anyway, but it's not nearly as good as people think it is.
03-01-2015, 09:18 AM
Sapphic

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

ah yes, I forgot about that.
But still, it's not something you want a lot of, and can actually be detrimental to your DPS in coil if you have too much. It's quite silly haha.

Well supposably they are relooking at SKS SPS for 3.0 to make them as viable as other secondaries. Also, I can see secondaries weight changing due to higher caps with gear @ level 60. Especially if there is ultimatelly some form of soft/hard cap.
03-01-2015, 09:19 AM
Sapphic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donjo

Determination is weighted higher on gear distribution than Crit or Skill Speed is. On average, you'll find approximately 30% less Determination on piece of gear than an equivalent amount of Crit or Speed. When comparing the stats, you should compare 44 of a stat to 31 Determination, or 31 of a stat to 22 Determination. If you do this, you'll find that Determination is almost equal to Crit in many cases. It's often the best stat to stack anyway, but it's not nearly as good as people think it is.

From testing 30 crit=1%crit chance.
03-01-2015, 09:20 AM
CGMidlander

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Originally Posted by Slappah

Actually, since I'm not in fcob yet, (or scob for that matter, rip)

Well no wonder then. There's not a lot of room to optimize if you only have access to tomestone/ct gear.

EDIT: That said,
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PUV6
5 acc above flank cap for T13.
Better get hunting. :p
03-01-2015, 09:24 AM
Donjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphic

From testing 30 crit=1%crit chance.

It's that low? I thought it was 15 or so points per 1%(0.065% rate per point).
03-01-2015, 09:36 AM
Slappah

Well I actually cleared t5 a bit ago and I'm now working on scob so that's good at least
03-01-2015, 09:45 AM
Ryans

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

It really bothers me when people say this.
Crit is a very important stat because there are classes that just outright suck without it, and determination is 0.325 of a main stat which adds up a LOT.

People say they are useless because it doesn't truly matter what 130 gear you get as long as you aren't way over the acc cap. All the gear has the exact same stat values per piece of gear and the only difference is the ~.01 dps per point between the stats. You can stack whatever stat you want and still perform fairly similarly to any other of the same job at the same ilvl and player skill.
03-01-2015, 10:32 AM
Judge_Xero

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donjo

It's that low? I thought it was 15 or so points per 1%(0.065% rate per point).

No you're right. It"s 14-15/1%
03-01-2015, 10:42 AM
Lego3400

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Originally Posted by Slappah

I heard they did. Kind of silly but that's WoW for ya. I quit before WoD launched so I have no experience with that expansion.

I think they removed snapshotting too and for someone who mained an affliction warlock that hit me right in the feels

They also removed all the stats people used Reforge for (Hit Expertise etc.)
03-01-2015, 10:48 AM
Kogasan

I have over 550 acc on my bard is that bad
03-01-2015, 11:34 AM
Slappah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lego3400

They also removed all the stats people used Reforge for (Hit Expertise etc.)

That's not the only thing I reforged for. I reforged to hit certain haste breakpoints and to change crit to mastery or haste to mastery, etc

Bit yeah, the hit cap I didn't mind seeing go. Although as I said above, I didn't play the xpac to see how it went.