So there are players that are using an app to predict numbers in the mini cactpot games and getting 1k-10k MGP every time by using the results from it, there's several variations of it on reddit (which I won't link) and It frazzles my mind on how people just can't do these games for "fun" and has to resort to an app doing the work for them.
If any GM or someone could respond would this be considered cheating by running an app to give an advantage over others in the cactpot games?
[GM Response] Would this be considered "Cheating"?
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02-27-2015, 04:34 PMKodiHivaer[GM Response] Would this be considered "Cheating"?
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02-27-2015, 04:45 PMnyttyn
There is literally no way for you or anyone else to provide sufficient evidence that someone was using these programs in the first place (at least, not under Square Enix's definitions). In addition, it's not cheating, it's literally the same thing as a (albiet, highly specialized and already set up to do the hard work for you) calculator. Calculators aren't cheating under any sense of the word, and it kind of boggles my mind as to why you would think it would be cheating.
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02-27-2015, 04:51 PMruskie
The only way they would be cheating is if reading memory and providing a full picture of all the numbers. If it's just predicting the various possible combinations it's the same as you are doing by using your brain. Or do you just randomly scratch stuff? I mean it's like ok I'm looking for a 6... I'll check this spot... a 9... ok all lines with that are a non option then. Ow a 1 here's potential let's look at one more - ahh that line won't work due to that nine, and that 5 that was already opened removes that line... so that leaves these 2... nope this one has a 7 behind it... let's go with the other one then...
I mean if you are too lazy to use your brain and rely on an app to do those perdictions for you then I feel pity for you. It's fun trying to figure it out. -
02-27-2015, 05:50 PMHysterior
not cheating
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02-27-2015, 06:41 PMTeppie
Some people like a nice long grind, others like the past of least resistance. I can't see myself using such an app (Really untrusting of all the programs out there) but I can totally get why others would.
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02-27-2015, 08:03 PMKalandros
Its just a probability calculator and honestly, its pure simple logic...
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02-27-2015, 08:23 PMFelisBecause they suck in calculating? ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Teppie
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02-27-2015, 10:49 PMTiggyThere is a web version. Don't have to download a thing so it won't matter if you trust it or not. No risk of anything happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teppie
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02-27-2015, 10:58 PMThirdChild_ZKI
I wasn't paying attention and randomly ended up picking 3 numbers that lined up diagonally for one of the nicer MGP prizes today (and I'm ashamed I had to actually do finger-math to add it. . .). Assuming there are no repeat numbers on the 3x3, I think (someone smarter than I) could easily figure it out.
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02-27-2015, 11:02 PMSpawnie
really any1 who needs to use an app for mini catpot mustnt be the brightest lightbulb in the pack... its easy to figure out if you can win or not after 3 simple clicks lolz
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02-28-2015, 12:13 AMAsheilin
Some people suck at math. Problem? no. Cheating to use Math Assistance? Hell no.
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02-28-2015, 12:27 AMLinadaeSome people are bad at math, it's not criminal, it doesn't make them learning impaired. It just means their strengths likely lie elsewhere. I've always suffered in math but my literary, history, and science (provided the science isn't theoretical in nature) skills have always tested off the charts. People are naturally hardwired to be better at certain things. My brother for instance, is amazing at math and anything technical but cannot focus long enough to read a book or write an essay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawnie
So you do people a disservice by calling them stupid because they have trouble in math. -
02-28-2015, 12:58 AMDante_V
Not cheating at all. And someone using an app of this sort in no way affects you or your gaming experience what so ever.
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02-28-2015, 01:42 AMRisvertasashiThese apps (I do use them, thanks for your pity I guess?) are literally probability calculators. You input the knowns, it does Math™ to give you the best chance. Key word is chance. Contrary to what the OP said, it's not guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruskie
It's nothing you couldn't do with a TI-83, four function calculator, or even just pen and paper if you cared to. The apps, as others have said, just do the heavy lifting for you. -
02-28-2015, 05:01 AMColorOfSakuraIt's literally a probability calculator. It's nothing you can't already do in your head. I won 10k MGP on my first try with the Mini Cactpot simply by scratching off specific spots and figuring out in my head where I'd have the highest possibility of getting the 10k. Not cheating. It's just math.Quote:
Originally Posted by KodiHivaer
Cheating would be scraping the game memory to find EXACTLY what spaces on your card had what numbers. But this doesn't do this, it just gives you a reasonable guess at your best chance. -
02-28-2015, 05:20 AMWelsper59
The program that people use is a simple prediction (see probability) tool. Essentially, predictability and counting skills will yield you the same results. It's like using a calculator to save you time when working with numbers, except unlike the calculator, the tool here can be wrong.
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02-28-2015, 05:27 AMDracotheDragon
why do people need a app for this?
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i'm going for the 1 and 3 every time the chance of me getting 10K is 20%
1/5 chances is such a broad chance that it is more worth it and if it isn't then 40% is me losing 1/4 of the 100 i spent the remaining 20% gives me 700 so its a win either way -
02-28-2015, 05:41 AMAshkendorSome people just aren't very good at math/probability. *shrugs*Quote:
Originally Posted by DracotheDragon
Not to mention it's not always that clear which you should pick. -
02-28-2015, 05:42 AMWelsper59It can be helpful in the more common occurrences of number distribution, where the 1-3 or 7-9 numbers don't show up aligned together (or at all in reveal attempts). I've only had one instance so far where 1-2-3 were possible (and I won that one), all other cards I've had had a somewhat low max turn out. 2 of them were under max yield of 400 (most being under 100), and the last was a max of around 1000 with all other possible rewards being low hundreds or double digits. The numbers on most of the cards were scattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by DracotheDragon