Relic in Heavensward

I've heard rumors about this, I'm wondering if anyone can link to information about it...

Is the relic quest going to continue in the expansion? I always thought they'd never do that but it seems they might? Where is the information about this?

If it continues will it be from the last step and just continue to increase item level?

If they really like this type of quest line I'd much rather they add an entirely new quest with a new weapon not related to the current relic. This would make it easier for new players, returning players, or anyone that wants to change class in the expansion. :X Please don't be mad at me, I know all you who've grinded this are very defensive of it. I realize it was a lot of work, but it's just my opinion.

I don't personally have a source for this, as I've only heard it through hearsay, but at some point, I've been told that Yoshi stated that current Relics would be used for something in the expansion. That might just be some sort of title or for glamour possibilities, though. If they do in fact continue the questline in Heavensward, I imagine all present steps would be greatly simplified and shortened as much as possible.

I don't have a source beyond what I have heard in LS chatter.

There will be a new 'relic' weapon available in Heavenward. The current Zeta is the last form of the zodiac weapon arc (or there is 1 more upgrade for it, this discussion was before this week's patch, so not sure if the 'one more upgrade' refers to Zeta phase or not).

They said those who have completed their zodiacs would not be forgotten, and given a 'head's start' in the new relic weapon progression.

Wish I had the source on this, as the LS chat we were having pple sounding like they were reading it directly from a dev note or letter. I think there is something floating around on this.

Whatever it ends up being, I just hope it's not a super-grindy, gil-bought super weapon that outdoes everything. I mean, yes, the Relic must and WILL be good, but please no more easy routes to best weapons. Please note, I'm not saying "make everyone clear Alexander Hard Mode!", but I just disagree with the idea that people can avoid almost any and all penultimate challenges in the game and get a weapon on par with/better than raid weapons. Or worse, spam Garuda HM for a day or two and attain a weapon others might have braved Final Coil for weeks for.

I think their logic is such that with new zones - including new leveling methods/areas said zones provide, 3 new jobs, and (SE hopes)the wave of new subscribers that it doesn't make sense to have players reaching 50 go back and do old content for a weapon starting at ilvl80.

I wonder will drk/mch/ast even have a zodiac weapon? (Assuming there is indeed a new relic weapon quest arc being introduced).

If 3.0 is a substantial change from 2.0 as they claim it will be, keeping relic involve the large grind of 2.x content seems a bit of a contradiction.

All is guessing, but if the expansion adds new content without eliminating previous one, the relic quest will probably exist, only made quicker on the last steps that are the only ones that are not relatively quick to do. The relic weapon, at least the first part, is nearly part of the main story since the job quests speak about it, it drives you to do the HM primals and some dungeons too.

I suppose the ones who have the last step of the relic will have some advantage for the new weapon quest in Heavensward, if it is not required for it. The relic will probably be quite quick to do, but it's playable content, why eliminate it?

Up to now there has been always a grindy but not very difficult way to get a good weapon (relic), and they also have added other ways to get good weapons (the ilvl110 ones are fine for all content except maybe the hardest now), and the best one is the drop of the hardest raid. Usually people who do that hardest raid when it is new content have the latest upgrade of the relic or are working on it.

Probably there will be a similar quest, it's like a tradition, and there will be other ways to get good weapons apart from the also traditional drop of the last hardest instance. As the game advances, there are more and more options.

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Whatever it ends up being, I just hope it's not a super-grindy, gil-bought super weapon that outdoes everything. I mean, yes, the Relic must and WILL be good, but please no more easy routes to best weapons. Please note, I'm not saying "make everyone clear Alexander Hard Mode!", but I just disagree with the idea that people can avoid almost any and all penultimate challenges in the game and get a weapon on par with/better than raid weapons. Or worse, spam Garuda HM for a day or two and attain a weapon others might have braved Final Coil for weeks for.

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Which has been its method since all updates beyond mythos, when it use to be the original top tier allagan. I wouldn't bring myself to be so distraught about it so early though, since keep in mind, this expansion does include a rise in level cap. I don't believe they'd follow such an identical formula with that in mind, since that expansion will give them a great deal more room to work with.

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that the Relic will continue in patch 3.1. So there won't be a next step when Heavensward launches, but it will continue in the first update patch. Whether it's a continuation of the current relic or a new one from scratch is another issue. But when you get your Zeta it does tell you that the Zodiac Saga is over.

I originally liked the Relic quest. The initial finding and restoring of it, and even facing down the (at the time) biggest, non-raiding challenges of the game felt more involved, and better thought out. Maybe it wasn't all that long or difficult for the most part, but it certainly wasn't the bitter pill that Atma and several other steps of the Zodiac saga were. Even the conversion joke when you go to turn it into its Zodiac form was in rather bad taste.

So for that, I'd welcome a new relic quest, but if it winds up anything like the previous one, I'll wash my hands of it in a heartbeat. I threw out 4 Zenith relics yesterday and felt nothing for it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...erview_for_25/

Old interview, but they do touch on Zodiac in 3.0 (or their feelings on it at that point in time).

Yoshi-P's statement was translated from Japanese in the comments of the post.

Edit: Sounds like either a new relic quest arc, OR zodiac progression, but those not at the final phase (zeta) will be given an upgrade that puts them at the same progression as the Zodiac holders. (since lvl cap is going up to 60, it's a new grind no matter how you slice it)

Edit 2: better translation here: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124...-2.5?p=6330808

Thanks for the link Xeno.
Personally I can't tell what he is exactly saying in that quote, it seems very wishy washy. First it seems like they are saying the quest wont continue, but then they seem to be sayings it is a possibility. I wish they'd just give a straight answer. Hopefully if they havent made a decision yet they do soon and then tell us. The best thing to me would be if they made an entirely new quest. Maybe people who have their Z can skip a step of the first quest or something, idk. But in other games (::cough::wow::cough:: [please dont jump on me, yes I play multiple mmos]) the closest equivalent to this zodiac weapon is a legendary, and you just get a pat on the back for completing that. It's useful for the current tier and then it's done and you get bragging rights for having it but not much else.

Tiva If SE just Give people who completed the quest a pat on the back, then I can guarantee you only One of two things will happen come 3.1 none of the ppl that did the 2.0 relic quest and completed it will do the 3.0 one due to same shit will happen come 4.0, it's way too much work (grind) for just add a boy!! Second it will be the same shit will happen again the same ppl that complain now will fall behind in 3.0 quest line and complain agin. I don't know why people keep thinking the expansion will bring a lot of new people because I really don't think it will most it will do is bring a few thousands but what it will do is have all if not most of the people that bought 2.0 and left the game to try it again and they will probably leave again due to the shit still smell the same just different paint.

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Tiva If SE just Give people who completed the quest a pat on the back...

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Zeta is currently BiS, and at various times throughout 2.x relic has been BiS or arguably close. It has served it's role

the hamster wheel gear progression has been going on forever, I don't see how this is some bitter pill for some to swallow

The expansion is raising the lvl cap. The next relic grind will involve increasing the weapon lvl (not ilvl, it's regular lvl) from 50 to 60.

Perhaps those who've reached novus phase will get to keep their secondary attributes choices(as picking which secondaries you want is the real/only advantage to relic).

Really though I don't think <<Z>> holders should expect much, you're only going to be disappointed.

Xenosan I have nothing agaist relic in fact I have 3 at zodiac stage working on all getting to zeta stage, what I'm getting at is there will be a lot of pis off people if SE just drop this relic for a new quest/weapon/w/e you want to call it in 3.1 and not continue this one in 3.1. If they did that your better off farming w/e ex primal weapon is best at that time than to waste countless hours upgrading a weapon you know will be disgaurded come 4.0.

Popular theory out there is that there will be a new relic. Having the old one would essentially give players a head start, and those without may/may not get a boost to the new relic's entry level (that is to say, perhaps either through a super-simplification of the previous relic's steps, or perhaps a literal boost in the form of an "Unfinished Relic Zeta" or some such thing). But to keep the current quest model that they have? No thanks. I passed on this one, and I'd surely pass on the next one.

Make Alexander easy mode drop tons of atmas, alexandrites and maybe even books.
Problem solved.

I think for a business perspective SE would be a little dumb to make the relic continue with no form of massive catch up. At the end of the day they are company that needs to make money. They have already lasted much longer than I anticipated with paid sub, I hope that continues a long time. But that will only happen if they have a large group of players. How can they get more players? Mostly new players are attracted by expansions. And what's a great way to discourage new players? Keeping the relic quest as it currently is. It's a huge hurdle for new players or returning players. I have a group of friends considering returning and they are all still from relic zenith. They downed t5 and then got bored of the game for lack of content and went back to raid in other games. Now that SE is producing more content they are interested in playing again, but not if they need to grind a million relic steps just to be competitive in Heavensward. I'm sure others will think similarly.

you can actually know the answer without them posting any info on it, we'll get new relics, it makes no sense to do a year on the 3 new classes to get to the point of last current relic weapon and then another long tiem grinding for the new relics.. they would get way too many complaints to avoid that they obviously make a new quest line, would make it more fair to the 3 newer classes aswell..