Triple Triad [QOL fixes]

I'm loving XIV's triple triad but I'v ran into a few QOL annoyances, generally outside of the game.

Deck Saving - Controller

When compiling a deck the only way to save is to go down the far left then hit save, this usually means going through 6 of 7 columns before you get to the button. I feel hitting O should give you option to save or leave without saving instead of making you manually move over to the save button.

Deck Choosing

When your farming NPC's for cards it becomes natural to get into the rhythm of spamming X through menu's, or pressing up once and hitting recommended instead of deck 5, this leads instantly into said deck being selected. A confirmation window should appear to question your decisions, maybe with a don't show again check box for those who prefer the insta-select

NPC markers

When you beat an NPC they lose their marker on the map and over their head, this means you can't find them again without outside information, would be especially problematic after a long break. Especially if your farming NPC's who are only available to play at certain times. Instead of disappearing it should just be replaced with a green tick version for quicker visabillity when refinding the NPCS.

MGP Visibility [Gold Saucer QOL]

Seeing the amount of MGP you have obtained is more difficult than need be, a UI element like the gil one would be incredibly useful.

Forfeit

If you start a match you are locked in until it ends, this means if a duty finder window pops as you start a game of TT you may have difficulty finishing before the timer runs out, to combat this the ability for forfeit a match and the entry fee should be added.

General Ideas

100% drop

A big part of VIII was every victory led to a card in your possession, whether it was good or bad, with the amount of MGP that needs to be farmed NPC's should be given a 100% chance of dropping a card, this would have to go hand in hand with giving each npc a few more cards to drop that are worthless but at least add to the over MGP you can gain

Played cards drop increase

Another part of TT in VIII was if you wanted a rare card they had to play it, this led to farming until it found it's way into their hand. (that poor kid with moggle, may aswell have taken his lunch money while i was at it). If a card that can be dropped as a reward from the npc is in their hand it's drop rate should increase by a noticable amount (5% give or take)

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...L-Info-request

I think TT is working fine. Only thing I would change is the MGP display. Generally I don't find it takes more than a few wins to get an NPC's card drop. Its not annoying. 100% would almost be unfun.

However I did have to buy about 25 bronze packs to get behemoth that was pretty annoying.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I think TT is working fine. Only thing I would change is the MGP display. Generally I don't find it takes more than a few wins to get an NPC's card drop. Its not annoying. 100% would almost be unfun.

However I did have to buy about 25 bronze packs to get behemoth that was pretty annoying.

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Well most of the points were about the the prep and set up being made a bit smoother, the game itself is bang on. the 100% drop rate was just an idea in regards to always dropping a card, so someone who costs 10MGP will always drop at least a 1 star card, but then sometimes may drop the card your after (same drop rate), then someone who costs 30MGP will always drop at least a 2 star and so on, it's just a way to help with the massive GP farm.

but rare cards should always be rare, it'd just be nice to see cards drop after every win, even if they are just starter cards.

I agree that there needs to be a forfeit option. I'd also like MGP to be added to the currency tab in the character info screen.

Good suggestions!

A chocobo racing QOL change for controllers.

allow us to change to button needed to sprint, because L1 means you can't look around without zooming in the camera which is incredibly aggrevating.

Remove the pre-nerf atma like drop rate on NPC drops.

If my DF queue pops and I'm in the middle of a triple triad game, I just treat it like a speed round to see how quickly my reflexes produce an advantageous match. I have won a few games against NPCs within the 45 second timer by doing this because trial queues are popping fast again.

Not saying your idea isn't a good one, but really, what do you have to lose? Just see how quickly you can get a win! If you fail, your only out like 10-20 GP anyway. With forfeit your out the whole entry fee, and you can easily finish a game (even one with same/plus rules with slow, exaggerated card flips and Combo prompts) within the 45 seconds, even when initiating the game right before the queue pops.


I 100% agree about the TT icon over NPC's heads. Would be difficult to implement to the few NPC's who already have an icon over their head though...

I had no idea you could play against Rowena, Miounne or Momodi until I looked it up today, because they already have specific icons over their head. Good ol' Baderon doesn't have anything interesting about him :\

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

If my DF queue pops and I'm in the middle of a triple triad game, I just treat it like a speed round to see how quickly my reflexes produce an advantageous match. I have won a few games against NPCs within the 45 second timer by doing this because trial queues are popping fast again.

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When this issue became apparent to me the DF popped at the exact moment I got onto the select deck menu, obviously I messed around a few seconds to try and leave but then went into speed round mode, but didn't manage to get out in time.

Please remove that ridiculous rarity rule for decks. I finally got a couple of great cards, Terra & Ulty in one drop. I was happy until I tried to add both in my deck. Now I don't give a s*** about collecting any more.

Edit: I'm always open for compromise. Perhaps make 1 & 2-star cards unlimited right from the start. If not, then I can think of better things to do than be steamrolled by cheating NPCs.

I'd really like to be allowed to play within FC and personal houses. There's really no motivation for our members to ever go indoors, I think it would be fun for everyone to come inside and play with each other.

My QoL wishlist (All controller based)-

1) Card control: The way it works now has a lot of time wasting elements to it. It should be X to select the card, the card automatically moves to the first board space, and you can only move through the 9 spaces, and hit O to cancel and choose another. There's no reason I should be able to move my card onto the spaces of my opponents hand.

2) Cursor placement: It would be nice if the cursor reset to the initial card in my hand after every move I make, and automatically moved to the board when I selected a card to play. being able to move the cursor around is nice during my opponent's turn (to see the card names), but during my turn, time's a-waistin', and I don't even get that long during my opponent's move to think. Which brings me to...

3) Play timer: I get why, and understand why when you are farming for cards, it would be a benefit for the game to go fast, but when starting out, the NPC play REALLY fast EVERY turn, meaning you have less time to survey the board like you would against another person. Perhaps a slightly slower speed of NPC play with a toggle to enable "Fast Play Rules" to tell the AI whether or not to think about their moves would be nice. Then the AI could spend a slightly randomized amount of time to "consider" their moves, to simulate human play speed.

Fix random rule so it is fair vs npc's. When they pull from a pool of no more than 8 cards they ALWAYS get their high teir ones, with 35 cards (2x 5*, 2x 4*,7x 3*, rest 2* and below) I generally get decks full of 1 and 2 star cards which then make it absolutely impossible to even draw the game. Furthermore since a 3* counts as the "high value card" most of the time I will get a 3 star and then the random can only allocate 2 and 1 stars once again giving me something like ifrit and a bunch of low cards against ifrit, titan, odin and bahamut.

Atleast with random games only can't you remove the card cap so perhaps I atleast have the chance to luck into a decent hand, because currently I need to not only luck a high value card which is an 11/35 chance (4/35 if you discount 3 stars since the npc's deck is mostly 3 star anyway so it is not much of an advantage)

I played against Landenel 16 times (Random and Fallen Ace rules, he also has no aces so the rule only counts against you) 10 losses, 5 draws, 1 win. I got a 5 star card on that only win and on all the losses my highest was a 3 star card. it is completely imbalanced.

Finally the rewards for beating them are too low, with such a low chance of success for a 25 cost to play, 21 for a draw and 53 for a win when compared to playing the king in gold saucer where you profit even in a draw and he is incredibly easy compared to that.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Deck Choosing

When your farming NPC's for cards it becomes natural to get into the rhythm of spamming X through menu's, or pressing up once and hitting recommended instead of deck 5, this leads instantly into said deck being selected. A confirmation window should appear to question your decisions, maybe with a don't show again check box for those who prefer the insta-select

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also make it possible to change the positions of the decks in the list

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Originally Posted by 10TailBeast

Please remove that ridiculous rarity rule for decks. I finally got a couple of great cards, Terra & Ulty in one drop. I was happy until I tried to add both in my deck. Now I don't give a s*** about collecting any more.

Edit: I'm always open for compromise. Perhaps make 1 & 2-star cards unlimited right from the start. If not, then I can think of better things to do than be steamrolled by cheating NPCs.

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1 star cards are unlimited right from the start.

2 star cards become unlimited as soon as you collect 30 unique cards.

3 star cards become unlimited as soon as you collect 60 unique cards.

Just in case you didn't know. Your deck will open up for better possibilities you just have to work at it. As of this patch, however, you will never be able to have more than 1 4 or 5 star card in your deck at any time. But it has to be like this, because when tournament play comes around there won't be healthy competition if everyone has decks stacked with 5 5star cards lol.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

1 star cards are unlimited right from the start.

2 star cards become unlimited as soon as you collect 30 unique cards.

3 star cards become unlimited as soon as you collect 60 unique cards.

Just in case you didn't know. Your deck will open up for better possibilities you just have to work at it. As of this patch, however, you will never be able to have more than 1 4 or 5 star card in your deck at any time. But it has to be like this, because when tournament play comes around there won't be healthy competition if everyone has decks stacked with 5 5star cards lol.

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There are a good many rules that would balance high value decks. The easiest to beat NPCs actually have some of the(if not -the) best decks around.

For the difficulty of viewing the MGP currency they could add it to the click-through rotation on the gil HUD element. Currently if you click on your gil on the HUD (defaults to bottom right) it switches to display your GC seals instead. It would be great if we could have MGP added to that for easy viewing when in the saucer. :)

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

There are a good many rules that would balance high value decks. The easiest to beat NPCs actually have some of the(if not -the) best decks around.

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Absolutely, but those rules don't balance anything out when both decks are stacked....they are there to help you beat great decks when you have crap lol.

The combined power rating on 4 and 5 star cards is much higher than 3 stars and below. If you were allowed to have 5 5star cards, every single card in your deck would have either 2 A's or 1 A/1 9, and Reverse or Fallen Ace would just make you play your cards differently, not strategize with different combinations of cards.

People would get their legendaries and work with the rules around their cards, instead of working their cards around the rules. The way TT is set up in this game is perfect, IMO. You have to choose the legendary you want to use and build a deck that complements your choice. And having access to 5 decks makes the options much more vast.

Controller usability for Triple Triad could use some work all-around.

1. Since we have to select a card on each turn anyway, why not automatically return our cursor to our deck? That's 3 to 7 less D-pad presses right there.

2. Analog stick cursor control would minimize button presses even further. You can't move in the middle of a Triple Triad game anyway, so the left analog stick is going to waste. I would love to use a super-fast cursor like this that gets close to emulating a mouse.

I will also join the chorus of player voices requesting a Forfeit button. Let's speed things along instead of requiring dozens of button presses / actions when a loss is guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Deck Saving - Controller

When compiling a deck the only way to save is to go down the far left then hit save, this usually means going through 6 of 7 columns before you get to the button. I feel hitting O should give you option to save or leave without saving instead of making you manually move over to the save button.

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Many other windows use the Y button for auto saving. This should be implemented here as well sice I've had the same annoyance with saving.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Deck Choosing

When your farming NPC's for cards it becomes natural to get into the rhythm of spamming X through menu's, or pressing up once and hitting recommended instead of deck 5, this leads instantly into said deck being selected. A confirmation window should appear to question your decisions, maybe with a don't show again check box for those who prefer the insta-select

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I wouldn't like a confirmation box at all. Just another thing to slow me down. The system should instead default select the last deck you used.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

NPC markers

When you beat an NPC they lose their marker on the map and over their head, this means you can't find them again without outside information, would be especially problematic after a long break. Especially if your farming NPC's who are only available to play at certain times. Instead of disappearing it should just be replaced with a green tick version for quicker visabillity when refinding the NPCS.

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Completely agreed.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

MGP Visibility [Gold Saucer QOL]

Seeing the amount of MGP you have obtained is more difficult than need be, a UI element like the gil one would be incredibly useful.

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Seems reasonable, but I think there is a larger currency issue in this game. We've got Ventures, and MGP, oaknots that all act as currency but aren't on the currency screen. Two of them are even inventory hogging items.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Forfeit

If you start a match you are locked in until it ends, this means if a duty finder window pops as you start a game of TT you may have difficulty finishing before the timer runs out, to combat this the ability for forfeit a match and the entry fee should be added.

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A forfeit button should absolutely be added.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

100% drop

A big part of VIII was every victory led to a card in your possession, whether it was good or bad, with the amount of MGP that needs to be farmed NPC's should be given a 100% chance of dropping a card, this would have to go hand in hand with giving each npc a few more cards to drop that are worthless but at least add to the over MGP you can gain

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Not sure how I feel about this. It would just devalue a lot of cards, but perhaps that's what we need.

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Originally Posted by JakzChurchill

Played cards drop increase

Another part of TT in VIII was if you wanted a rare card they had to play it, this led to farming until it found it's way into their hand. (that poor kid with moggle, may aswell have taken his lunch money while i was at it). If a card that can be dropped as a reward from the npc is in their hand it's drop rate should increase by a noticable amount (5% give or take)

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Not sure about this either. I think if it dropped a card always I'd be fine with this still being RNG.

After a duel ends prompt a window saying if you want to use same deck or not and reenter. When you are farming for example the Imperial, or even more crucial limited time of GC NPCs, it is so annoying to have to do many clicks to re-duel.

As is now is: get prize > re-duel > select deck (from 1 to 4 with gamepad) > start [3-7 Clicks!]

If you add something like: Duel is over. Do you wish to reuse same deck? (Yes or No or End button on window)
If is Yes the next duel would start, if is No would go to to deck selection, if was End would close everything and stop interaction with NPC.

This could make duels going faster with just one click instead 3-7.

I am used to duel from yu-gi-oh but can be called match or whatever you see fit. Same for the message as long lead to this is a good improvement.

Edit: I saw this wasn't on Gold Saucer subforum so I made 1 thread there: link to go to the thread.