Since the introduction of primal ponies and CT minions that are untradeable, I've seen no effort by SE to correct this issue that allows players to grief farming parties. We can't roll on items we currently possess in our inventory, so why is it allowed that players can roll, accidentally or intentionally, on untradeable mounts/minions they already own?
Additionally, can a GM chime in as to whether this is considered a TOS violation under harassment?
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02-14-2015, 03:52 AMJodouWhy are Untradeable Mounts/Minions Lootable by Players that have them?
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02-14-2015, 04:01 AMWelsper59Just like "early pull" complaints with hunts, it isn't so much a matter of what is on the line, as is what the players intentional actions are. If they're doing it to grief and harass you, then yes, it's reportable. There needs to be proof of such things though. If they hinted at it or outright brag about it (some trolls are that stupid), then you're good to go. I got some stupid troll on my server temp banned for the "early pull" thing, not because of the action itself, but because the idiot was bragging about it and saying he/she will keep doing it just to see the tears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodou
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02-14-2015, 05:56 AMJodou
Well, that would just fall under verbal harassment in itself. The particular person I've seen do this already has multiple infractions on their account and is a well-known troll. I'd like nothing more to see them gone from the game TBH.
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02-14-2015, 05:57 AMSendohJincan there be another intention of someone rolling on a Whistle of a horse they already have? there's absolutely nothing they can do with it other than throw it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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02-14-2015, 06:01 AMShougun
Does seem like an oversight, you can do nothing with those except nothing, they're generally rare - and we already have the system that stops you from doing this to other items (non-minion/mounts). Would be nice to see this not even be a possibility.
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02-14-2015, 06:09 AMWelsper59By all means, you should report it then. Multiple reports and offenses serve as evidence for a greater penalty usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodou
Mistakes. I've done it with other stuff from time to time, which I'm sure most of us have at least encountered. I hit need/greed on accident just because I might not be paying attention to what it was I clicked and well... habit. Mind you, I think most of us would pay attention to certain items of rarity (like the mounts), but it can happen. Unfortunately, because of that possibility, unless they hint or say they're doing it to harass or it happens repeatedly, there's not much evidence to show that it was for reasons other than a mistake. Feel free to report, just in case this person has been reported multiple times by other people for the same offense (evidence of harassment attempts), but yeah... not much else you can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by SendohJin
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02-14-2015, 06:15 AMLineageRazorAs was said, mistakes. And, unlikely as it is when it comes to Primal mounts, a player may forget that they've already won a given mount and claim a second before realizing their mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by SendohJin
And don't discount the fact that there are people who play this game while high or drunk... Kids, don't drink and raid! -
02-14-2015, 06:16 AMSendohJinisn't that by definition not an intentional action?Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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02-14-2015, 06:25 AMWelsper59Yep. Which is why I implied it's not something you could really report and expect results from. Multiple occurrences, which is likely something any one of us would be unaware of, is something that a GM can determine however. So I mean, if you notice it happening or find it suspicious, then by all means put in a report. Details as to why you believe this is the case help a lot in a report.Quote:
Originally Posted by SendohJin
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02-14-2015, 06:29 AMNoshpan
I've unintentionally rolled, and won, minions that were untradable but I had forgotten that I even owned. I do wish that they had designed so that you can't win these items a second time. Or, at the very least, put a notation in the information tool-up something along the lines of "You already possess this item."
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02-14-2015, 07:09 AMkyuven
yeah unfortunately this is a small design oversight intended to allow people to acquire extras to sell if they so chose (especially things like nutkin or fat cat and the like that are the result of things you can/must do solo and are exceptionally rare)
It's kind of annoying, but the flip side is it allows people to have one but still get another to sell so someone else can get it. Those without the proper classes on retainers, for example, wouldn't be able to get the fat cat any other way.
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02-14-2015, 07:26 AMUltimatecaliburThat should be what the unique and untradeable tags do, but by using a specific mount/minion ability granting item you no longer have the item making it so that you can claim another.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuven
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02-14-2015, 07:29 AMkyuvenThe problem is that there are some OTHER items that are unlockable, unique, and untradeable that you need to get over and over. They'd need to create another tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur
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02-14-2015, 07:45 AMUltimatecaliburWhat are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuven
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02-14-2015, 07:52 AMLadonMore willing to bet it's more of the same BS where instanced player data simply does not have access to the player mount and minion lists for server stress issues so they can't even run a check against it even if they wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuven
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02-14-2015, 02:57 PMJodouAnd why even allow such a scenario? It beggars the question why they implement systems like this with margin for human error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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02-14-2015, 02:59 PMVolsungMy sentiments as well shougun, seems like an oversightQuote:
Originally Posted by Shougun