Drawing for Gil

I was considering drawing people's characters for gil.
Before I do this I was wondering if that is allowed or if its a form of RMT for doing a irl service for in-game money.

I have no idea how forums work, my friend just told me to make a post and see if a GM responds.

This is pretty much not allowed by the ToS

I read over then and it still seems fuzzy to me since its basically like "Don't give people your real money to obtain money in game."

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Originally Posted by Lieka_Lyraniika

I was considering drawing people's characters for gil.
Before I do this I was wondering if that is allowed or if its a form of RMT for doing a irl service for in-game money.

I have no idea how forums work, my friend just told me to make a post and see if a GM responds.

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not to turn this into a recruitment post, but technically it is against the ToS, in a gray area, there are many FC's that would gladly keep you well embellished, in return for creative work on their websites and such.

if you ever find yourself on Jenova, PM me. I can think of about 50 different tasks that im working on right as I type, that could be done ten times better by someone with actual drawing talents. website banners and such.

I own my own FC so that's out! and okay ^-^

since your drawings effectively COULD have monetary value, though, it's close enough to the line that they'd give you a talkin to

I don't think these are worth irl money lolo

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...de&oe=5563A472
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...41493338_o.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...4d&oe=555F61DB

if this thread a few months ago is legit, then I'd say its fine

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...gainst-the-TOS

oh sweet! thank you for that Link!

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Originally Posted by Lieka_Lyraniika

cute pictures...

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yep, would pay at least a couple mil for. infectiously cute, and draws people in, to focus their eyes in the right places.

RMT = Real Money Trade

There is no real money involved in what you suggest, so it's perfectly legit as far as I can see.

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Originally Posted by Lieka_Lyraniika

I own my own FC so that's out! and okay ^-^

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he means doing drawings for other FCs. Thats fine even if you own your own.
you don't have to leave your FC or anything. Just someone from a different FC approaching you and asking you to draw a banner for their website or something.

I'd just treat this with fightclub rules. Keep contracts outside the ingame chat.

ahhr , I.. actually already trade my drawing for gil in my FC already though ( just once ) , but I do want to know too if it had any rules related to this kind of stuff or not.

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Originally Posted by Lieka_Lyraniika

I was considering drawing people's characters for gil.
Before I do this I was wondering if that is allowed or if its a form of RMT for doing a irl service for in-game money.

I have no idea how forums work, my friend just told me to make a post and see if a GM responds.

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how much are you charging

I haven't decided yet a fair price, whats your full character name and I'll look you up when I have a answer!

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Originally Posted by Veqluna

ahhr , I.. actually already trade my drawing for gil in my FC already though ( just once ) , but I do want to know too if it had any rules related to this kind of stuff or not.

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I called SE this morning and they said it was fine but nothing can be done if I draw something and the other person decides to not pay.

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Originally Posted by Autumnfire

he means doing drawings for other FCs. Thats fine even if you own your own.
you don't have to leave your FC or anything. Just someone from a different FC approaching you and asking you to draw a banner for their website or something.

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..... dur. Now I feel silly .-.
I was half awake when I had thought all this out lolo

I would pay to turn me and my friends fishing explorations into a comic series.

I'd be interested, but you're not on my server :(

Not on my server either :[

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Originally Posted by Lieka_Lyraniika

I called SE this morning and they said it was fine but nothing can be done if I draw something and the other person decides to not pay.

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Thank you :D , I intent to draw for people that I familiar with anyway ( cuz I don't have much free time to draw for other :b ) and if he or she try to cheat me I will pursue to the end of the world :3

i want one but i aint on your server :c

Ugh your drawing is really nice... But how I can pay you if we're not in same server? :(

Greetings!

This thread was brought to my attention, along with the other thread that was linked. I wanted to clarify the policies related to real money trading, farming, and power leveling, since this thread does place a slightly different viewpoint on the discussion. While the creation of art can carry a different connotation than real money in terms of something to exchange for gil, your skills and the results of their application (in this case, art) are considered something of real world value. When considering it under this view, the exchange of art for in game currency would be considered a violation of the rules and may result in account actions.

I hope that this helps clarify this question about the application of our policies.

LGM Enkrateia

oh :D

that .... clarify then

:D :) :3

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Originally Posted by Enkrateia

Greetings!

This thread was brought to my attention, along with the other thread that was linked. I wanted to clarify the policies related to real money trading, farming, and power leveling, since this thread does place a slightly different viewpoint on the discussion. While the creation of art can carry a different connotation than real money in terms of something to exchange for gil, your skills and the results of their application (in this case, art) are considered something of real world value. When considering it under this view, the exchange of art for in game currency would be considered a violation of the rules and may result in account actions.

I hope that this helps clarify this question about the application of our policies.

LGM Enkrateia

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yay a GM! And okay, I promise not to do it then :3
The call center guy lied to me!

Thank you for the response ^-^

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Originally Posted by Lieka_Lyraniika

The call center guy lied to me!

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More often than not, calling square will get you a wrong answer it seems. Calling them in the past about server issues had them tell me "no, there's no problems, it's all on your end" when 2 mins later the entire world DC's.

Same thing with rules, I find it's a lot easier to get a STRAIGHT and LEGIT answer from the GM's here on the forums and the "Live chat" method in support.

Hope this helps for in future, always try to keep it in mind. Trust me, this is after pretty much 1 year straight of support on and off.

If they would allow it, you could basically exchange any RL service for Gil.

I draw pictures for Gil, I'll clean your flat for Gil, We meet and - yeah - for Gil.

Can I pay with warm HUG? :D

on Gilgamesh in Mor Dhona, there are *casino* games offered at teh Fountain for zillions of gils....I am pretty sure that many have reported that person, becasue is a one person, but so far nothing has been done, which then leads me to believe is totally allowed right? how else to interprete this ?

ToS are there for the form mostly....day in and day out those are slapped in the face and twisted around to avoid to take responsability for those. Why people are still surprised is beyond me

I dont bother reporting anymore anyone, I have yet to see a concrete action, be it on harrassement, breach of rules or anything of the sort...or get another answer then a automatic answer.

I am glad some had good experience with uhmm GM but personally I cant say so far the same

Mei

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

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this will help with this question. tl.dr is casino's are not against tos and perfectly legal.

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Originally Posted by Enkrateia

Greetings!

Since this is certainly a concern that has been anticipated by the GMs, I can provide you some preliminary answers to your questions.

Abuse of the /random command to flood chat can be considered a spam violation and should be reported to a GM for investigation. This can be just spamming random repeatedly in public or making offers that incite the spamming of the random command from others. If you know that you don't want to see random results, a chat filter will be added under Character Configuration > General Tab > Log Filters > Announcements > Random Number Messages. While this can certainly help people who want to activate the filter, the fact that there is a filter for random results does not mean that spamming of the random command is ok because others could just block out spam if they didn't want to be bothered by it.

As for casinos, they are treated like trade agreements. This means that you should ensure clear rules are agreed upon in the game before engaging in this type of agreement, since the GMs can only enforce the terms of the agreement that was made in the game. So long as the agreement is upheld, the GMs should not need to get involved. If you do not feel that the agreement is upheld, you should report that to a GM for investigation for Fraud.

While pointed out in each paragraph, I will reiterate that suspected violations of the rules should be reported to a GM for investigation, and a GM will determine if there was a violation of the rules and take appropriate action based on the results of that investigation. I hope this helps to clear up the GM position on the new feature.

LGM Enkrateia

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to me is a way to get gils AND potentially force people to turn to RMT to get illitice gils in order to play to those sort of casinos which are only for money really, the game being NOT a casino, therefore is using the game to promote something that is NOT game related, so even if casino the per se is nto against ToS the use of the platform to promote something else totally not related to the purpose of the game, which has never been advertised as being a casino, is somewhat a breach of ToS...but th ena gain, ToS are written in such a way that is always grey.

Not to mention that ToS specifically say "gambling* as being PROHIBITED..maybe though playing casino (sort of ) is not gambling ?

Juse me though, as said I dont bother to report anything of the sort. It will happen that someone will realize that it may not be that clear crystal and complain on these boards sooner or later on how strange it is that someone always win and never loses...or rarely loses. I wait for that time

Mei

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

to me is a way to get gils AND potentially force people to turn to RMT to get illitice gils in order to play to those sort of casinos which are only for money really

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They should ban housing and glamour too, in fact ban, anything people enjoy that uses in game currency.

Problem solved.

I didnt know that ToS and their enforcement were directly related on the satisfaction of the players, if they are happy ToS can be ignored, if they arent happy it needs to be enforced.....strange concept

Mei

Why is it ok to sell eternal bands for gil but not art? I guess rmt is ok cause square is getting paid.

Simple workaround: art commissions FREE with your purchase of a grade 1 dark matter. So long as you're paying for an in-game item, it's not a violation of the TOS.