**The same Benchmark score after GPU upgrade????**

hi all,

my specs are...

Athlon X4 640 Quad (oc to 3.3ghz)
2 TB HD's
GTX 260 (Gainward GS)
8GB DDR2 ram
Antec powergamer 750watt PSU


and i just uprgraded to the GTX 560 by ASUS with a factory OC to 850mhz.


before with the 260 my score was just over 3000 and now with the 560 my score is still just over 3000!


the new card is great, already run a few benchmarks and it really makes stuff like witcher 2 and crysis 2 look soo much better and the fps is 50 and 60+ max:D where as before in newer game's i was getting around 40 fps.


just a little confused about the score, i have heard that the benchmark is surprisingly:p aswell not optimized for non i7's and GTX 460's lol


i do have a keen eye for graphics and i can see the FFXIV running a little better overall except in Uldah lol


should i be worried? something im missing? being to para? hehe

thanks!

Well, tbh, when you look at all the specs, while you increased your mem clock and speed and doubled your cores, the overall bandwidth speed is only slightly better and same with your fill rates. GPUs are the hardest thing to upgrade due to the small changes made beyond memory speed. So most folks will see mem speed and go "Holy SH!T that's awesome!" Only to realize that MAJOR parts that matter are marginal at best with changes. If you had a crappy 9600GT like mine and went to the 260 or the 560, you would notice the difference. Other thing is, some games go about the use of your GPU differently then others which maybe why you see significant changes on games like Witcher and such.

Honestly though, keep the card it's not going to hurt. ;)

3780 i get 2.9k on a 450gts i get 3000 so i only get a little better score but the game play 100x better on 450gts on higher setting even play great with DOF on.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

3780 i get 2.9k on a 450gts i get 3000 so i only get a little better score but the game play 100x better on 450gts on higher setting even play great with DOF on.

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What other specs do you have Zenuka? Are they much different then the OPs?

1 word.
Bottleneck.


8800GTS on my system gets about 2900
GTS 450 gets slightly above 5000 on my system
GTX 460 gets around 6700+ on my system


GTS 450 on my brother's Athlon II X2 bottlenecked system gets between 1900-2300.



While your performance in other games has increased, it's still not as good as if you had a more powerful system. A lot of games can be CPU bound.

And it's been shown in multiple articles that a PhenomX4 with the same GPU as a high end Core i7 will perform consistently and significantly less across the board. Though that doesn't mean it doesn't manage perfectly good framerates.


Also my system spec's for reference

Core i7 950@4.2Ghz
(No GPU ATM because dead 460)
G-skill 1333Mhz RAM@1600Mhz 8-8-8-24-1N
Corsair TX750

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Originally Posted by BONKERS

1 word.
Bottleneck.


8800GTS on my system gets about 2900
GTS 450 gets slightly above 5000 on my system
GTX 460 gets around 6700+ on my system


GTS 450 on my brother's Athlon II X2 bottlenecked system gets between 1900-2300.



While your performance in other games has increased, it's still not as good as if you had a more powerful system. A lot of games can be CPU bound.

And it's been shown in multiple articles that a PhenomX4 with the same GPU as a high end Core i7 will perform consistently and significantly less across the board. Though that doesn't mean it doesn't manage perfectly good framerates.


Also my system spec's for reference

Core i7 950@4.2Ghz
(No GPU ATM because dead 460)
G-skill 1333Mhz RAM@1600Mhz 8-8-8-24-1N
Corsair TX750

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are u talking about my rig?

i have a quad core tho which i have overclocked to 3.3ghz (can go to to 3.5 but like to let it breathe)

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What other specs do you have Zenuka? Are they much different then the OPs?

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AMD phenom II 3core 2.59ghz
4GB of DDR2

But the 450gs play on much higher setting with less issue then my old 3780 so the score mean noting lol 100score more and i get high setting and DOF gameplay so no issue here :)

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Originally Posted by Radicaled321

are u talking about my rig?

i have a quad core tho which i have overclocked to 3.3ghz (can go to to 3.5 but like to let it breathe)

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yeah probably.

Last I checked, the 1100T is one of the best performing AMD CPU's for gaming. Performing almost on par with Core i7's
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...k,2833-18.html
CPU bottleneck could be what is holding you back.
As this video showcases
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGdo75gasaQ

hmmm perhaps, well i just recently got the x4 640 so i have no intention of upgrading for at least another year lol

time to see how far i can push it , perhaps 3.7 or 3.8 once ive done my homework!

FFXIV can be quite HDD intensive too.

yeah i have heard that installing ffxiv on a ssd will get rid of the lag and stuttering, but im not about to spend some ridiculous amount of money just because they SE havent optimized the game well enough lol

Your problem is thinking the Benchmark they put out means anything. The thing is trash and doesn't represent your in game performance in the least. The benchmark hasn't been updated at all and doesn't take full effect of any modern hardware.

The benchmark is actually based on the early beta build. At one point during the beta there was a round of engine optimizations that made it obsolete.

This game is very CPU bound. I am thinking that for FFXIV that athlon is a bottleneck for you. In games that are GPU bound, you may notice nice big gains but not in FFXIV. I got my biggest increase when I went from a Phenom II to my i7 2600k. And even then, I got even more performance when I overclocked from the stock 3.4ghz to 4.8ghz.

I got the same performance with 3.0 and 4.2Ghz. But I only use 2 GPUs after all... 3Ghz is highly recommended for this game though. Don't believe the lies on the games box xD

lol hmmm perhaps i have put a bit too much stock in the benchmark, honestly i have no other trouble with any games and my cpu never goes to 100% all the time even in ffxiv. if the ssd's can help the lag quite well then il consider an upgrade when they are less pricey:P

thanks all :)