Teleporting and bots

here we go again?

My friend was in coerthas and she saw a few people teleporting around and right now I am in mor dhona where about 6 different black mage bots are teleporting under the floor and killing mobs near outside the castrum. About 9 different ones within the span of a few minutes, I reported 4 of them but I'm not gonna sit here and try and report more of them because they just keep coming!

There's a whole slew of them out there after each ban wave as they level up new characters to farm with.

I hear they like to teleport hack in and out of dungeons above of keeper of the lake these days.

I hate PVP servers with PKing but you know what made PKing wonderful? Bot cleanup.

You can't depend on the game companies to deal with it. I know, I know. They are repetitive and swarming the servers and keep popping up but... my logical reasoning is that every time their accounts are banned, they must buy a new game and subscribe just to be able to send tells right? Then keep subscribing in order to keep playing.

So if SE was truly proactive and kept banning them, wouldn't their profits suck ass after awhile? Is SE really doing their best? Or perhaps SE is allowing some of them to stay over some underground agreement for $$$$. But I don't really know so meh. I only know that if they were being banned as much as SE makes it seem, their money can't possibly be good enough to stay... unless there's really that many terribly BAD NA gamers who only want to jump to the front of the epeen lines without any work... lol

I'm sorry I'm just disappointed about this crap probably more than I should be.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

I hate PVP servers with PKing but you know what made PKing wonderful? Bot cleanup.

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If you attack the leader first then you'll have the amount of bots firing Fire at you at once :p.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

Or perhaps SE is allowing some of them to stay over some underground agreement for $$$$.

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:rolleyes:

I hate conspiracy theories.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

:rolleyes:

I hate conspiracy theories.

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Good thing I concluded that "I don't really know" at the end instead of pushing it off as a fact then eh? I like to consider all possibilities but only accept what can be proven.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

Good thing I concluded that "I don't really know" at the end instead of pushing it off as a fact then eh?

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That doesn't make it better. Not really.

Seen a bunch of poshacking BLM bots on Tonberry yesterday zipping around 24,21 in Central Thanalan and 27,17 in Western. Couldn't even catch their names to report since they were underground and untargetable but they did keep killing mobs I needed for hunting log. Kinda weird the engine is engineered to even allow position hacking to slip like that but eh. Annoying.

You know what would be awesome. If SE employed some GM's to run around take out bots. They would probably have access to bot radar technology and could take them out wherever they go.

What do you think? Gold plated archer? One arrow each? Thwip, Thwip...Thwip

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Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

Seen a bunch of poshacking BLM bots on Tonberry yesterday zipping around 24,21 in Central Thanalan and 27,17 in Western. Couldn't even catch their names to report since they were underground and untargetable but they did keep killing mobs I needed for hunting log. Kinda weird the engine is engineered to even allow position hacking to slip like that but eh. Annoying.

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Targeting the mob will allow you to see the name of the player attacking it. That is how i get names for my reports. Takes a while though but eventually you will get all the names of that group (each different monster they attack will target the first one that hits it, and the bots are not smart enough yet to time their attacks precisely).

Honestly how to catch blm bots =
Have a gm watch the u'ldah main plaza aeteryte on off times ( most come out when server is asleep lol i think )
Monitor the blm job quest npc guy at the burning wall ( the cave where u mine for gold ore )
Those r like the 2 areas i see bots afking or pos hacking. All the other ones r partied up and have busy status on and r killing plamoids at mor ( fog fens where the hill and the crystal tree is at )
I get a little sad cuz they stole my spirit bonding location a few times >_>
( 4 bots with 4 chocos out ) all of them chain casting blizzard and fire.
Then when they r done they just vanish lol ! Poof

Turn PvP on in open world were Bots are concerned :p

I'd like to embed my Axe in some botting Black Mages skull for one haha

ive been seeing them doing quest in forgotten spring, all lvl 50 lalafells thaumaturge (no other class or jobs unlocked) and all geared about the same

Make level progression stop at 30 and do not go ahead if you still in base class, and the problem will be eased a lot.

Even more insane suggestion: you cannot level up until you do your class/job quest. You cannot level more than 5 levels of your incomplete Main Scenario quest.

Goodbye automated bots! They will be kicked out the dungeons they need to progress, and 90% of them will stay in Sastasha forever.

In game Conversation with a Bot Owner

After reporting a bot in Grid, I sent a /tell to a nearby real player to let him know that
I had reported the nearby gathering bot. I learned that this real player is a bot owner.

I omitted the other player's character name and substituted "Bot Owner."

Conversation went somewhat like this:

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Bot Owner: You need to realize that reporting a bot will get you 3 day suspension for harassment.
Me: The bot was moving with the afk flag displayed,
Bot Owner: That's the only exception.
Bot Owner: What if I told you how you can gather 1800 shards per hour?
Me: I'm not interested.
Bot Owner: How much Gil do you have?
Me: You don't need to know
Bot Owner: What if I told you, you could earn over X million gil per week?
Me: My gil currency remains legitimate.
Bot Owner: What if I told you the names of players in your FC who operate bots?
Bot Owner: What if I told you I have bots running right now?

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I declined his friend req.
I fail to understand why "reporting a bot" would be "harassment."

OP if you don't take the time to report them then what do you expect SE to do? How can a GM sit and watch every single player on a world at one time? OP you are a part of the problem for saying that you are not going to report them. How can they get banned if you don't tell SE about them?

if only people stop buying from then, I hate it, they even send friend request now, there's not enough time in the game to report the long blacklist and pull monsters to the gathering bots, anyway sometimes is a fun thing to do.

Perhaps rather than going after ever single bot until the end of time, they should instead focus on plugging the exploitable code that allows bots to do all the amazing tricks they can do.

I would still love to know how so many of them manage to get onto the full, locked servers so very often and in such huge numbers. Just as I would love to know how RMT knew how to send my character a tell within one second of its creation (if that).

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Perhaps rather than going after ever single bot until the end of time, they should instead focus on plugging the exploitable code that allows bots to do all the amazing tricks they can do.

I would still love to know how so many of them manage to get onto the full, locked servers so very often and in such huge numbers. Just as I would love to know how RMT knew how to send my character a tell within one second of its creation (if that).

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Oh that's easy, Player Search. The tool that allows people to find you and send you tells/friend requests no matter where you are in relation to them.
Does anyone actually use the Player Search for legitimate reasons anymore? Why does it even exist?

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

Oh that's easy, Player Search. The tool that allows people to find you and send you tells/friend requests no matter where you are in relation to them.
Does anyone actually use the Player Search for legitimate reasons anymore? Why does it even exist?

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Yes, I've used Player Search for legitimate reasons. And I can tell you the odds of finding a new character within a half second of them entering the introductory cut-scene via the player search tool is next to nil.

The sound effect for the tell played before the video even faded into view. And that's happened more than once on my new characters.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Yes, I've used Player Search for legitimate reasons. And I can tell you the odds of finding a new character within a half second of them entering the introductory cut-scene via the player search tool is next to nil.

The sound effect for the tell played before the video even faded into view. And that's happened more than once on my new characters.

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If you're in a loading screen, you're technically in the game and findable.
They're using scripts to access the UI faster than you could do by hand, most likely.

I've only ever legitimately had to use the player search one time--and that was to find a person I knew was already in the game by their player name so I could friend them.
I'm sure there is a better way to accomplish that.

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Turn PvP on in open world were Bots are concerned :p

I'd like to embed my Axe in some botting Black Mages skull for one haha

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Using bots as a reason to allow open pvp does not work because you would have to use position hacking yourself to get in range of them, making you part of the problem too.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Even more insane suggestion: you cannot level up until you do your class/job quest. You cannot level more than 5 levels of your incomplete Main Scenario quest.

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I see nothing wrong with this suggestion at all. It is neither insane, nor impractical. I'll go one better. Make the end of each class/job quest require a player interaction that is impossible to script for a bot. Some kind of challenge/response that requires a player to be present to answer. It could easily be written into the text of the quests, so it would not feel or appear out of place.

Personally I'd like to see them apply some kind of parsing on the coordinates a player can move to. It should not be impossible for their DB to filter incoming requests from the game client by sanity checking the origin/destination coordinates, as well as preventing positions beneath the surface geometry.

Hi,

May I suggest (or re-suggest) an in-game bounty on bots.
Report bot, when the bot owner's account is deleted,
earn a reward.

I just want to get a "bounty" suggestion on the table
without getting into the weeds on how to do it. If the game
developers and game masters ever become receptive to this suggestion,
then implementation should be discussed.

Thank you.