The Minstrel's Ballad: Ultima's Bane should be added to Duty Roulette: Trials.

Not sure why, but The Minstrel's Ballad: Ultima's Bane isn't included in the duty roulette. Since fights with both higher requirements for entry as well as unlock later being in the roulette, I can't see a reason why this isn't included yet. Is there something that I am missing or is this pretty cool fight just been overlooked?

It's a fight that many feel the item level is way TOO low. I've tried clearing this with Mostly new 50's from my FC. It's nearly impossible to clear with low geared players.
Even If you put this fight in the DF roulette, you may see players just LEAVE and eat the 30 min down time. Just like some players treated Titan hm in roulette at one time. This fight gives out item lv 80 rings right? A high level player can buy 120 rings and upgrade to 130 in no time. Making this fight ...kinda worthless for the small Sol tomes it may pay out.

I feel for yea, but you're just going to have PF this with a stacked team of OP friends if you're looking to clear it sometime soon.

It's on par with an EX fight in my opinion. At least with the group I PF'd and had to explain the entire fight to (pretending I knew what I was talking about, when I really just looked up some guides for it). I'd rather not occasionally get it for the pain it likes to inflict, but maybe with even 2-3 experienced players, it can help move it along better.

It's such a fun fight. It's a shame it's been relegated to the nether regions of DF.

I kinda agree with OP. Just like they should add Cape Westwind to Main Scenario by now. I've ever only seen it pop ONCE in Trial roulette, and many people need it to continue the storyline. It'd be a change of pace from knowing MS roulette is 1 of two long boring dungeons, having that face roll fight would be a welcome change of pace. High chance of virgin tomes, and an easy Soldiery. What bad can possibly come from this being added to Main Scenario, please, state it now.

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Originally Posted by Urtear

I kinda agree with OP. Just like they should add Cape Westwind to Main Scenario by now. I've ever only seen it pop ONCE in Trial roulette, and many people need it to continue the storyline. It'd be a change of pace from knowing MS roulette is 1 of two long boring dungeons, having that face roll fight would be a welcome change of pace. High chance of virgin tomes, and an easy Soldiery. What bad can possibly come from this being added to Main Scenario, please, state it now.

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It used to be in Main Scenario, but they changed it to trial. There are a lot of people (myself included) that prefer to queue for Trial and not for Main Story because Trials take significantly less time to complete even if the reward isn't as high. You also run the risk of people fishing specifically for Westwind and dropping the other two if they don't get it if it is added to Main Story.

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Originally Posted by Lethallin

It's on par with an EX fight in my opinion.

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...Really? I loved this fight, a lot. It was fun and dodging is always interesting. If it's the same as EX fights than I guess I should stop worrying about them, and just try them out. I've been avoiding EX fights because they seem far harder than everything else... So if this is the same? They must be easy.

I would say it's on par with Garuda EX difficulty but not quite as hard as Levi Ex and nowhere nearly as hard as Titan EX at least in the sense Ultima MB version is more forgiving than Titan EX (I can't speak for the others since that's as far as I have got or more specifically as far as I have tried yet).

Haven't tried Moogle King, or Ramuh yet etc so can't compare. Odin currently is only equivalent of a hard mode version of Odin but I am not looking forward to the EX version of that when comes out especially if the current Odin is the easy version and not hard or EX version.

There is only one single tough bit I think in the Ultima MB version which is the linked lightning balls which people in my experience keep messing up way too much. Overall I think Ultima MB version is okay to add to duty roulette but it MUST have it's ilvl requirement increased in my opinion because the difficulty of it does not match the current ilvl requirement.

If UltimaHM is included in trials roulette, I'm sure a lot of people would stay away from it with the risk of getting into UltimaHM and doing lots of wipes.
I would suggest having a pretty good drop instead much like the ponies of EX trials.

It's on par with Garuda Extreme in difficulty. It not being in roulette is a good thing.

I love the fight myself, but incompetent people make it unbearable.

It's a lot harder than any other Trial fight, that's why I think it's never been put there. I remember the horrible queue times I had though, even as a healer...

I am for adding to some roulette an if it is EX primal roulette. I love to add it to some random qs when we do our own little raidroulette and It is the best fun you can imagine.
Last time I went with a friend who went sch without swift, luckily we had another healer with swift... well it was a very epic solotank run (dem deaths at 5 stacks ^^) with a ton of brink of death on me a tank joining in progress so we lost our limit break and he didnt have voke so not even much of a help and a heal dc in last 2 mins :P [I still need to upload my recording]

It wouldn't be the first fight to be gimped if they were to gimp it in accordance with its "HM" title, and then they'd be able to put it in roulette.

And there'd be nothing game breaking about making some i80 accessories more accessible to people, and be in the roulette to help people get the wins they want.

Honestly it's easier than Moogle HM was at first by a longshot.

What we have in DR: Trials today are...
All story-related 8-man trials (Cape Westwind, Moogle, Levi, Ramuh, Shiva, Chrysalis), all Relic Reborn trials (Chimera, Hydra, Ifrit HM, Garuda HM, Titan HM) and all Hildibrand trials (Greg v1, Uncle Ulty and Greg v2).
It's likely that whenever they get around to add an DR: Extreme, they will include Ultima and Odin among the Extreme Primals...
If they actually get around to it... People would certainly just leave right away if they got some of the fights that require a bit more coordination.

Haha i remember ultima hm it was fun when it 1st came out.
Almost 1 shotted it in df a few hours after patch went live.
But i guess that just shows u the quality of players left in old df content.
Pretty hard tho as a dps check for that fight without echo.
But hey we have odin to remind us again about hard enrages followed up by dancing and high deeps. Both are aoe heavy, have tank busting mechanics with hard enrages if dps is low.
Nerf ultima "then" put it in df so ppl can faceroll it like the story mode ultima wep :3

Fight requires tank swaps, and possibly tank LB depending on the folks in the group. No way in heck that's going to have a decent success rate in DF.

Would love to see Ultima HM tossed in the trial roulette. It is a really fun fight that gets no love. If there was an EX trial roulette I don't think it would rise to being in there. Hoping some day SE will but I doubt it as it isn't needed to move forward with any content.

Why do you need UltimaHM anyway? The reason we have Duty Roulette Trial would be to help those who are stuck at Relic and Main Scenario quests. UltimaHM is a side quest and absolutely optional. There is no real need to do it.

If they made some changes to the last set of Aetheric Boom tethers, then it would definitely be Trial Roulette worthy. Back when I was farming tomes with friends, we ran Ultima HM a lot for the new person bonus and that last set would always give people trouble. If they don't plan on adding it to a roulette in the future, then at least some kind of extra incentive to get people to queue up for it would be nice, I mean the fight doesn't even count towards the tank mount achievement.

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Originally Posted by FranSeara

It's a fight that many feel the item level is way TOO low. I've tried clearing this with Mostly new 50's from my FC. It's nearly impossible to clear with low geared players...snip....

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I don't think so, it's just that, even if you explain the bomb mechanics and Ifrit phase people still don't handle it right the first time, even if they've watched a video. I cleared it last night in DF twice. The first time the second tank had a couple pieces of grey armor and a grey weapon.

In DF, you have to wipe a couple times quickly so newer players can see the mechanics and go from there.

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Originally Posted by FranSeara

...snip.... A high level player can buy 120 rings and upgrade to 130 in no time. Making this fight ...kinda worthless for the small Sol tomes it may pay out...snip....

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So true. But I gots one word for you: glamour! That Ultima ring is sexy as hell. That's the only reason I was there last night trying to help my wife get a ring for glamour.