Node is being racist, should I report it?

So I kept wondering why I had this weird bug on the Northern Thanalan cobalt node... I was supposed to get my extra-attempt but it kept giving me 4. And that's when I realized.

This node does not provide the extra attempt with gathering or perception stats, but with... strength. 202, more precisely. But Lalafells have can't have more than 200 STR!

Needless to say, I did immediately /beckon back Shantotto for good measure, and she split the mountain in two with a well-placed Quake. Now, now, what to do with these 250,000 cobalt ore which fell in my inventory?

Ohohohoho!

[ Title suggested by Ebil Elebil :D ]

that's hilarious. Puny weaklings. that's what you get!

Is that actually true though? Seems strange for SE to make it so that one or two races can't take advantage of a node. Given

the rpecedence set by the rest of the game.

just meld 2 str into one piece of gear..

I realized the same thing only a few days ago despite having farm that node possibly a hundred times over the past year, a node where I needed just 2 points more in what I think was Mind, to be able to get the bonus. It's not game breaking by far, but it still feel kind of dumb, all the other required stats can be reached simply by leveling up and getting better gear but those stay out of reach. I guess each race has their special node to make them feel privileged.

In theory you can meld STR onto some gear, no?

Reminds me of a racial penalty in LOTRO. Hobbit characters would swim through puddles (very slow speed) vs every other race that would just wade through the water as if it wasn't even there. I think it was unintended there and this STR bug for lalafell is probably unintended here.

Samething happened in tera. My elin couldnt gather certain quest items if they were under water

http://i.imgur.com/DIqoEd1.png

The nodes affected by stats are the Mining node in North Thanalan (requires 202 STR) and the Botany node in South Thanalan (reqired 202 INT). As a Moon miqote I am 2 STR and 1 INT short of meeting these requrements. Previously when gathering I would swap out a ring for a DD ring. When I got my Foragers gear, I actually melded a STR and INT materia to my gloves to meet the cap. So I wouldn’t have to fiddle with rings

Since the greatest a stat deviation can be is 3 I would have thought SE would have made the requirements the natural base (202) less three (so 199), but they didn't, so we just gotta deal with it by melding or gear swap

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

just meld 2 str into one piece of gear..

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Being a Keeper I had to do this.

And 1 INT on my botany gear.

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Originally Posted by Mishini_Dracoto

In theory you can meld STR onto some gear, no?

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Oh, you do. Now do you really want to meld a Strength materia in a 1.5 million Forager equipment piece? :D

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Originally Posted by Keewee

Oh, you do. Now do you really want to meld a Strength materia in a 1.5 million Forager equipment piece? :D

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Why wouldn't you?

This is NOT 1.xx melding after all.

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Originally Posted by Keewee

Oh, you do. Now do you really want to meld a Strength materia in a 1.5 million Forager equipment piece? :D

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Forager Wristguards NQ

Guerdon III
Guerdon III
Guile III

= max stats and not a single overmeld

melding a str +2 with ~40% success shouldnt be a prob

It would be a bit awkward to do all the time.... but maybe you could try forming a light party and seeing if the Strength bonus from having a melee DPS in the team works? :cool:

Greetings, Masters of the Land,

The requirements needed to be able to increase the amount of times you can gather at a node is a set value between each race’s stats. The races you pointed out have racial stats that do indeed not meet the requirements for specific nodes; however, if we were to adjust the nodes mentioned in this thread there may still be situations where other nodes or races might not meet the natural stat requirements to increase the amount of times they can gather at these special locations.

The gathering nodes are set up so that any race can gather from any node, but by making adjustments to stats by melding material, making use of potions, or using food buffs, any race can also get the full advantage of these special nodes. We would like if players tried various methods to achieve these additional gathering attempts.

For gathering node requirements, we’ll continue to make sure the difficulty to meet the requirement isn't too far apart between races moving forward.

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

Since the greatest a stat deviation can be is 3 I would have thought SE would have made the requirements the natural base (202) less three (so 199), but they didn't, so we just gotta deal with it by melding or gear swap

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Yeah, Seeker of the Sun here, melded 2 INT to a ring. Although seeing the suggestions to join a party, or carry around low level stat pots to get that extra gather once every few times around the gathering circuit are interesting think-outside-the-box ideas, I'm still looking through my CUL Masterbooks for some recipes with main stats on them. Guess that doesn't really relate to the thread at all, unless there's racial differences between gathering and perception I'm unaware of.....

And I certainly hope there's currently no plans to widen the racial stat gap (which has been constant from levels 1-50) to a point where certain node bonuses are unreasonable to achieve for certain races ><

I wonder if there's any info somewhere that tells you nodes that requires certain minimum stats... :?

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Yeah, Seeker of the Sun here, melded 2 INT to a ring. Although seeing the suggestions to join a party, or carry around low level stat pots to get that extra gather once every few times around the gathering circuit are interesting think-outside-the-box ideas, I'm still looking through my CUL Masterbooks for some recipes with main stats on them...

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I'll save you some time and tell you that since 2.0 there aren't any foods that add base stats (except VIT, which all combat food adds). Potions add primary stats (for amusingly short durations) while food adds secondary stats and vitality.

This is less of a problem since Forager's gear as others have shown. I always use one of my MNK's rings when mining cobalt though since I haven't made any Forager's equipment yet (except sledgehammer) and there's literally no difference in performance on that node (or the botany node in Southern Thanalan) by removing a ring if you have more than a few melds.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings, Masters of the Land,

The requirements needed to be able to increase the amount of times you can gather at a node is a set value between each race’s stats. The races you pointed out have racial stats that do indeed not meet the requirements for specific nodes; however, if we were to adjust the nodes mentioned in this thread there may still be situations where other nodes or races might not meet the natural stat requirements to increase the amount of times they can gather at these special locations.

The gathering nodes are set up so that any race can gather from any node, but by making adjustments to stats by melding material, making use of potions, or using food buffs, any race can also get the full advantage of these special nodes. We would like if players tried various methods to achieve these additional gathering attempts.

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Suddenly, those STR potions became a lot more useful...

lol welp I'm personally not going to bother carrying special foods or potions (don't those last like 15s anyway?) in my already too clustered inventory just for one node, I wans't expecting or asking for any changes though, I just thought it was kind of unnecessary to have just one or two buff that some race couldn't reach despite reaching lvl50 like for all the other gathering buffs.

As was stated, meld str into gear... Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by EinherjarLucian

Suddenly, those STR potions became a lot more useful...

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Sadly, the enormous cooldowns on potions, coupled with their brief duration, means that this is not really so. Anyone who wishes to take advantage of 5-hit nodes likely wants to do it over and over again during a single gathering session. Potion cooldowns mean they can only take advantage of the 5-hit node once every five minutes (or 4 min, 30 seconds for HQ). A gatherer rotating between nodes will come back to that 5-hit node WAY more often than that, so the actual benefits are pretty minimal.

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

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BTW, if you don't mind, I want to refer your post to my thread here. Almost forgot about this since we last talked. ^^

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

Forager Wristguards NQ

Guerdon III
Guerdon III
Guile III

= max stats and not a single overmeld

melding a str +2 with ~40% success shouldnt be a prob

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Think you meant HQ gloves, but you've got a point; I didn't expect Forager gear to be fully capped with 3 materia, that's interesting!

On a side note, this thread wasn't meant to really be serious, it's just that being a lalafell is hard sometimes :D Thanks for taking the time for an explanation, Grekumah, though!

Strength attribute should have no effect on gathering.

I never knew that those 1-2 extra racial points would have a significant difference O.o

I'm a hellsguard and my weak stats is DEX...
i'm sure i've seen some Botanist nodes that require DEX, but I think i can get the extra gathering hit in all nodes.

When i was leveling it, I used to just equip the DoW/M accessories I had if I didnt meet the requirements. I mean, 2 STR, couldn't you just throw on a STR ring in place of your other ring before beginning to gather at that spot? No melds required and it takes a whole couple seconds to equip. I don't think losing a couple CP/Gather/Perception will matter much on those level 50 nodes... you should be capping anyway, or at least close enough.

I understand where people are coming from, I just don't agree it needs to be adjusted. There are solutions, and not all of them requires larges amounts of money or wasted meld slots.

I actually love this mechanic. At one point, I recall thinking that I should be getting bonuses on Nodes where I wasn't. I now know that it's because I am a Seawolf, I need to meld +INT onto my character to make up the difference. I'll verify the nodes and meld some extra INT onto my glvoes or something later tonight or sometime this weekend.

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Originally Posted by Rhode

Strength attribute should have no effect on gathering.

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Yeah! Why should smashing rocky outcrops to bits with a twenty pound sledgehammer for hours at a time have anything to do with strength? It's so silly!

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Originally Posted by Keewee

Think you meant HQ gloves, but you've got a point; I didn't expect Forager gear to be fully capped with 3 materia, that's interesting!

On a side note, this thread wasn't meant to really be serious, it's just that being a lalafell is hard sometimes :D Thanks for taking the time for an explanation, Grekumah, though!

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oh ya sry, but you basically dont need HQ to hit all caps

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Originally Posted by Keewee

Think you meant HQ gloves, but you've got a point; I didn't expect Forager gear to be fully capped with 3 materia, that's interesting!

On a side note, this thread wasn't meant to really be serious, it's just that being a lalafell is hard sometimes :D Thanks for taking the time for an explanation, Grekumah, though!

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No he's quite possibly right, or at least on the right track. Several of the i60 crafted left side are very easily maxed even from nq status.

Really seems like an unnecessary complication. Having only played one race I never noticed I was being discriminated against. :/ having to overmeld ( overtaxed) because of my race is unethical.

Too bad, so sad.

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Originally Posted by EinherjarLucian

Suddenly, those STR potions became a lot more useful...

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I never thought of using a stat potion for gathering lol.. Interesting indeed.. Would usually just throw on a dps accessory or use melds.

Learn something new everyday lol