Please Revive Wolves Den

Please REMOVE rank matching. Anything to get wolves den up and running again. Remove melee/ranged requirement as well. 2 melee is fine, 2 ranged is fine, hell 4 tanks is fine. REMOVE ALL THE RESTRICTIONS PLEASE. Just get it going again. The restrictions destroy den. Just remove them. No one cares if its "fair" we would rather PLAY period. than it be fair.

and Frontline Secure.

They should add an unrestricted and unsynced mode at the very least. It's annoying to have to divide up into melee/ranged/heals/tank when we do LS-WD for weekly since not everyone has all the classes needed.

The OP is right. WE JUST WANNA SMASH THINGS AND BURN THEM WITH FIRE III!

If anyone knows how to get Wolves' Den Q pops on Primal.... I'm listening.

I tired yesterday. 30s 40s pop fairly fast but still not with it. I want to do 50s but the restrictions make it so rediculous.

Also, its not even ranked competitively so what's the point in balance? Just open it up so anyone can join. 8 players 4v4 at the very least remove rank restriction. Rank restriction was added to correct the moral issue. Now that moral was adjusted the rank restriction is no longer needed for any reason what so ever. Even pve players can get i130 gear which puts everyone on a level playing field with a rank 45 with i110 pvp gear.. minus a few pvp skill buffs which would not be game breaking. RANK matching needs to be REMOVED

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

If anyone knows how to get Wolves' Den Q pops on Primal.... I'm listening.

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A ways back a few of us from different servers used to run mixed weekend games with each other. We'd take all the people who wanted to play, have everyone queue on the jobs they wanted and play for a few hours on saturday and sometimes other days. That died out a while ago but we've had some staples of the scene come back and they are wanting to take it up again. If we can garner enough interest on the primal DC we can start running with it, and with enough interest we could potentially do it a few nights a week again. We try to make things as balanced as possible and we're all about teaching players who are interested in learning. There is definitely no league of legends/dota type mentality with us when it comes to that, for those who might have reservations.


So for anyone either interested in learning how to play wolves den and get better or hoping to see where they really stand skill-wise against some of the old school pvpers, let's open up some discussion. Wolves's den is extremely fun and very rewarding as with experience you can truly start growing as a player. And it is really the only way to make a legitimate name for yourself within the pvp community.

So you guys know, it's definitely not an easy task. Trying to get den working again is very challenging as SE treats as its sewage dump. You can tell they don't care about it or what the players think of it, so we're pretty much on our own. But with some work we can get things rolling again. Teapan Thegod and friends are in the early stages of working on a WD site with rankings and statistics. I am hoping we can get something out there like ELO/MMR in league/dota which really lets you know which players have what kind of impacts in a match.

Hope to hear some feedback

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Originally Posted by kisada

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Just give me a window and tell me which specific Wolves' Den instance to Q. I'm in.

It just can't happen
Even tho i'm all for it
WD > FL cuz WD takes more individual skill*
We all know how boring it'll get when casters start *ruining* all the fun.
It may seem like a good idea but in time ppl will call it quits when things go back to the way they were
I.e 2 smns, blm sleep nuking, zerg fest of healer 24/7.
Like i said it sounds good in theory with the whole " what's the point of balance as it's not even ranked " idea, it'll just create more nerf threads and ppl will flock away thus killing WD again.
Sure the small % of die hard WD ppl will enjoy it but the other % won't and will just not bother which defeats the whole purpose of this proposed idea.

I do not agree at all. I think if the restrictions were removed and ques actually popped it would revive with little effort. Pvpers at this point don't care at all that FL is "superior". Were already rank 45 we just like pvping win or lose. If restrictions were removed people would que for it. Bottom line.

Also ALLOW chatting in game so If you stalemate you can laugh and shoot the sh't with the other team. Yeah ppl will flame but its PvP people will also chat and laugh and have fun... chatting needs to be part of it. This care bear sh't need to stop.

I miss 4v4s so much, even if the queue times were frustrating at times (all those 7/8, god damn) it was way more fun than Frontlines is. So so disappointed that they've put absolutely 0 effort into giving people a reason to try Wolves Den rather than spamming Frontlines.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

Anything to get wolves den up and running again. Remove melee/ranged requirement as well. 2 melee is fine, 2 ranged is fine

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no, it's not fine. you do not want 2 ranged. the moment people start running premade 2 SMNs+SCH+TANK train comps, people will quit WD and be right back in these forums complaining to put the restrictions back. i know because i was doing WD before the restrictions came into place. that comp merks everything and the match wouldn't even last that long.

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Originally Posted by Gor

no, it's not fine. you do not want 2 ranged. the moment people start running premade 2 SMNs+SCH+TANK train comps, people will quit WD and be right back in these forums complaining to put the restrictions back. i know because i was doing WD before the restrictions came into place. that comp merks everything and the match wouldn't even last that long.

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You don't seem to understand. NO ONE DOES WOLVES DEN AT ALL RIGHT NOW. Smart people will adjust their teams if they want to win. Forcing people to be X job and having to match in rank is stupid in a free for all arena. Its not even ranked. No one ques for it..... they need to remove the restrictions. I'd rather fight a premade and lose than never be able to que... ever.

And to your... "you do not want 2 ranged" ... imagine a party ... whm pld blm blm..... vs. whm pld nin nin..... both ninjas each get on a blm... blms can't dps at all... the ninja party wins b/c ranged can't do anything b/c they got wrcked by the ninjas. This is pvp... no matter what you say is a problem there is always a solution player creativity is going to trump any type of restriction that a game creator tries to administer. The current restrictions are DETRIMENTAL to wolves den and NEED TO BE REMOVED. There are always arguments as to how/who might win in what setup but there are always acceptions. again.. i'd rather things be not so even with the ques actually popping than things be "even" and "fair" like they have it now and no one does it because it makes ques so god awful for a <5 min fight.

or how about nin nin nin nin party all invis when they go in... they pop and just WRECK the healers.... then kill dps afterwards.... thats totally legit as well and an easy win w/o any healers.... there are just so many possibilities if you remove the stupid RESTRICTIONS... it would be SO MUCH MORE FUN.

Apparently there are plans to improve Wolve's Den. It just won't happen till after Heavensward is released.

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Q: Can you tell us about any plans in the future for additions or expansions to the Wolves' Den?
A: A lot of players are getting involved with Frontline, and even players who previously were not interested in PvP are participating in greater numbers. The current concept of the Wolves' Den is a place for people who want to improve themselves and become even stronger in PvP. We'll be making adjustments to Frontline including the addition of new maps and rules, and we'd like to see more players motivated to get better at PvP. However, if we make adjustments to both Frontline and Wolves' Den at the same time, it would

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become a bit too fragmented and we're concerned that matching might become difficult. For this reason, we'd like to focus on Frontline first and once the number of these motivated players increases further we'd then like to add rewards, rankings, and a season system to the Wolves' Den. We'd like to proceed carefully so that those players who are really interested in PvP because of Frontline aren't discouraged because they try the Wolves' Den and get defeated immediately.

Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...809-11-2014%29

This needs to be bumped. I think this deserves a dev reply so we know what SE's plans are. It would be really nice to see a hot fix removing rank matching at least.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

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become a bit too fragmented and we're concerned that matching might become difficult. For this reason, we'd like to focus on Frontline first and once the number of these motivated players increases further we'd then like to add rewards, rankings, and a season system to the Wolves' Den. We'd like to proceed carefully so that those players who are really interested in PvP because of Frontline aren't discouraged because they try the Wolves' Den and get defeated immediately.

Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...809-11-2014%29

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This is fantastic but it would be nice to know when. I'm reading Yoshi's response but it doesn't make sense to me. They have already made the appropriate adjustments (moral is fixed, and new players have all pvp skills from the get-go, except for the upgrade which would not make things all that uneven regardless of rank) so that new players would not suffer as badly as they use to. Their response sounds like more of a... "just look forward to it... (but wait 6 more months)"... kind of response. The solution is simple. Remove rank matching, revert back to 1 tank 1 heal 2 dps (any dps). This would fix the problem. I think they just haven't even looked at it.. at all... we should not have to wait 6 months for this simple fix.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

Their response sounds like more of a... "just look forward to it... (but wait 6 more months)"... kind of response.

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That's exactly what it appears to be. Their priorities seemingly lie elsewhere at the moment. The game is still fairly new however. If you take a look at other games like world of warcraft, their arena system wasn't even released until the first expansion. But they did have several battlegrounds and dueling to compensate. Something we don't have.

I wonder when they plan on making adjustments. Do you think well have to wait until 3.0 because that makes me pretty mad. This should have been fixed 2 patches ago. Its not even a difficult change.

I think we will probably see new max rank and new gear before 3.0, but that is probably it with regards to PvP changes IMO.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

I wonder when they plan on making adjustments. Do you think well have to wait until 3.0 because that makes me pretty mad. This should have been fixed 2 patches ago. Its not even a difficult change.

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Yeah I'll think we'll be waiting till 3.0 or after. There's plenty of PVE related stuff that they need to do for Heavensward and they're still working on the Gold Saucer too.

Its not a difficult change to make but we have to consider if SE even wants to make your proposed changes (removing rank matching, any choice of 2 dps for WD). I would personally like to see those changes as well.

I really do hope they do something soon. I want more options. Right now its nothing but slaughter. Can't even get a secure match.