Hotfix incoming!

So the hotfix is incoming and the BLM golden days are about to end. It was broken as hell but that doesn't mean we wont take advantage of it, lol. How many kills have all you casters manage to farm? I'm at 550 kills with 50 matches since the 2.5 update. Kinda lower then I expected but I guess all the 8v8v8s stunted the kill count it a bit.

But, if the only change is an increase in cast time to cometeor things might not change at all. :p

Plz ninja patch in cleric stance for healers in slaughter mode.
So i can abuse it like how blms abused their golden days.

To be honest, it's not gonna make THAT much of a difference. It just forces BLM and SMN to focus a bit more on the timing of their LB. Will it affect the amount of kills they get, yeah maybe a bit. Will it bring them to the bottom of the scoreboards? Hell no.

the real problem is that everyone still fighting in the middle.

It seems as though that was the plan to begin with from the interview with Yoshi-P...

From Slycer's translation:

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What kind of battle will happen in the central area where monsters appear?
Y: It will frequently wind up being a battle with 72 people.

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Kinda disappointed at that since well.. it basically screws over anyone who doesn't have a high end computer or is on PS3. :/

Personally, I think the cast time change is needed but they also need to do something about the radius of the LB. It telegraphs for the circle that appears and then for several yalms outside that radius. I've been far away from the cast when it finishes and STILL get hit.

Lame fix , solves nothing. Give us 1v1 pvp where skill would actually matter.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

the real problem is that everyone still fighting in the middle.

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Play Secure!

/endshamelessattempttogetpeoplebackinsecure
8v8v8 has been very intimate, but boy do I miss the 72 player matches.

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Originally Posted by morerancor

Lame fix , solves nothing. Give us 1v1 pvp where only scholars would actually matter.

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FTFY

I would however love to see a 5v5 or 8v8 wolves den

Hot fix won't change anything really.

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

FTFY

I would however love to see a 5v5 or 8v8 wolves den

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Killing scholars and summoners 1v1 is a challenge. But that's why I said it would be skill based. 1v1 would provide fast ques and chance for everyone to improve their pvp skills. Secure and the den are pretty much dead and slaughters just a kill farm for blm's

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Originally Posted by morerancor

Killing scholars and summoners 1v1 is a challenge. But that's why I said it would be skill based. 1v1 would provide fast ques and chance for everyone to improve their pvp skills. Secure and the den are pretty much dead and slaughters just a kill farm for blm's

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This happens in all games:

* Roll the class with the most obvious advantages
* Say your wins vs classes with obvious disadvantages were because you were more skilled

FFXIV isn't designed for 1v1 combat. If they introduced it as a legit form of pvp, then there would be lots and lots of complaints. I don't think 1v1 would help people improve their pvp skills, I'd say the majority of problems in pvp stem from players who don't know how to work as a team. So I don't see what 1v1 would teach people about team work.

I racked up about 1200 kills in about 100 games, mostly as SMN. I did play a couple games as BLM and WAR as well. Unfortunately, a lot of it depends on how many 24 mans you queue into versus 72 mans.

Hotfix didn't do much. Comet spam is still possible and so is combining sleep with it.

Yup, played a few matches and it's still pretty much the same.

Time to try for 5k kills before the inevitable 2.52 changes roll in, lol.

Seems like hotfix didn't really do much. So... what now? >_>

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Originally Posted by zeopower6

Seems like hotfix didn't really do much. So... what now? >_>

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We can all go back to playing Secure.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

We can all go back to playing Secure.

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That will be hard. It takes 3x longer and gives the exact same reward (less if you kill battle fever/high players). I wish they would of thought about secure before they implemented slaughter. Too late now I guess.

Easier said than done when it comes to playing Secure... it never pops compared to Slaughter. :(

RIP Secure.

My first 72 Slaughter Post Cometeor adjustment.

(Scoreboard showing just Flames)
edited: removed photo, will link if requested, but would rather not broadcast the premade's names as it may look like flaming or something.
case in point, 6 casters with 15+ kills each, 1 with 27 or some crazy number.
edited #2Frak it, here's the photo. Mods can delete post if it's over the line. Anyone in match can see this info post
edited3: haven't used ms paint since the 90s
http://i.imgur.com/BTLOEp2.png

So as many predicted, nothing's change.

I'd like to point out as soon as I saw the first AOE marker I looked at the scoreboard. It was 4/4/16 when the first LBs were cast (before LB kills were calculated). Flames had 16 kills when adder/mael only had 4 each.

Is that a lot?

Basically, they all had fever for the whole match... or at least, up until the end.

Honestly, I love to PvP and all but if all I have to deal with in Frontline is being slept or bound and having 5 LBs tossed out every time, it's just not fun by any means. I'd like to play Secure instead but people seem to prefer Slaughter for the moment due to the quicker games and easier marks.

I would be better if they explained how their queuing system works. If I get faster queues doing roulette, I would do that, but I'm too scared about getting stuck in a 1h long secure match that would never start, so I just queue for slaughter right now, which only makes the issue worse since everyone else is doing that.

If they came out and said roulette does give faster queues and explain why then I would switch over. Until then I don't trust their system one bit.

Roulette takes forever compared to just queuing for Slaughter. :( Tried it a few times and got stuck in queue while my LS got into several slaughter games.

doing a premade with lots of BLMs is not against the rules but I think they're exploiting the situation.

Of course it's not against the rules~ (neither was the SMN/SMN DPS situation in WD)

But it's not really fun to play against teams that are basically all casters and cast their LBs one after another.

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Originally Posted by zeopower6

Of course it's not against the rules~ (neither was the SMN/SMN DPS situation in WD)

But it's not really fun to play against teams that are basically all casters and cast their LBs one after another.

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You can always join the darkside (non-slaughter que-ers) lol

I refuse to do the pvp roulette or slaughter until they fix it, but from the look of things it seems to be working as they intended. I may just get my ADS mount and bail on PvP in this game altogether if something doesn't change. I can barely stay alive as a WAR in full VIT build as is with all the LB spam in slaughter as is :/

Ok... doing a 72 person Slaughter match showed me the problem.

One or two Black mages casting Cometeor? Not that big of an issue. When it's seven or eight it gets into the extreme. It's just not as fun when you have multiple BLMs camping the landing area with Adrenaline rushes.

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Originally Posted by zeopower6

Roulette takes forever compared to just queuing for Slaughter. :( Tried it a few times and got stuck in queue while my LS got into several slaughter games.

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That should change when (if?) they add PvP experience to the roulette rewards.

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Originally Posted by FuraXai

Hotfix didn't do much. Comet spam is still possible and so is combining sleep with it.

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Saw that one coming!

Maybe personal aoe lb limit break I just too much. Change it to just plain old comet single target massive damage jus like melee

What I think they should have done is release a standard team deathmatch mode to go aside this slaughter (1 lb per party). As is, with Slaughter independent LBs and the way LB gauge behaves and highs/fevers, this isn't a vanilla TDM mode, it's more aptly named Enraged Mode or something.

Hard to get a proper TDM feel when 75% of a match is wiping to an enraged alliance.

24man on the other hand I really enjoy.

I already knew that the cometeor hotfix wasn't going to fix the lb spam issue as now blms are just using cc before the lbs instead of just throwing them out. I'm starting to think personal lbs aren't doing the slaughter mode any justice, as pre-made groups with voice com or macros can just coordinate when to spam 5 lbs at the same time still, and that doesn't really show any kind of pvp skill, just coordination with lbs (hence why I love 8 v 8 v 8 slaughter at best).

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

What I think they should have done is release a standard team deathmatch mode to go aside this slaughter (1 lb per party). As is, with Slaughter independent LBs and the way LB gauge behaves and highs/fevers, this isn't a vanilla TDM mode, it's more aptly named Enraged Mode or something.

Hard to get a proper TDM feel when 75% of a match is wiping to an enraged alliance.

24man on the other hand I really enjoy.

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Thus far my two favorites are 72-man Secure and 24-man Slaughter, at least the way the rules all are now. I'd love to see Slaughter back to party-based LB. I mentioned in another thread that it would encourage varied parties again for faster building, I stand by it.

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Originally Posted by nakano13

I already knew that the cometeor hotfix wasn't going to fix the lb spam issue as now blms are just using cc before the lbs instead of just throwing them out. I'm starting to think personal lbs aren't doing the slaughter mode any justice, as pre-made groups with voice com or macros can just coordinate when to spam 5 lbs at the same time still, and that doesn't really show any kind of pvp skill, just coordination with lbs (hence why I love 8 v 8 v 8 slaughter at best).

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5 LB's at the same time is an exageration. Coordination, believe it or not, is a PvP skill. If two Ninja's stealthed to the backline and took out two healers with their LB's you would probably praise them. This is no different.