Kicked before last boss

So, being kicked right in front of last boss’ door is the new mode?

Yesterday I saw in AK Hard a vote dismiss kicked a MNK at the very end of the dungeon, about to enter last boss.

Everything was smooth and we had no problems in the run.

I voted No, but he was kicked anyway. And the only thing the others two answered when I stated at them for doing so was "XD". I tried to lock last boss to make them waste a bit of time, assuming the dungeon was lost for me too, useless and childish I know, and I was kicked right after obviously.

And talking about that with my FC mates, I find out it happened to some of them in the last days, like “two or three guys enter together and kick the others at the end to make some friend access the dungeon at that point”

Reported it, no answer from SE. Just an automatic reply that comes to my box again and again every hour.

never seen or heard of such a thing, so i don't it's something common.
i don't know what the point is to run trough a DF, to kick someone, and invite a friend at the end...they could have just run it together from the start?
also you don't always get who you want; the other day we kicked an AFK person, and i asked in a LS for a rep, so there was a DD that cue for 3min, but he didnt get any access to our in-progress, instead we got someone else, after several min.
so they get 2 chances to kick ppl, and get their preferred rep, if not, they wasted the entire run for nothing...so, well...they are idiots.

Wow just when I thought people couldn't sink any lower... Sucks for you but not sure how abuse like this can be prevented...

That is a doing even by single players, as long as happened to me, to see a member kick proposal but it were refused. That means, just one had triggered it but fortunately, me and the other member denied.

I think it is correct to ask SE to let us know the name of the people that starts member dismissal request. I want kick them instead and I think it is correct.

my prevention? play tank... go ahead kick me i dare you, but seriously if 2 buddies wanna troll this way there isn't a lot to do about it except leave in protest but if you are a dps its not much of a protest.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Sadly I dont think there is a way to prevent this.
For now I think the best think to do is to atleast give it a try and report it.
As this is an abusive way of using the vote kick function.
In my opinion anyways.

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He did say he tried to report it but i can tell you they have said they take no action in such situations, unless there's some kind of verbal abuse trolling or griefing in the chat logs. The vote kick is mostly on us to police atm

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I know, which is why I said "give it a try".

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its been tried there's dozens of posts with gm screen shot basically saying we will do nothing in these situations. performing the same action more than once and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

Sadly I dont think there is a way to prevent this.
You could do so that the party have to wipe atleast once before vote kicking is an option.
But then the others could just mess everything up and kick after that.

For now I think the best think to do is to atleast give it a try and report it.
As this is an abusive way of using the vote kick function.
In my opinion anyways.

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Originally Posted by Set-Abominae

He did say he tried to report it but i can tell you they have said they take no action in such situations, unless there's some kind of verbal abuse trolling or griefing in the chat logs. The vote kick is mostly on us to police atm

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I know, which is why I said "give it a try".

People abuse bootsystem to replace a "foreign player" by a friend, so they they get Poetic tomes + chest loots from final boss in 5mins, instead of doing the dungeon at the start... wow.. just wow... this is so low minded and very unfair too!

The wait time for DPS-classes on expert roulete are around 15mins. (well, for me it is -.-; )
The needed time for doing 1 of these dungeons takes about 30mins.
Youre finaly at final boss, ready to battle and boom! "You have left the dungeon" /loadscreen -> "o.O? What happend?!"

I would be really frustrated about this! Wasted 45mins - got no poetic tomes + chest I worked for!
Is this a new "trend" from 5years olds thinking its... "funny"...? <-<
Do we have to play with the fear being booted at final boss?

This really sucks!

This happened to me twice, and reported twice. Absolutely no reason for it

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Originally Posted by Radacci

never seen or heard of such a thing, so i don't it's something common.
i don't know what the point is to run trough a DF, to kick someone, and invite a friend at the end...they could have just run it together from the start?
also you don't always get who you want; the other day we kicked an AFK person, and i asked in a LS for a rep, so there was a DD that cue for 3min, but he didnt get any access to our in-progress, instead we got someone else, after several min.
so they get 2 chances to kick ppl, and get their preferred rep, if not, they wasted the entire run for nothing...so, well...they are idiots.

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Poetic tomes. And to quote Alfred, "Some people just want to watch the world burn."

no surprise sounds like the normal trolls.. some ppl just get thier jollies being ehemms to ppl i remember joining a df party n the tank was like hahaha u dps wait 40mins ill sit here n not do anything i can requeue n join in less then 5 so im like hahaha u just sit there then do nothin we dont care so the heals n other dps n i cleaned up to first boss then kicked him lol he rejoined the dungeon hurled abuse at us for kicking him lol so we kicked him again xD

there is a way to prevent this...remove kick option...but most would scream.

You see, it happens because they can, nothing forbid it, nothing made to prevent it, since when someone is kicked for no reasons or abusive reasons, even if reported is none of SE business, so really, is even cautioned by SE.

That means that single players, those that cant devote time to a static, or cant be with their FC because of some time difference or because not at the same level or whatever, will get these kind of attitudes, more and more and more and they are, will be totally powerless.

You, the majority, asked for this function aka kick option to exist, there is no point whatsoever to complain about that option that all wanted. Since there is no control, it will be abused and only some elite will be able to move forward. It is not right that new people cant say they are new because they will get kicked, there is no reasons for anyone to just forbid someone to play because of the way they squint or talk and yes I have seen that too... but alas you all gave it a green light to happen.

Complaining now makes you all hypocrites, it was to be foreseen, it was in the air the moment this kick option was introduced, now you just have to deal with it, is too late.

the good of having the kick option is far less then the abuse that is daily, hourly made of it.

Mei

This isn't that new happens to me in Haital HM in 2.2. Lets not also forget about early days of ST.

I thought if people enter the dungeon as a party, such as two players together, the light party requires a minimum of three players to make a decision rather than the standard two. I could have sworn that was in patch notes somewhere in the past, although I've never tried to test it. If kick option doesn't function like this, then they should change it.

Wow, just wow.
This is really bad and abuse of the system. I hope they find some kind of solution for this. :( B.H.A. does not approve this!

A kick in a 4 person dungeon should require a vote of 3. Two friends can kick whoever they like. That's not appropriate in my view.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

A kick in a 4 person dungeon should require a vote of 3. Two friends can kick whoever they like. That's not appropriate in my view.

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Problem with this is that it would allow 2 trolls to join togheter and you wouldnt be able to kick them.

In the end if something can be abused it WILL be abused and unfortunaly in this case there aint much to do other then report and hope for the best, if it start happening alot then i guess the option would be to run with friends/FC

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Problem with this is that it would allow 2 trolls to join togheter and you wouldnt be able to kick them.

In the end if something can be abused it WILL be abused and unfortunaly in this case there aint much to do other then report and hope for the best, if it start happening alot then i guess the option would be to run with friends/FC

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I would just leave then. I've been the victim of one kick like this outlined by the OP. It was because the tank thought I should have something else included in my rotation but didn't. And what is to stop two trolls from kicking people for no cause?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I would just leave then. I've been the victim of one kick like this outlined by the OP. It was because the tank though I should have something else included in my rotation but didn't. And what is to stop two trolls from kicking people for no cause?

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Exacly, no matter how you change it your still gonna get trolls.

If it takes 3 votes then 2 trolls can enter same instance and not be kicked.

If it takes 2 votes then 2 trolls can voteick people from group.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

A kick in a 4 person dungeon should require a vote of 3. Two friends can kick whoever they like. That's not appropriate in my view.

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They should just make it so that players who queue together only count as one vote. So if two players out of the three who can vote queued together, you would get one "Yes" and one "No" vote. If two who queued together selected different options, it automatically goes to "No". If the total votes of the two players and the one person are equal, the vote kick doesn't happen. This wouldn't hinder genuine kicking since they would be on the same page if it was genuine. Then again, this doesn't work when you have three players who queued together. :/

All you can do is report them. While you may not receive anything besides an automated response if you don't report it in-game, it does go against that player's record, and if SE sees that a player is getting reported a bunch of times from multiple players, then they will know that they need to investigate or take action. Since it's against the Terms of Service, I never vote in favor of kicking or start a kick against someone that doesn't fall under the 4 categories or if the player who initiated the kick chose the wrong category.

People should stop blowing this out of proportion. Think about how many dungeons you've done and how many times this has happened to you. I'm probably around 800 dungeons completed and I can count the number of times I've been abusively kicked on one hand.

In addition to that, I can think of more times pre-vote-kick where people would join dungeons or raids and then just go afk right at the start. Before vote kick you could either a) carry that person or b) leave and take a penalty and the only thing that's changed is c) vote abandon.

My point is, no matter what SE changes or does, shitty people are going to abuse the system in order to grief people. I can guarantee that the average person will have more good experiences than bad ones, people just don't come here to talk about their good experiences generally. Take those bad experiences with a grain of salt and just move on, otherwise the trolls win.

I agree. There should be a 3:1 ratio for kicks to be allowed. If only 3 peeps are in a dungeon, a 4th member must join the party, to complete the vote.

This is why we should be able to 'name and shame' people and not get in trouble. PS4 for example lets you hit a button to save off the last few minutes of gameplay to a video or save a screen clip so seems to me like it should be justified to post a record of abusive players.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

This is why we should be able to 'name and shame' people and not get in trouble. PS4 for example lets you hit a button to save off the last few minutes of gameplay to a video or save a screen clip so seems to me like it should be justified to post a record of abusive players.

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Because lynch mobs always dispense justice fairly and never target the wrong people through misunderstandings or hasty judgment...

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Because lynch mobs always dispense justice fairly and never target the wrong people through misunderstandings or hasty judgment...

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But if it was me doing it, that would mean it was for a good reason so it should be ok.

Report the vote kick abuser. Even if it seem like nothing is being done about it, at least there will be a record of it in SE database. When they data mine this stuff it will highlight the trolls clearly. But I've known people who were trolling CT and got reported and got penalties from the GMs. They even went so far and called me the snitch, a title I was gladly willing to assume, and I did report them too. So the stuff that is actionable if people do report, the GMs do what they have to. The problem is for player not on your server and not in communications with, it is entirely not obvious as to what action has been taken.

SE GM's are pretty good at dealing with issues just report everything even if they feel it's not enough for them to be punished at least next time they do it there will be a record that they did it before and they will probably be punished for persistently abusing kick. It doesn't seem like trolling it seems like somebody needed roulette but was doing something so they just decided to get them in on the last boss to get the roulette rewards or something. Not seen many troll kicks in my time it's usually just to help a friend abuse the system.

Simple solution: Don't roll on loot until the timer is about to finish. You can't boot people while there is loot, and you can usually clear the next boss within the time limit.

There is a very easy way to fix this. Nerf the loot - reduce drops for all remaining members if a party member is kicked, and maybe for those who join in progress too.

Drop rates should decrease proportionally. No penalty if any members are kicked at the beginning of the dungeon. If 4 of 8 objectives have been completed, a vote kick will adjust unopened treasure chests to have a 50% chance of giving allagan coin pieces (remainder of drop table is scaled by 50%). Tomes and gil are also reduced by 50%. Once the boss room is accessible, any successful vote kick results in the final chest only dropping chubs (any tome rewards are reduced to 10 soldiery).

All players, including those who joined in-progress, will be ineligible to receive Allagan Robes. No sands, no oils, no diamond dust. On the unlikely chance that you're a legitimate player and for some reason have no choice but to kick someone near the end, you can just run it again.

eta: I really don't get why anyone would go to that level of effort to steal tomes, they're really not that hard to cap.

It sucks, but there is not much that could be implemented that would prevent this abuse and not open up another way to troll.

If it becomes harder kick someone falsely, it becomes harder to kick someone for trolling.
If it becomes easier to kick someone who's trolling, it becomes easier for a group of trolls to grief by kicking people that don't deserve it.

Had these people who abuse the system been on your server, you could damage their reputation for their behavior by contacting their FC. But since we often get matched with people who don't exist in your game before and after the dungeon, there is no discouragement for trolling in this way.

This happens in other games involving grouped instances. I consider it the lesser of two evils, as I would much rather have the ability to remove someone from the group that isn't performing, or is intentionally harassing simply because they can.

People wonder why Yoshi doesn't want premade parties in Duties, this is why. I support if you remove premade parties Yoshi.