allied seals .....

Why not just add like 5 seals to low level roulette as well as 10 seals to high level roulette 20 seals for expert roulette and frontlines roulette and maybe 5 seals for boarskin and piesteskin maps??

This would help alleviate so congestion with the A rank and S rank zerg fest!!! there isn't a mob that lasts more then 3 minutes from spawn to death time atm in our server no one waits for no one and its insta death its even worse then it was before they incrased the HP of them.

Being the leader of several hunt linkshells, the best thing I can tell you is to upgrade your company. Second hand information always is a hold up. When my LS's find a hunt they wait around 5 minutes. Most peoples issue is either second hand information coming slow, or you trying to finish up what you are doing. If you are hunting, it takes priority, there is no let me finish this craft or let me finish buying this. You WILL miss it.

They didn't adjust hunts last time (other than a hp buff) when their was an outcry about it. The amount of seals you listed for each of those items will do nothing to alleviate the congestion as it is still quicker to get seals from hunts.

I'm sorry if your post was brought about due to you not getting enough credit on the hunts, do what I do when in the zone and it's called out (get in a group or form one with the inc). Other than that I don't go out of my way for hunts unless I'm in the zone and not on a gathering/crafting binge.

i have been standing and made the call out on several of them and was dead in under 3 minutes every time A or S ranks on this server... It needs some adjustments maybe its different on your server but here its insane just saying that there should be more options. hunts will still always be the best option but it also would afford an opportuniy to those who are on ps3 or a slow pc / isp. I was stating this as general not because of myself personally i havent bothered doing any hunts since the patch too busy with other stuff still.

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dead in under 3 minutes every time A or S ranks on this server...

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Consider yourself fortunate that on your server they are up for close to 3 minutes (that's a lifetime for the whole server to show up and try to kill it... inc lag if that's case), they are dead on mine in under 1 minute the moment they are found.

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Being the leader of several hunt linkshells, the best thing I can tell you is to upgrade your company. Second hand information always is a hold up. When my LS's find a hunt they wait around 5 minutes. Most peoples issue is either second hand information coming slow, or you trying to finish up what you are doing. If you are hunting, it takes priority, there is no let me finish this craft or let me finish buying this. You WILL miss it.

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Seconding this. If you are hunting, hunt actively. Go to the zones where hunts are going to spawn soon and search for them/try to spawn them. Don't expect that you'll be able to port in from some other zone once the call goes out and make it in time.

Otherwise, why shouldn't the people who did the work of finding/spawning the mark be the ones who get the credit for it?

No, no, no, No, No! Keep hunts and everything about it out of Frontlines!

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Between coil drops and hunts I upgraded all my poetics gear on the 2nd day of 2.5 was out and do not even do them anymore. You will run out of stuff to upgrade if you do hunts pretty fast and it will die down again because who wants to do hunts after already upgraded gear.

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No, no, no, No, No! Keep hunts and everything about it out of Frontlines!

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because pvp doesn't need any incentives to get people to participate .....

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Then they should make frontlines more tolerable/interesting for more players. You have the GC restrictions which already damper the queue times, as well as the set ups of secure (and now slaughter) that favor one class stacking or the other, while giving another a fairly big disadvantage that you can't help but pray to god.

Hell, people are getting the tomestones for participating in frontlines anyway regardless of if they win or lose. To me, the game mode is simply not fun or a complete mess for me to be able to enjoy it.

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because pvp doesn't need any incentives to get people to participate .....

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Wow, you actually sat there, in this giant theme park of a game, and waited 4 hours just to do one match of PvP? Sorry, I would've gone and done something (or hell, quite a few things) during that wait.

But as for the hunts, be patient. Most people only started doing hunts again to get Carbontwines and Carboncoats. SE said that they would eventually add those to WoD. When that happens, I'm sure the hunt zergfest will die down again and "Troll Tower III: World of Troll" will get into full gear.

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because pvp doesn't need any incentives to get people to participate .....

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The last thing we need are even more PvE bros that are only there for rewards.

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Wow, you actually sat there, in this giant theme park of a game, and waited 4 hours just to do one match of PvP? Sorry, I would've gone and done something (or hell, quite a few things) during that wait.

But as for the hunts, be patient. Most people only started doing hunts again to get Carbontwines and Carboncoats. SE said that they would eventually add those to WoD. When that happens, I'm sure the hunt zergfest will die down again and "Troll Tower III: World of Troll" will get into full gear.

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Some people only like to PvP. I have a friend who does FL all the time well I'm off farming and grinding. Each person ticks differently.
Plus you can go do other things in RL well leaving the queue up on your computer.

OT though it could be nice to have some stuff thrown out there in more areas, at the same time it's not needed. I tried doing hunts but as someone stated before on the gilgamesh server hunts are dead within the first minute, even 30 seconds I'd say. It's nuts at the moment because everyone wants easy access to ilvl130 gear as enough time has passed for most people to have a full set of poetics gear but maybe not access to a T10-13 raid group or are on weekly lockout.

Give it time, see what SE does and if we're lucky they'll add the drops to WoD sometime in the future.

Honestly if they are going to put allied notes into high/expert, why not just put the upgrade items into the soldiery/poetic vendor instead. That would be better then maintaining a convoluted upgrade system. That way you can buy it from one NPC instead of go to NPC A buy item, go to npc B trade item, go to NPC C trade item = Reward. So stupid, and actually quiet confusing for newer players to mmos.

these are only suggestions to give people more of a variety or options to attain allied seals. What if soldiery or poetics were only obtainable from one source?? People like a variety of different game plays so there should be various options for various game styles is all i am trying to suggest. Not saying that all my ideas may be the greatest just trying to enhance possibilities.

I agree with the OP. Allied seals are more important then Poetics at this point. (for a main job at least)

Spread them around to entice people to explore more content.

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It certainly doesn't. If your queues are near 5 hours, then either the DF is bugged, or you've been placed in a queue group with an unpopular language. Just withdraw and requeue, and try having English as the only selected language. There were enough people, prior to 2.5, playing Frontlines, that during Primetime, if you knew what to do, your queues would either be instant or 5 to 10 minutes. Something is wrong with the 2.5 queue system.

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No, no, no, No, No! Keep hunts and everything about it out of Frontlines!

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I find there should be at least a S rank in Frontlines. It would be an interesting fight.

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Wow, you actually sat there, in this giant theme park of a game, and waited 4 hours just to do one match of PvP? Sorry, I would've gone and done something (or hell, quite a few things) during that wait.

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Like what? You can't join any group nor you can call your chocobo, and you can't queue for anything else.

While waiting, the only thing you can really do in this game is crafting or gathering... granted you like doing that.

So much for that "theme park of a game".

Why not just add it to daily login and weekly login? Everybody would be happy and lazy..

We has a weekly limit of 450 on Poetic tomes, (was also Myth, then Solderie tomes)
Why no weekly for those hunt-seals...?

We have a weekly limit on seals: a BIG problem/issue solved.

I suppose another idea would be to let you buy Unstained Mark logs with Poetics tomes? Maybe 150 poetics per Mark log, i.e. 1 Carbontwine for 2 weeks worth of tomes.

This could be considered a waste by some, but it would give those who already have all the Poetics gear they want something else to spend them on.

Not a bad idea but nothing is going to draw people away from hunts until there is a more efficient way of getting seals. Its only week 2 of 2.5 and I have already talked to tanks who haven't cleared t9 with a higher ilvl than me and I'm working on t12. With how great the rewards are from hunts nothing is going to stop people from farming day and night.

NO! Remove the pvp GC restrictions if that's what this is about. Putting almost every point system into all systems makes the game homogeneous and boring.

was hoping that they would of done something with the last set of hotfixes ... :(

I do agree that something needs to be done. I've been in several parties lately for S ranks where everyone was there and active, but the hunt died so quickly we didn't get full when normally we would've. All the other currency in game you have multiple options to obtain. Need gil? Craft, gather, run content, leves, etc. Need GC seals? Make green crafted items and trade in, run dungeons and trade in loot drops, do your daily turns in, gc leves, guildhests, FATEs. Need poetics and soldiery? Run roulettes, maps, anything from 4 man dungeons, to coil, to primals, to CTs. Need venture? Maps, beast tribe, leves, buy with GC and Allied seals.
Need Allied Seals? Allied seals is the only thing in PvE that you HAVE to hunt to obtain. Why aren't there other options like for other PvE currency?

Maybe they need to institute some kind of a daily S rank lockout, and increase the frequency they can pop. Remove the aggressive status as well. Clearly it would take a little bit of redesigning, but that would likely fix some of this. Increasing HP sounds likes a great plan, or even placing buffs based on number of players. But the real issue comes when too many players join the zone, and/or are on screen. The issue suddenly will change from players only seeing the mob for seconds, to players not able to even act on said monster due to any number of technical issues. Like server lag, console/PC limitation graphically, zone lockout actually triggering(never seen this although i know its there). If there was quicker pops, and a daily or by daily lockout, then the first wave of people will get it, and a 2nd wave would be able to take part. Therefor making it a little more accessible.

just more ways to be able to gainthem would be great. the zerg trains still havent stopped. I would not even want to cinsider how bad it is for people on ps3 :(

No, no, no. Those points are for hunts. You're just trying to make it possible to get all currencies from all content. This idea homogenizes the content. If you have a problem with how hunt rewards are balanced that's fine. Have that discussion. Do not try to make it to you can farm every currency by doing only one thing.

yes they should allow all currencies to be placed in various ways in a game this way it does not force you to have to do one type of specific content which for some people like ps3 users as i stated above is almost impossible. its not just about the upgrading for 120>130 items there are lots of other various items like i 90 gear for newer players as well as vanity gear minions and seeds for gardening which are untradeable or unsellable. so forcing gardeners to hunt is unfair for some. theyallow other currencies to be gained in lots of other ways... ie/ soldiery and poetics can be gained in almost everything.

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yes they should allow all currencies to be placed in various ways in a game this way it does not force you to have to do one type of specific content which for some people like ps3 users as i stated above is almost impossible.

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I completely disagree. The answer is to fix our balance the content. Not to roll the rewards to other content. This solution in no way attempts to fix the actual problem.

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I'd actually be ok with that. When the tome reward was lower on A ranks people farmed it less and the balance felt better.

Now that I'm on lunch I can actually post some ideas for fixing hunts that I was thinking of.

- Double the spawn rate and half the points. More hunts means more chances for people who are unlucky or have slow loading times.
- Make it so even 1 hit can get you full credit. Makes it more flexible for slower people getting there or solo players.
- Make the A rank HP on a scale that is based on the previous amount of players to kill it just like fates. Add a half life or some other degradation if the mob sits unclaimed long enough.
- Add an ability like the gatherers have that finds the hourly nodes but this point points to hunts that have popped. Evens the playing field between users who can and can't/won't user radar. Might even negate the need for it entirely.
- Add some mildly farmable items than can be used to force pop an A rank. 1 per character type items. Possibly a key item. I'd see parties forming with each player holding one of these items. 8 A ranks in a row is a good night of farming and it would be relatively easy. These force pops are tiered to the difficulty of an 8 person party. Or heck make them full alliance pop items. That would be a blast.

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Do not try to make it to you can farm every currency by doing only one thing.

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then totally remove tomestone from hunt.

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i90 gear for newer players as well as vanity gear minions and seeds for gardening which are untradeable or unsellable. so forcing gardeners to hunt is unfair for some. theyallow other currencies to be gained in lots of other ways... ie/ soldiery and poetics can be gained in almost everything.

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The i90 gear from the hunt billmaster went away several patches ago, whenever Allagan and Myth gear became desynthable. The i110 gear is more cost effective to buy with soldiery anyway. Gardeners can do their weekly hunt for 100, and the daily hunts give 64 per day if you finish them. That's 548 seals a week without ever having to touch the zergmurdertrain. In any case, just because some currency is available through multiple activities doesn't mean they all should be. I mean, if we're going to go that route, I should get PVP points for listing things on the market because dealing with undercutters is just another form of competition between players.

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No, no, no. Those points are for hunts. You're just trying to make it possible to get all currencies from all content. This idea homogenizes the content. If you have a problem with how hunt rewards are balanced that's fine. Have that discussion. Do not try to make it to you can farm every currency by doing only one thing.

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Wait what? My point was there are multiple ways to get the allied seals and essentially there are options to exchange one type of currency for another in PvE. But the hunts have to stay as the only w2ay to Allied seals... just cuz? I'm not seeing a concrete reason, so I'm curious why this one currency HAS to be unlike the others.

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But as for the hunts, be patient. Most people only started doing hunts again to get Carbontwines and Carboncoats. SE said that they would eventually add those to WoD. When that happens, I'm sure the hunt zergfest will die down again and "Troll Tower III: World of Troll" will get into full gear.

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I'm not gonna invest in this thread cause I get heated over Hunts in their current iteration. Just wanted to say "Troll Tower III: World of Troll" ... I laughed out loud for a solid minute. +1 dude, +1

Again debating back and forth is pointless sadly.
SE needs to step up and fix the issue today...not continue to ignore it, not 4,5,6 patches later....today.

They have been well aware of the problems for a long time, no excuses imo.

Adding a few seals from other means is not a bad idea, but actually fixing the hunts themselves FIRST would ensure hunts can be enjoyed by all. And not for just now, but throughout the lifetime of the game.

Many people on the forums and in game have come up with some excellent solutions, time to implement, or at the very very least acknowledge the problem and let us know a solution will be implemented in a timely fashion.

And no need to up the cost of the newest items 3 fold each time.... 4 years from now, will we need to farm hunts for a year straight to grab 1 item? They tend to have reality "issues" with the cost of many things in game, never a slight increase but bam...mega increase.

stop beating on a dead horse guys. they wont "fix" this anymore with heavensward beeing so close hunts will be obsolete soon anyway and a new system will give out the seals. highly doubtful they are going to make lvl 60 players farm lvl 50 mark hunts. SE has known these issues and was offered countless solutions to it some good some bad some average. they didnt pick ANY of em. so what makes you guys even THINK they will care NOW when lvl 50 content is going to be outdated so soon? just doesnt make sense anymore to add a cap or something else at this point. deal with it or take a break till expansion.

yeah add seals for pvp allied seals

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No, no, no, No, No! Keep hunts and everything about it out of Frontlines!

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If this is the average mentality of the average player in FFXIV, god save us. Why would you even care if allied seals were given in Frontlines? Not like you would PVP anyway, but those who enjoy PVP would have a reason to do so, and those who enjoy hunts could keep doing them (haha enjoy hunts...lol). Is it better that the entire server is zerg hunting like soulless thralls while the rest of the stuff is dead because DF has abysmal queue times and there are only PFs about hunts and about people selling 4 star crafts?

No wonder SE takes everything what is said here with a grain of salt, some of you make absolutely no sense.

if i recall, did the not say that there would be hunts in the new regions in 3.0 in the land of the flying regions etc in a live letter a while back?