An idea for Tri-Disastor

I was playing Dota 2's Warlock and a spell of his gave me an idea for the Summoners Tri-Disaster. Warlock's Spell is this, "Binds several enemy units together, causing 25% of the damage dealt to one of them to be felt by the others." The ability has a limit of up to 6 targets, but for this game, lets give it the same amount as Bane

Whats if Tri-Disaster did this and Bane prioritized enemies affected by it?
Remove the bind, and give Summoner something more practical, because the damn bind never works anyway.

What do you think? Good idea or a bad one? Completely over the top? Or a good addition?

One idea would be also removing the skill totally. Requires too much MP, one of the longest cast times in the game, lowest potency in the game. And wow aoe, such useful, many wow.

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Tri Disaster is the SMN's version of sleep, yes it doesnt affect all but if you don't like it and don't need, don't use it. Simple.

It is not there for DPS, it is simple a utility spell.

It is a Utility Spell. What im sensing from this post and the various others is Summoners are "reaching" for a way to improve their class by adding support ideas to abilities. I main a Summoner and I do feel that we will be getting a rework for 3.0...but anything before that may not be possible. I look forward to the changes and I love my SMN very much, so I understand the desperation.

It was SOMEWHAT useful back in the days where the bind wasn't removed by Shadowflare >_>

now when the tank dies, by the time I cast this, either:

1) Mobs can't be binded
2) Mobs immediately rush to me and I die
3) Mobs get binded but the bind breaks due to floor aoes or by someone else's attack
4) Mobs rush towards the healer, the cast gets interrupted due to LoS and case 2) kicks in

The spell itself, like the name implies, is a disaster in 3 areas: Long cast time, pathetic potency, weak effect (don't get me started that it's effect doesn't alter with the summoned pet)

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Originally Posted by Sanguisio

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Tri Disaster is the SMN's version of sleep, yes it doesnt affect all but if you don't like it and don't need, don't use it. Simple.

It is not there for DPS, it is simple a utility spell.

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Too bad the bind never works on anything. Doesnt even stop ranged characters from attacking so it can still end horribly.
Black Mage sleep? Almost always works. And its a sleep so it prevent s attacks all together.
Balance.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

Too bad the bind never works on anything. Doesnt even stop ranged characters from attacking so it can still end horribly.
Black Mage sleep? Almost always works. And its a sleep so it prevent s attacks all together.
Balance.

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any relevant content would like a word with you. I'd rather flare dungeons down than sleep them btw (and so would my pt)

Sleep works on sub 50 dungeon trash mobs, open world mobs, and map mobs. That's it. The stuff that you want to sleep is much more likely to be susceptible to bind than sleep.

most jobs had a questionable skill. i've used it in pvp before to save people from dying but in pve i use it once a week just cause i think the skill looks cool casting.

I've always felt like Tri-Disaster was more an analog of BLM's freeze than their sleep. In which case I really don't understand why BLM gets an AoE bind that does 100 potency as a job ability, while SMN gets one that only does 30 potency as a job ability.

Said this a few times, Tri-Disaster should 2.5 cast, bind, and double the current time of current SMN DoTs on the target. Change Contagion to something else so people feel free to use different Egi's for different situations.

What if it did this; places your bio, bio 2 and miasma on the target for half their normal duration. Instant cast with 30 second cool down.

^ Not a bad idea. Tri - 3 spells. Could even make it full duration DoTs & give an appropriate CD.

If we're going the way of a complete rework, and expanding on the 3 spells to 3 elements, it could be a combined fire/earth/wind elemental damage type spell. But then this led my train of thought off topic with a Kujata or Tetra-Disaster type summon/egi/move.

Rather keep it half duration because you would be able to snap contagion and bane 3 near full duration dots with it.

agree to change it to contagion skill but i prefer to change the physick skill to contagion and tri disaster to direct damage like potency 200 and can be execute on certain condition like mob hp below 20%..

or they can make it debuff skill..like reduce magic resistance aoe skill with 110 potency..this will make blm happy too.. :)

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

It was SOMEWHAT useful back in the days where the bind wasn't removed by Shadowflare >_>

now when the tank dies, by the time I cast this, either:

1) Mobs can't be binded
2) Mobs immediately rush to me and I die
3) Mobs get binded but the bind breaks due to floor aoes or by someone else's attack
4) Mobs rush towards the healer, the cast gets interrupted due to LoS and case 2) kicks in

The spell itself, like the name implies, is a disaster in 3 areas: Long cast time, pathetic potency, weak effect (don't get me started that it's effect doesn't alter with the summoned pet)

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^This.

The best idea for this spell would be to simply remove it and replace it with something a little more useful...

I want Tri-Disaster to be a GCD Instant that casts on the front end like Bio rather than having a cast time, and it would do a ranged AOE 30s Bind and 15s Sleep both at the same time, so when they wake up they're like ''Oh no what's going on, I can't walk, I think my foot's asleep!" And this super bright strobe effect would go off as part of the cast animation, that afflicts all sleep-resistant enemies, and all players in the area, with a 1 minute Blind status.

change it to mp buff..just for smn..better..to recover its mp management without effecting sch..

What if they made it pull all enemies within 15-20y to the targeted area, then bound them? Would set up some spread out groups for Bane, at least.

Have you guys ever hear of this strange cast, called Blizzard II? it basicaly does the same as Tri-Desaster but: it faster (2 sec cast), has a higher Potency (50 instead of 30) and cost just about half the MP.

ok, it also binds just about half as long but i've never had a situation where i prefered Tri-Desaster over Blizzard II (wich i can cross from the THM)

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Have you guys ever hear of this strange cast, called Blizzard II? it basicaly does the same as Tri-Desaster but: it faster (2 sec cast), has a higher Potency (50 instead of 30) and cost just about half the MP.

ok, it also binds just about half as long but i've never had a situation where i prefered Tri-Desaster over Blizzard II (wich i can cross from the THM)

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This isnt about damage. This is about making Tri-Disaster an interesting spell. Because as of right now, its very boring.

In the old days when Wanderer's Palace was the "go to" dungeon to farm for your weekly tomes in some of the parties I got in if we didn't have a Black Mage, but we had a Summoner we would get the Summoner to use Tri-disaster to bind the mobs and lock them out of the boss fights and generally skip them. I also used it once to bind EM Garuda's feathers so the Bard or Black Mage could AoE them down. So it might not be an every fight spell, but it can have it's uses. Regardless I do think it's time for change so maybe it could be an AoE based on the Egi you have out, so say Titan the move could have something to resemble him. Kinda of like enkindle, but less damaging and on a faster cooldown.

FYI: Quick cast + Tri -Disaster + Titan's or Ifriti's Spured Enkindle = Mass Overkill. Throw in a hard cast Shadow Flare to clean up any surviors.
Tri -disater isnt so bad......when used smartly. FYI: Tri Diaster can stop the Slime Boss in WP in he's tracks.

Few points,

Those spells arent for dmg if we're honest, utility wise Tri disaster > Bliz 2

- You do not have to be in the area for you to bind.
- Doenst affect your DPS like it would a BLM; lost of stacks
- If targets a mob not a specific place, so bearing in mind you should only need to bind if the tank hasn't gotten aggro; they will move in a grp so they should all still be hit.
- Longer bind
- Better graphics
- No chance of being hit when using it
- For SMNs in pvp it can help with making people blow off purify.
- 0.5s .......lol. Yes you can cast it slightly faster from fire but at the expense of DPS and that is also situation dependent.