PvP changes I would like to see

1. Better queuing: It takes an incredibly long time to enter FLs, even with a party (which I've heard can sometimes make it worse). Anyway this can be sped up or fixed?

2. New death penalty: Players shouldn't be penalized for dying, this is PvP, you're going to die ... a lot. I think the WoW rez system for PvP would be perfect.

3. Rated matches: A simple solution to the gear sync is to make rated and unrated matches for serious and casual players. This way, everyone knows what they are getting into beforehand.

4. Duels: Something to kill time with, it's fun, and it teaches people their class. It's a nice intro to PvP for beginners and those who are intimidated by the idea.

5. 25% damage decrease across the board: Everyone is dying too fast. And yes, this would make healers harder to kill but healers aren't supposed to be easy to kill. CC should be chained, moves interrupted, and big spells silenced to take them down. It's easier than it sounds really.

6. Duration of tank LB increased: I think the damage reduction is helpful and can help mitigate burst but it doesn't last long enough to accomplish that. Or make it so the tank takes a significantly reduced amount of damage but all incoming damage his target/party member receives is transferred to him.

7. Sleep nerf: At the MAX it should only last 5 seconds with diminishing returns. Sleeping a whole team for half the match is broken.

8. Separate lockouts: If you leave a FL it shouldn't block you from doing dungeons as well, all this does is increase wait times.

9. Increase healer LB range: It really only works if everyone stacks on top of you. Which is akin to saying, "HEY! OUR HEALER IS RIGHT HERE!"

10. Interrupts for casters: Being interrupted is fine but being interrupted EVERY TIME you get hit? No. Interrupts should be allocated to certain moves and that's it. Push-back would be welcome in place of interrupts as well. If two melee are on me and Equanimity is down my best bet is to sit there and die because I'm not going to be able to get off a cast.

11. Remove pve elements: I came here to kill players, not drones.

12. New/smaller maps: Capture the flag is fine but when you spend 2mins going from node to node its a big hassle. Having smaller FLs might also help with the queue situation, instead of having all 3 GCs fight it out, smaller matches between 2 GCs might be better. It's less chaotic and can alleviate a lot of lag.

13. Epic violin music: (WoD *wink wink*)

14. Remove queue penalty: Not accepting 3 or more queues a day results in a 30min queue penalty. This isn't cool, especially when you're already waiting 20+ mins. That's an entire hour gone, being able to que for PvE and PvP separately is also welcome.

15. Nerf cometeor damage and radius by 50%: Broken beyond belief.

16. Remove Attunement: Healers arent tanks and this seems like a really poor fix to the interrupt problem. And this is coming from a SCH.

17. Replace PvP system with skill tree: It allows characters to differentiate themselves and it removes the pointless grind of the current system.

18. Change PvP rewards: The reward for doing pvp isnt wolf marks but pve currency? Uh...

**Edit: If I think of more I'll add them. Thank you ^^
And yes, I know Square doesn't have PvP high on their priority list but I think this is a mistake. It takes no time whatsoever to get geared for endgame and I don't think most people are inclined to constantly wait around for new content. The main advantage of PvP is that it has near-infinite replay value. It's an excellent tool to keep everyone preoccupied and doing something fun, it'll extend the time people are willing to play and will give the development team a little leg room because everyone isnt constantly blowing through new content. It also requires much less effort than designing multiple dungeons and quest.

I would go into more detail but there's a 1000 character limit :(

1. Elaborate
2.For what game mode? If you are referring to FL, then no. Its a good thing its not gear dependent. Gear dependent + pvp do not mix.
3. Again for what game mode?
4. Sure, it would stop players from trying to duel inside FL
5. Damage is already low in relation to the amount a healer can heal. So now you want a 25% damage nerf? This means no one would be able to kill healers and fights would stalemate. A BIG FAT NO.
6. The duration isn't the problem, its just that in pvp the goal is to kill enemies. Tank LB doesn't fit that role, so its not used. If it was changed to something like "surrounding targets take 50% more damage". Then you would see it used more.

7. Yea I agree, sleep duration is far too long. Stuns only last 6 secs max for single target. Warrior aoe stun is far shorter.
8. Hmmm I thought it was already like this?
9. It still wouldn't make people want to use it.
10. Then they will have to do significant changes, if spell interruption was removed or changed then melee would become obsolete over night. I don't like spell interruption, but it hides the nasty imbalances that exist with casters.
11. Sort of agree, the thing is if there was no npc objectives it will just become a death match like slaughter mode. And slaughter mode isn't that great, its a mess.
12. Yep I agree
13. Doesn't matter to me, though new music of some sort wouldn't be bad
14. Elaborate
15. Yeah its overpowered, but melee LB is op in secure. Damage is too high for LBs. Support LBs suck.

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I would go into more detail but there's a 1000 character limit :(

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1. Better queuing

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Queue problems are based on player Class/GC distribution, Rank Balance and Queuing population.

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2. Remove gear sync

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Gear Sync is one of the things keeping FLs alive and semi-balanced. A difference of 10 ilevels between two characters is fairly extreme.

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3. Rated matches: A simple solution to the gear sync is to make rated and unrated matches

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Rated Matches are not really effective unless they occur from a point where everything else is equal or nearly equal and only player skill and ability are the only things important.

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4. Duels

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Duels do not work with the current class balance unless it is between characters that share the same (sub)role and even then there are problems.

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5. 25% damage decrease across the board

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Would only extend matches out, and as Domira says a healers currently already outputs more healing than a single dps can beat.

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7. Sleep nerf: At the MAX it should only last 5 seconds. Sleeping a whole team for half the match is broken.

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Decreasing the recast time on Purify might be better. You do save it for that don't you?

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11. Remove pve elements: I came here to kill players, not drones.

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The Drones and Nodes are there to make the matches tactical and allow for turnarounds. If they were not then Secure matches would come down to which team was the first to hold 3 flags and get a sufficient lead.

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12. New/smaller maps

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14. Remove queue penalty: Sometimes you're waiting for 10-20mins. This helps no one, why is this even a thing?

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The Queue penalty is there to punish players who are not paying attention and those players trying to fish for certain things.

I agree with 1. and don't have an opinion with most of these, but I really disagree with 2.

Back when wolves den was the only PvP, people with better gear wrecked face. PvP shouldn't be about who has batter gear, it should be only skill. The ideal PvP would have both sides with 45 points and synced gear. Where you pick to put your points, the build you are going for in the gear, and the skill level should be the things that define who wins.

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Editing now. Thanks ^^

I agree with you, also I think that with this update they took the little depth PvP had. No one does secure frontlines which required atleast a bit of tactics. Now it is just brainless killing with going to kill mobs once in whole fight..

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I agree with you, also I think that with this update they took the little depth PvP had. No one does secure frontlines which required atleast a bit of tactics. Now it is just brainless killing with going to kill mobs once in whole fight..

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I feel as though they're once again catering to a certain crowd... It's hard to be surprised anymore.

#13 please.

Make Action-points save to a job/class. It's a bit of a hassle to reallocate them each time you change your job/class.

When queueing in a party and someone is AFK, can it be made so that those who commence get in, just like it works in general with Frontlines?

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7. Yea I agree, sleep duration is far too long. Stuns only last 6 secs max for single target. Warrior aoe stun is far shorter.

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Stun doesn't break on damage. Comparing sleep and stun is stupid

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10. Then they will have to do significant changes, if spell interruption was removed or changed then melee would become obsolete over night. I don't like spell interruption, but it hides the nasty imbalances that exist with casters.

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The change would be you get to interupt one cast on demand aswell as delaying casting time with pushback.

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15. Yeah its overpowered, but melee LB is op in secure. Damage is too high for LBs. Support LBs suck.

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a 50% nerf to radius and damage would make it useless. Lets make a lb do less damage than flare, that sound like an amazing idea. LB should do massive damage and take a while to build up. the current problem is how fast it builds up

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I agree with you, also I think that with this update they took the little depth PvP had. No one does secure frontlines which required atleast a bit of tactics. Now it is just brainless killing with going to kill mobs once in whole fight..

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People are still doing Secure, at least on Primal. It takes a while for the DF window to pop, and during primetime it's only ever 8v8v8, but yes, some of us are still doing Secure.

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Make Action-points save to a job/class. It's a bit of a hassle to reallocate them each time you change your job/class.

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This. If I just had this... it's such a hassle. I pretty much only go as one class, sure, but when I switch to help the party out, I have to reallocate all the points again. It drives me nuts. Sometimes, I don't even bother to change the points...

I'd like some of the pvp based cooldowns to be shortened abit like detect, and purify.

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[1]Gear Sync is one of the things keeping FLs alive and semi-balanced. A difference of 10 ilevels between two characters is fairly extreme.

[2]Rated Matches are not really effective unless they occur from a point where everything else is equal or nearly equal and only player skill and ability are the only things important.

[3]Would only extend matches out, and as Domira says a healers currently already outputs more healing than a single dps can beat.

[4]Decreasing the recast time on Purify might be better. You do save it for that don't you?

[5]The Drones and Nodes are there to make the matches tactical and allow for turnarounds. If they were not then Secure matches would come down to which team was the first to hold 3 flags and get a sufficient lead.

[6]The Queue penalty is there to punish players who are not paying attention and those players trying to fish for certain things.

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[1] Hm... I guess so. But if gear sync continues to be a thing whats the point of pvp gear? Its useless then.
[2] There isnt much room for "skill" honestly. And I dont think everything has to be 100% equal to work. A little imbalance is fine as long as its not game breaking ... like meteor.
[3] Yes, thats the point. Sorry, I didnt know that, perhaps healing can be adjusted with it?
[4] Yes, but its worthless, the cd is too long. I cant tell you how many times I've purified a sleep, only to be slept again, and meteored to death.
[5] Matches can be tactical without pve elements. Slaughter feels more like a very chaotic raid, rather than pvp. And isnt that the point of capture the flag? Ironically, this makes it less tactical, as players dont have to rely on analysis and calculation to win, they just go "ZERG DRONE FOR POINTS!!!"
[6] Again, not helping.

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I'd like some of the pvp based cooldowns to be shortened abit like detect, and purify.

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[1] Hm... I guess so. But if gear sync continues to be a thing whats the point of pvp gear? Its useless then.

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PvP gear has fewer dead stats and is more likely to sync down to the stat cap. For example, a Summoner seeking to get as close to +234 Crit/ +164 Det while synced wants the following PvP items to be BiS: Elkliege/Elkhorn Hat, Elkhorn Gloves, Elkliege Slops, Elkliege Thighboots, and Werewolf Choker of Casting.

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[2] There isnt much room for "skill" honestly. And I dont think everything has to be 100% equal to work. A little imbalance is fine as long as its not game breaking ... like meteor.

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The whole point of the Elo rating System which Rated Matches are a part of is to measure skill.

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[3] Yes, thats the point. Sorry, I didnt know that, perhaps healing can be adjusted with it?

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Extending the time it takes to for someone kill is not necessarily a good thing. DoWs already start running into TP problems in extended melee fights. The only ones whom would benefit are those classes that have infinite TP/MP resources such as BLM and SCH/SUM.

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[4] Yes, but its worthless, the cd is too long. I cant tell you how many times I've purified a sleep, only to be slept again, and meteored to death.

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Sleep is annoying, but it sound more like the real problem is cometeor.

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[5] Matches can be tactical without pve elements. Slaughter feels more like a very chaotic raid, rather than pvp. And isnt that the point of capture the flag? Ironically, this makes it less tactical, as players dont have to rely on analysis and calculation to win, they just go "ZERG DRONE FOR POINTS!!!"

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I'm sorry, but Slaughter would be unlikely to be different if the drones were not there and nothing else was changed. Slaughter has problems due to how a bunch of stuff was implemented. The PvE elements are not a bad thing despite what some people want to think. To many people define PvP as PKing.

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[6] Again, not helping.

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Sorry, but we got a minor inconvenience from a software change to actively make things better elsewhere. The Queue penalty does not effect most players and prevents a lot more problems that were caused by those it inconveniences If you get 3+ failed confirmations it is on you.

In 8v8v8 bracket imo melee lb is more annoy for healer. Caster lb is easily heal able but melee lb one shot most of the time. In 24v24v24 bracket caster lb is op because there can be like 3x lb at the moment and so many players stick in the one spot. Healing lb can counter caster lb if you use it at same moment than opponent caster and heal everything back.

Removal of PvP Rank-resetting when changing Grand Companies

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Removal of PvP Rank-resetting when changing Grand Companies

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Agreed. As is, it's like someone said- 'Ok how can we make sure the distribution of experienced players NEVER balances out across GC's?'

1. Party chat 2. Get rid of wolves den challenge log and add 2 new ones for frontlines. I don't have a problem with wolves den but it's seems to be dead

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5. 25% damage decrease across the board: Everyone is dying too fast.

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You can never kill an adder too fast. If anything we need fatalities.

Ever since I had my alliance completely zerg male and/or flames from behind at start everyone seems to hate on adders...... I don't get it. :p god I wish I had recorded these runs.

My biggest problem with PvP is the nodes/drones in the secure and slaughter modes. Having those nodes completely defeats the purpose of those game modes, you don't have to actually secure the bases in secure just make sure you get the nodes and that isn't the point of those game types, same with slaughter the point is to kill each other not fight over who gets some stupid nodes. If they would just remove those I would actually be happier with PvP. I mean why even have the different game modes just have a destroy the node game and that's all.

Also I think heals need to be nerfed a bit in PvP it sucks when someone can be healed from almost no life to full in one heal basically.

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Holding 3 flags (4 points every 3 seconds) for 90 seconds gives as many points as killing all 6 drones (20 points each) in a set. 4 sets of Drones and the Node only gives your side 680 points if you take them all in a 72 man. Not any easy thing to do you are more likely to get an average of 2 of them per set with a 33% chance of getting the Node which ends up giving closer to 226 points from drones/nodes in the average match. In comparison holding 2 flags for the 15 minutes it takes all of those drones to spawn nets 600 and holding 3 nets a whooping 1200 points.

I've seen more Secure matches lost due to the inability of Parties A and C to hold Temples/Markets/Manors than I've seen won because of B killing drones while not protecting the Outpost. I've actually noticed an increase in number of victories in Secure matches when I'm a member of B because I started hanging back a guarding the OP as a Paladin. Loosing a flag is serious damage.

The Node catches attention because taking it can secure a lead or close up a close match. Killing the Drones/Node is advantageous but not the most important thing to do.

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Ever since I had my alliance completely zerg male and/or flames from behind at start everyone seems to hate on adders...... I don't get it. :p god I wish I had recorded these runs.

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Yeah, the Adder hate is real. After my team completely DOMINATED slaughter mode Mael and Flames teamed up and hit us with nonstop meteors and wiped my entire team. We went from a huge lead to a loss but it was still pretty hilarious.

Also the melee LB is pretty strong but if you play it right its easily survivable, with all my cds up I've stalemated melee 3v1 as a SCH. But if I have even one essential cd down I'm dead lol.

I like that currently pvp rewards you with some soldiery and poetics. It means that the hours I'm spending on pvp don't just net me pretty gear useless for PVE, but will eventually make me small amounts of money or even help me gear out my classes in PVE gear. Its a good system.