Whoever is ultimately in charge of regional leves in Nanawa Mines is either a) an idiot, or b) has a warped sense of humor. A majority of the leves there entail either running thru 93858767 aggro mobs to get to and from the leve mobs, or in the case of the last leve I just did there with my R29 pug, Corpus Adamance, pulling an imp from the far west room where Bardi, which can 1 or 2 shot me, a bunch of fire elementals, and yarzons reside is not exactly fair, especially since imps prefer to stay at range and pummel your ass. Time bonus? What a joke. I'm not doing anymore leves there, and they can stick that place where the sun don't shine.
Nanawa Mine Leves
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08-20-2011, 02:54 AMzzappNanawa Mine Leves
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08-20-2011, 03:01 AMJynxAwesome maybe you can try one of the other 2 cities that are in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by zzapp
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08-20-2011, 03:03 AMPulseczar
Try the other two cities or grab some other players to help would be the logical choice.
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08-20-2011, 03:12 AMHikozaemonQuote:
Originally Posted by zzapp
Yes i understand what you mean leves are made to be soloable yet in this area many of them are not or are very difficult due to monster placement and aggro. Ive had the same problem in probably 3 different leves in this area where mitelings/bombs/skeletons/chigoes are blocking an entire tunnel to my leve mobs and even if u kill the aggro mobs they repop so fast that u die before u are able to actually kill the leve mobs. Dont listen to the asshats replying for you to get a pt for "solo" leves. Leves are outright worthless in a pt setting unless everyone has the exact same leves to link. No one wants to tag along for 50-70sp a kill mobs and a 250sp bonus at the end of a leve just to help......... And Jynx hes a damn PUG he is doing Uldah leves i wonder farking why?! let me guess PUG marks? derp. Stop verbally attacking people and get a life. -
08-20-2011, 03:17 AMelreed
well i've done those leves yesterday and didnt have any trouble there, there are a few places that have aggro mobs in the way but as r29 you can easily kill them, i did it as pug 28, now im r30.
By the way, it should be difficult to do, if not wheres the fun? just equip actions like healing spells and defender, i usually grab 2 or 3 buffs, protect, shell, shock spikes and defender, just 1 or 2 healing abbilities and the rest pug offensive skills, at that level you only have 4 skills worth equiping (concusive blow, victimize, featherfoot, haymaker or jarring strikes, and you have 3 punches you can equip with 0 cost. -
08-20-2011, 03:27 AMEstellios
Nanawa has always unfortunately been pretty solo-unfriendly. It's gotten a lot better lately when you know how to navigate alternate routes but there are still a few leves that are mapped out badly. The other dungeon areas at r30 aren't nearly as bad.
If you needed that leve for marks, Eli, I'm on Istory too and I don't mind helping with a quick leve later on. -
08-20-2011, 04:07 AMAvraymTheres nothing "logical" about something that has been made to be so difficult, it requires multiple players for the equivalant awards of an easier leve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pulseczar
One of this games problems is it's illogical Mob Mapping.
Some of the early quests/zones require you to pass through mobs 20-30 Leves higher than you that are aggressive.
It makes little to no sense and it worse than any other mmorpg i've ever played.
I just hope that they are looking into this with 1.19 with the zone revamp.
It's discouraging to new players, which this game needs (higher population) -
08-20-2011, 04:11 AMzzappThis is your condescending advice? Something is broken so go try the other cities? Some of us still need guild marks. Why don't you go find something constructive to share with the forum instead of just typing for typing's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
I need guild marks, and didn't SE say leve's will now be essentially for the solo, or casual player. There is no way anyone my rank is going to even come close to getting the time bonus on most of these. The SP from these is absolutely horrific to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pulseczar
Thanks, bro. I've seen you around. It's not that I can't beat these. Winning isn't the issue. It's what you have to go thru to win, and there is zero probability of any time bonus, which is where all the SP is now with the update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
Hiko, thanks for laying this out with a sypathetic perspective. -
08-20-2011, 04:13 AMPulseczarPerhaps you need an easier game—if that's even possible. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Avraym
The leves in Nanawa are easy to solo if you know what you are doing and maneuver your way around. Players wonder why mmo's are being dumbed down—instant gratification instead of using tactics to reach your goal. -
08-20-2011, 04:20 AMAvraymThe leves aren't the main issue. It's the mobs in the pathway that are agressive and a higher level than the recommended leve level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pulseczar
I've had leves that required me to run past aggressive mobs with no alternative pathway.
In future, please keep "advice" more constructive. -
08-20-2011, 04:26 AMLissandra
Yes, this is indeed a pain...
While I did leves (prior to patch 1.18) I would swap to my rank 50 class just to run pass the aggro mobs, and then switch back to continue on my merry way. Though at this point I don't think I want to do leves there anymore unless mob placement readjustments are made for that place. XD -
08-20-2011, 04:38 AMGriss
I have had a personal embargo on setting foot in nanwa (which im begging to think is short folk speak for hell hole) for a long long time now.
there is difficulty and challenge, then there is a hole crammed full of aggressive monsters that you have to wade through to do any thing, and unless they have changed one particular leve down there, its also the zone that makes you run circuits through them. and before people think im being one sided here, Copperbell has the same damned issues minus the leves -
08-20-2011, 04:46 AMtekka
Man, same with the raids. Whoever put a bunch of mobs in front of the boss is a real jerk...Give me my insta-reward!
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08-20-2011, 05:07 AMzzappAnother asset to the forum community. Comparing raids to ill-planned leves with ill-placed mobs outside the leve are apples and oranges. So what's your point? It never ceases to amaze me why people feel the need to be 'clever' in these forums, when in essence they'd be better served to just stfu.Quote:
Originally Posted by tekka
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08-20-2011, 05:40 AMChardrizard
Nanawa Mines reccomended rank is 35. You can solo fine at r35, you are expected to party up if you are going to do it under reccomended rank.
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08-20-2011, 06:26 AMHajiI might have accepted that if not for the simple fact, that leves themselves are mostly soloable with rank 28. If the area was really meant for rank 35+, then leves should have according difficulty. That would be acceptable. As it is, the situation is... irritating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chardrizard
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08-20-2011, 07:31 AMlynex
I never go there either for the same reason. I have a 37 quest that is in the far back corner but in order for me to reach it
I have to kill everything in the room and then I would have to pull the quest mobs to me that also aggro so I would not have a lot of time to kill before the room started to spawn again. I have put off finishing that quest for that reason. I only did the
the leves in uldah at the other area you can get marks there too. -
08-20-2011, 07:52 AMJynx"Some of us still need guild marks" If your that hard up for them you can do them when you hit the next level tier or do the lower ones. Does everything in the game have to hold your hand in this game?Quote:
Originally Posted by zzapp
Hell I've solod multiple leves in Nanawa mines including the leves that lead into the Yarzon-Gnat rooms and I've hit my time bonus multiple times. Don't cry just because something is hard, it's far from impossible. -
08-20-2011, 09:56 AMquantumsaintThere's a difference between content that is designed to be challenging, and content that is challenging (or frustrating) because of poor design. Mob pathing and placement is something that needs major refinement in this game, and Nanawa is no exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pulseczar
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08-20-2011, 09:57 AMMariyaShidouActually it was written all over the leves that the recommended rank for Nanawa Mines leves is r30. You even get penalised SP for being under r30, my r27 GLA get 2.3k SP for Sword and 3.3k SP for Shield because my Shield is r33. At the counter the NPC blatantly put the leve into r30 bracket as well. The difficulty is dumb-ed down because previously you can find r52 mobs in 5 stars r30 leves, and that to many people are overkilled. Thus, they lowered the rank of mobs in all difficulty by a large margin and general 5 stars nowadays are around r42.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haji
I had a run with my friend last night as both under r30. While manageable, it's a bad choice for doing leves because unfortunately leves are all about speed run nowadays. Same for behest, we did it much longer than most other camps and as a result barely anyone going there for leves/behests nowadays. -
08-20-2011, 10:53 AMelreed
you need to do things with strategy, i guess the plague for mmo's is that everyone wants all hand out without effort, they should add more difficulty, wheres the fun if everything is easy mode all the time?
I agree that some leves have a few bad locations, but were worst before patch 1.18, i rememember having to go to a room with a lot of high level mobs that agroed all the time to grab a few whisp and had to use voke to be able to grab em and take em to a free spot. Thats fun, i had to do evrything thinking in a way to do it in order to not die and loose time.
With SE you better get used to difficult content. -
08-20-2011, 01:41 PMAvraymSaid the player who doesn't level disciple of magic. Try doing it alone as conjurer then talk about "soloable"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx