How do i push towards 4 star?

So, I made a hiccup last night. Ended up spending a fortune crafting items for leatherworker masterbook I , then realised i already had it. So spent another fortune on buying demi and makin items for my Supra lol.

So as of now, I'm sitting at 404 crafts, 390 control, 395cp with food. Goldsmith stats just behind this. All other classes are 2 star i think?

Now, without giving up and going to the market board to buy artisans gear, how do i get into making this stuff for myself?

Aims - to be able to make artisans offhands, and ultimately 4 star leatherworker.
Advantages - Patience for crafting grind.
Disadvantages - Not great at making money, so most mats will be self farmed if possible.

Help please?

I was able to meet the control requirements for 4* by maxing all control melds on your pieces, +6 control on an HQ artisan offhand, and +10 control buff from FC. Would still need food to meet craftsmanship rating.

With all 3 (or two if using ixali smithing gloves) artisan body pieces, you can meet the 407 control requirement with +6 control on your offhand and no FC buff.

got to get that bsm up to 3* so you can make the offhands. they will need melding and there's a few ways they can be melded depending on what you want to do either one will make you a 4* crafter assuming you have fully melded gear.

then you can craft the rest of your tools or more importantly crp and wvr so you can make your new artisans gear, atleast melding those is an easy choice.

of course farming all those sealants daily for the next few months might change your mind on farming your own mats. especially if for some reason it comes out nq.

to get those new books you'll need a lot of field craft 3's and if that is anywhere near 30-40k each on your server you may consider just buying them as desynthing is a chore at times and for 100 desynths (600k) you'd usually end up with somewhere between 15-30, you do get to sell the other mats though and get some gil back.

truth be told though if your not very good at making gil why bother being a 4* crafter cus its expensive to buy the mats for right now and the competition atleast on my server keeps the profit a tad low considering the investment.

although it is nice having your own name on your gear.

Hey chidarake. i understand what you mean about it being a total grind. As for why, well, simply i enjoy crafting :)

And aye, the fcIII is a pain. I'm happy to start grinding that out though, my cul has the capability to start doing the turn ins for artisans specs. But yeah, that's how i got my supra, bought the FCIII and mastercraft. won't be making that mistake again (400k for 10 FCIII, 740K for 3 mastercraft, now up to 990k lol)

Obviously a bonus would be for me to make my leatherworker offhand and meld that up, reaching 4 star with him. then i could churn out artisans gear to sell and advance other classes.

It's all kinda difficult at this point, as in between it i'm trying to finish novus too. Damn you SE, why so many gil sinks lmao

I am currently aiming to 4* too, have spent lots on melding. I want to do it on my own (craft all your stuff). After some thoughts and wrong decision making. The order to get 4* was to get the Artisan main hand then Supra for blacksmith. Because then I can craft my own offhands for blacksmith, leather, carpenter. In the mean time getting the Supras for these also. Carpenter makes the offhand for weaver and goldsmith. Leather, carpenter and weaver makes the artisan hand, leg, feet. Sealants will be a pain (takes time)..until they nerf the price.

I also desynth my own master demi and fc3s.

Hey nbiscuitz. Yeah, I've started going that way myself now. Got my BSM to 3* and now working on getting his supra (haven't finished melding his offhand yet as i think i'll wait till i make his artisan offhand.

Also catching up with the ixali beastquests. Damn i wish i had stuck to those when they come out lol. But working on getting all my other crafts to at least 3*. Gives me a reasonable goal, and makes me happy i'm seeing progress.

If you're enjoying it then push away imo ... For some reason I am in love with crafting in this game all I ever do anymore , son-in-law keeps asking when are we gonna run dungeons again lol

so since patch you have a much easier option at hand.. craft for the new gear from the trade ins. with those and supra you should be 4* capable, but def 3* which will then let you craft all the bis gear anyways.

all you have to do is meld one class high enough to make the turn in item. which is a simple thing to do.

good thing about those pieces is there all cross class and no melds needed, def easiest way to catch up to all the other 4* crafters.



even if I hate SE for making it so damn easy

hey chidarake, can you be a little more specific please?

Do you mean that the non meldable items you can trade in for with 2/3 star crafts, + supra = 4 star now? :o

And i feel your pain at making it so easy though, repeat my irritation at second coil instant nerf..

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Originally Posted by chidarake

good thing about those pieces is there all cross class and no melds needed, def easiest way to catch up to all the other 4* crafters.

even if I hate SE for making it so damn easy

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It's a lot easier to gear 3-star for sure. I found myself having similar thoughts for a bit. I then realized two things:
1. 4-star and BiS still take a daunting amount of resources, especially for the type of people who are rejoicing at the new artisan garb.
2. 3* and 4* still take a lot of skill. That other thread recently where someone was complaining about a 3* with only 700 starting quality reminded me of this. Also, my brother is a crafter who has not been doing high level crafts, but has everything at 50 and recently got the new artisan stuff. Even though I taught him my rotation, he still has trouble making HQ 2* turn-ins for his artisan tools without HQ inputs, whereas I was able to pull them off with all NQ and basically the same stats.

The materials for Lucis tools may be easy enough for anyone to acquire, but skill will be a barrier for many, and let's not forget about the Master 2 books. I think skill is actually going to be the biggest barrier to 4-star for a lot of the new 3* crafters.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

and let's not forget about the Master 2 books. I think skill is actually going to be the biggest barrier to 4-star for a lot of the new 3* crafters.

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I agree x10. I only have 1 Supra, and I only have 4 crafts capable of 4* due to those master 2 books. RNG Fails me every time, I've desynthed 20+ Mastercraft Demimateria in one sitting and have gotten 0 mastercraft Demimateria from it. SE & RNG hate me.

As for your brother, if you have 350ish crafts & Control, and 355 CP without food, you can guarantee any 2* Synth at 100%. The rotations are already in these Forums ^^

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

Do you mean that the non meldable items you can trade in for with 2/3 star crafts, + supra = 4 star now? :o

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I have not done the math or intend to, but that gear with supra and the new off -hands melded should make you a 4* capable crafter.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

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totally agree with you that skill and experience will keep people out of the 3*-4* hq market, but people like glam and you don't need hq for that which is why sometimes i'll put up some nq items for the hell if it. especially the bard kirimu coat.

that being said those mastercraft 2 books will definitely seem impossible to non experienced crafters not to mention the cost for them if you fail too many times which lets face facts is easy as hell to do even with reclaim.

in truth though im happy about that as we don't need to much competition do we....p

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Originally Posted by Mishini_Dracoto

As for your brother, if you have 350ish crafts & Control, and 355 CP without food, you can guarantee any 2* Synth at 100%. The rotations are already in these Forums ^^

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Well, these are the token items, like silver brocades. They are 2*, but are almost as hard to craft as 3*, except mainly that ingenuity still works for them. With HQ base materials, he can pull it off no problem.

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

Do you mean that the non meldable items you can trade in for with 2/3 star crafts, + supra = 4 star now? :o

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You cannot do 4 star crafting even with the new gear + max melds + supra as you still fall short of control. Unless you use food or FC buffs to change that however that's frowned upon because you lose out on a lot of CP which is really important for these crafts.

In terms of the pathway you should go to get to 4 star, what I did was the offhand for BSM first. Since this is a 3 star craft made by BSM, I just used it to make it's own offhand, thus helping me later on when I have to make all the other offhands. I also made Carpenters offhand, since they make GSM and WVR tools.

The first things you want to bring up to 4 star are Weaver and Leatherworker to make the most profit/artisan gear immediately.

So the order of things I think assuming you can already do 3 star crafts for all these:

BSM Offhand HQ
CRP Offhand HQ

WVR Offhand HQ
Work on Turn in tools for WVR Books
Meld out your offhand to reach stat requirement (do research on this beforehand to not screw yourself later, make it future proof!)
Make 4 star WVR Artisan Gear HQ.

LTW Offhand HQ
Work on Turn in tools for LTW Books
Meld out offhand to reach stat requirement.
Make 4 star LTW Artisan Gear HQ

Work on CRP turn in tools.
Meld out offhand to reach stat requirements.
Make 4 star CRP Artisan Gear HQ.

I know you said you only wanted to do make offhands and be a 4 star LTW. To be successful at 4 star LTW, ideally you want to pursue all of the artisan gear as this will give you more stat options later. If like you said, you don't have big money at hand, then you should make all this gear yourself or if you want to save time, find someone to craft it for you if you supply the mats. This will reduce the grind up to 4star LTW as you now eliminate the need to do WVR and CRP 4 star.

So off your opening post, you want to bring BSM and CRP to 3 star at the minimum, LTW to 4 star. If you want to make all this gear yourself though(artisan gear used for high end crafting), you now need to bring CRP to 4 star and WVR to 4 star.

@havenchild - you clearly know more than me, but I'm fairly certain after a lot of research that 4 star is doable with new gear + max melds + supra. And you can still use CP food. You could also go for Lucis? It seems like a too big a waste at this point to meld left side gear for minimal stats when the expac is likely going to replace it all anyways. Not to mention it's not shared.

My husband got 4 star gold recently, and I got weaver as well. We would recommend getting lucis at this point and go from there. Makes everything else easier and since you get the main materials back for your NQ lucis turn ins, it's not too bad. (Also keep in mind you can farm moonstones from maps and from GC seals to speed it along). Also he was making artisan off hands with supra BSM fairly easy, even made his own for BSM with supra and militia off hand, ixal gloves and spectacles and no other artisan gear, it's not actually that tough of a synth.

Edit: @Havenchild thats similar to what we did. Husband, made off hands for his BSM and my CRP and then I made them for his gold and my weaver and then we both got lucis and then 4 star.

I would aim for getting the Lucis before 4* to be honest. Due to the reusable nature of the materials for the HQ turns ins. its both cheaper and far easier to get those then the ones you need for your Master II book. I made the tokens for my weaver before getting an Artisan's offhand.



In addition, I found it better to purchase NQ Artisans Mitts/Culottes/Sandals off the mb instead of aiming to make them myself.
On my server NQ versions that are fully melded (melds done by yourself) go for far less then the material prices for the Sealants.
Doing it this way also has the advantage that you can gain the extra stats from them much earlier on.
The only item that you must get the HQ versions of are the Apron and the off hands.

4* Crafting Stats as follows: 451 Craft, 407 Control Required.

HQ Max-melded Artisan's Gear (or substitute Ixali Smithing Gloves, same Control on them), Supra, and HQ Artisan Off-hand (no melds) sits you at a pretty 447 Craft and 410 Control. That is with +18 craft in a crafted HQ Artisan Body, or roughly 12 points higher than the token body, and each crafted piece also has 4 higher control possible than the +35s from the token items. Token gear is a great way to get yourself set up and pumping out 3* stuff, but it will NOT get you 4* stats. If you go all token gear, you will need a total of +16 craft and +8 control melded into your offhand, and that's an ugly Craft 4/3/3 Control 3/3 melding I don't recommend.

If you can get your Supra, and you have the skill for Lucis get that, cheapest by far. If you want to get stuff set up for multiple classes at once, gather up your materials and get your master 2 books, then meld roughly 9-12 control (or whatever is needed to get you that 407 mark) into your artisan offhand and use chilled popoto soup with the token gear to reach the craftsmanship you need to do the 4* sets to make crafted artisan gear, because melding it will be much safer than trying to max meld an offhand. Make sure you know your rotation, and it shouldn't be too hard since 4* is almost the same as 3* in terms of skill priorities. Hell, I 100%'d the first 3 artisan items I tried this way with minimal need for Tricks of the Trade. But make sure you have the concept down pat.

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Originally Posted by chidarake

got to get that bsm up to 3* so you can make the offhands.

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Grinding wheel is made by CRP btw, don't waste money on getting BSM up, then make artisan claw hammer, then grinding wheel that's too much grind.
Just do a 3 star rotation on CRP and pray for decent RNG you should be able to hq it rather easily with maybe a reclaim or two if you run into issues.


Also, why are you trying to get 4 star GSM anyway?
If your goal is to make mastercraft demimateria, there are better ways, and you don't need 4 stars to do it either.

If your goal is to save yourself some money by making your own gear.. Your progression path should be BSM to 3 stars, make 6 off hands, CRP to 3 stars and make off hands for GSM and WVR. Then you can make your own artisan gear (although, I recommend just buying the nq off of MB and melding them to cap. It's a lot cheaper (DOES NOT work for apron though))

there's no reason to get 4 stars on GSM first unless you really want to make your own emperor's throne or something..

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Originally Posted by Smi77y

@havenchild - you clearly know more than me, but I'm fairly certain after a lot of research that 4 star is doable with new gear + max melds + supra. And you can still use CP food. You could also go for Lucis? It seems like a too big a waste at this point to meld left side gear for minimal stats when the expac is likely going to replace it all anyways. Not to mention it's not shared.

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It's certainly possible to craft 4 stars with max melds and supra, but that requires your artisan off hand and it needs to be overmelded and the cost of that more or less offsets the benefits.. Why not just get your full artisan left side, maybe except apron. I bought 3 of them nq for about 1 million. Melded them to cap for about 600k each.. So for under 3m I had near full artisan set. You'll still need artisan off hands, but it doesn't need to be melded as aggressively.


Also, to someone suggesting that he go into artisan gear trade, I think it's a little late to jump in the fray. At least on my server, sealant prices aren't dropping anymore, mcD prices are pretty steady short of 2 people competing for a day or two.. But the gear prices are dropping every day. There's not a lot of margin there to be made unless you have BiS gear to pump out hq MOST of the time. You'll be competing with somebody who's been in that market for months and have much better gear than you AND also can sustain a loss since they likely also have a bigger bank roll.. Why would you want to go up against somebody like that in such a slow moving market?

OP contact me in game if you need any help im on phoenix, im currently 4star wvr and ltw, 3star everything else.

4star is possible without lucis (only have 1 myself)

4star crafting is super easy if you can HQ the mats yourself

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Originally Posted by Stupiduglytaru

OP contact me in game if you need any help im on phoenix, im currently 4star wvr and ltw, 3star everything else.

4star is possible without lucis (only have 1 myself)

4star crafting is super easy if you can HQ the mats yourself

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On cactuar but appreciate it a lot :-)

And @ Gillionaire - Noted on GSM to 4 star. It was just an arbitrary goal to try to be a max crafter. There's nothing in particular I'm after other than gil, and to know I made it to end game crafting. I guess getting anything to 4 star will just be luxury after I grind the marketboard and 3 star stuff with supra/artisan offhand/shared left side gear. At some point I may update my gear to slightly better (maybe just lucis?). And yeah, I think my goal is to make MCD for gil once I get all the items I want in terms of crafting.

Also thanks for the info on the max meld off hand to get to 4 stars. I guess my initial research was wrong :-/ not a huge deal.

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Originally Posted by chidarake

I have not done the math or intend to, but that gear with supra and the new off -hands melded should make you a 4* capable crafter.

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I can verify this. With Supra, max melded craft-specific gear and BiS jewelry (jewely/belt are only 3star), and an OH artisan tool (again only 3star) with +15 craftsmanship & +7 command melded meets the exact stat requirements needed to 4 star.

No food or fc buffs needed. Bouillabaisse it is. (should put you at 395 cp after eating)

If you can HQ the 3.9star token items for the master2 book, you can HQ the 4stars with a very similar rotation (substitute Rapid Synth gambles for pbpx2 + careful synth x3 for progress)

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This is the route you have to go if you intend to craft the BiS left side gear yourself instead of buying off MB. I suggest NOT doing what I did and starting with leatherworker first, as the artisan's mitts are the weakest upgrade it seems. (all that work for just +4 control)

You can reach the magic 453 craftsmanship number (lets you finish 4★ progress in as little as 5 steps, 3★ with 4 steps) and 407 control with full melded artisan & Demimateria acessories, supra and an artisan offhand melded with 3cp/3craft/3craft

The artisan mitts can be opted out for the ixali smithing gloves instead, but you are missing out on CP.

If you'r short on craftsmanship, use chilled popoto soup or shark fin to get some extra CP in there as well. Otherwise, try to meld yourself to 407 control (theres no food that gives both control + CP)

Makes you think with craft specialization looming in the future.. why did they make it so ez now for beginning crafters to "catch" up.. I finished geting my full hq set of artisans just before the new token gear became availible.. then watched the price drop afterwards from 4 mil ish to 2 mil ish on my server lol I"m getting a bad feeling from "craft specialization".. but nuff said..