New Lower Level Content

The new stuff for 2.5 looks awesome and I am really looking forward to it, but doesn't there seem to be a lack of new stuff for the first 50 levels or so? Am I just missing it, because everything looks to be aimed at end game.

Particularly with 30+ minute queues for dungeons for many classes and the fact that no one seems to be interested in Fates any longer, some new quest lines or game content for the leveling process would be nice. I still have like 10 classes to level :)

The chance is good that you don't need to be lv50 for Gold Saucer.
Also in 3-4 months all the current high level dungeons will be low level dungeons.

Everything is aimed at end-game because it pleases and applies to the most people. I understand the want for more lower-leveled content, but the fact is that it wouldn't get nearly enough attention to be worth the development time, at least in SE's view.

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Originally Posted by WinterSolstice

Everything is aimed at end-game because it pleases and applies to the most people. I understand the want for more lower-leveled content, but the fact is that it wouldn't get nearly enough attention to be worth the development time, at least in SE's view.

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I think it would get plenty of attention from people leveling up alts or other combat classes.

i dont thik its necessary. Once people reach lv 50 most wont bother doing pre-lv 50 dungeons anymore

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Originally Posted by Kuolema

I think it would get plenty of attention from people leveling up alts or other combat classes.

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If only there were existing dungeons coupled with a roulette that provided bonus experience that fulfilled this purpose.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

If only there were existing dungeons coupled with a roulette that provided bonus experience that fulfilled this purpose.

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With the exception of a DPS class that has to wait in excess of 20 minutes per dungeon/roulette.

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Originally Posted by Kuolema

With the exception of a DPS class that has to wait in excess of 20 minutes per dungeon/roulette.

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Make some friends at the same level and spam them,
Just because there is a duty finder,
Doesn't mean there is only a duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Logo

Make some friends at the same level and spam them,
Just because there is a duty finder,
Doesn't mean there is only a duty finder.

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I realize that you don't have to use the duty finder to run the dungeons. I'm just saying that it would be nice for some more low level content in general. Plus spamming the same dungeons over and over and over again can get quite tedious.

Here's the thing: Currently low level queues are a monster, especially for DPS.
Each low level dungeon is set to run along a very narrow path to 50, where it opens up. The gap between each dungeon bracket is roughly uniform from 15-50. Adding more dungeons, unless they added one new dungeon for EACH bracket (which would be an absurd amount of work) would upset the current balance, and also spread out the number of people queueing for each dungeon.
In short, adding more dungeons would just make queueing for dungeons outside the roulettes more of a pain for lower levels.

If anything we could do with a Dungeon between Halatali and Thousand Maws, and then between Thousand Maws and Haukke.

that 8 level stretch is terrible since you have to grind the same thing for 4 levels. Especially the 24 to 28 part of the grind.

It doesn't even need to be low level dungeons that need to be added. Maybe add a few new quests that stretch out for a level or 2.

It's a good sentiment to want more lower level content, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon. We've got Beast Tribes, Dungeons, and a bunch of other stuff as well to aid in the leveling process. But like others have said, the majority of the playerbase is at Level 50 already, so that's where content should be focuses. That's not to say all content should be focused on at that point. Things not having to do with combat, crafting, and gathering should obviously be allowed for sub-50. Like Triple Triad. That should be unlockable by Level 15 (when players unlock Airship travel to other city-states). And Gold Saucer, unless it has Lv50 quest requirements, should be unlockable by Level 30 (when mounts are unlocked).

I think a great idea should be taken from FFXI. Remember the rings you can equip that gave you an exp boost for a certain time? They already have something similar in the GC that increase exp earned for DOH and DOL. Why not something for DOM and DOW? Make it so that you can only buy it after you reach the highest rank in GC, and they can also add so you have to have at least one alt to lvl 50/completed original story before you can unlock it. Then in order to buy it, you have to use either GC seals or Allied seals to purchase. And you can only have one in inventory at a time and when you use it, it last for a specific time. Or even better yet, it only gives you extra exp in dungeons and/or fates when killing mobs. Or just give you extra exp in killing mobs based on lvl of mob/location of mob, etc.

Or maybe have something that gives you extra experience for killing mobs on certain days, certain weather conditions in certain areas. Maybe have like materia that when you attach to weapon, gives you extra exp and that materia cannot be sold or traded or made. Has to be dropped in certain area be certain mob. Just something to help with the lvling process when lvling another job.

They don't even have to add new content just unlock the sidequests for new classes. Only make it where nothing is given out but exp and the quest can only be completed on the class it was accepted on.

That would make leveling so much less painful for dps.

How about lv 25 daily quests?

The expansion will be the best time for this... With three new jobs coming out adding low level content to help level them would be nice... Even just one of them. I mean even just having a more expansive hunting log would help since the logs we already have can be complete by halfway through the ten level range they are designated for.

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Originally Posted by Delta041

If anything we could do with a Dungeon between Halatali and Thousand Maws, and then between Thousand Maws and Haukke.

that 8 level stretch is terrible since you have to grind the same thing for 4 levels. Especially the 24 to 28 part of the grind.

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the stretch has always been 3-4 levels though, except the first 3
20-23=Halatali
24-27=toto-rak
28-31=Haukke
32-34=Brayflox
35-37=qarn
38-40=cutter's
41-43 SV
44-46 DD
47-50 AV

I think the simplest 'fix' would be to allow lower level classes to turn in daily beast tribe quests similar to how lenient the Ixali beast tribe quests are for crafting classes. I always though it was a bit silly that you can't turn these quests in until you're nearly done leveling a class anyway.

If they added new low level dungeons they'd only make ques longer. It would just dilute the options people have currently. It wouldn't make players who aren't currently doing low level dungeons suddenly start doing them (except perhaps once for the initial clear).

Adding daily quests similar to beast tribes sounds like a lengthier version of what Leves are already existing for, you get 6 of them per day, and people should be using them to compliment and break up the monotony of fates/dungeons. I'm fairly certain that most people after getting their first job to 50 forget about leves and spend most of their time sitting on an unspent stack of 100 allowances. Until they decide it's time to level a DoH/DoL, lol.

Need to increase the bonus for adventurer in need on low level roulette. Hell add a bunch of tomes in there. Low level dungeons queues are a nightmare. They have to just be completely discouraging for a new player. I have been wanting to level a few other jobs to 50, then I see that queue and say hell no.

Low level queues for Dps are the reason I ask a friend to be my pocket tank or pocket healer when I play DPS.

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Originally Posted by Delta041

If anything we could do with a Dungeon between Halatali and Thousand Maws, and then between Thousand Maws and Haukke.

that 8 level stretch is terrible since you have to grind the same thing for 4 levels. Especially the 24 to 28 part of the grind.

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2 dungeons, 4-8 Leve's and fates seem to be enough content to breach those 4 levels rather quickly. Thing is though, once you did 1 lvl 50 character, there are no new low level quests. I rather have new low level quests in each range then low level dungeons.

Have they said that (with the expansion) they're going to move the current main scenario stuff that occupies the level 50 space back so that we encounter all the story content back-to-back at earlier levels? 'Cause that's not only the easiest solution to this particular problem, but also the right thing to do for the flow of the game in general.

I mean, the dev team has made a -lot- of content now. For any players coming into the game fresh, there's absolutely no excuse for there to be any amount of grinding. Everybody should be occupied with a main scenario dungeon, a side-quest, or an extreme mode something-er-other at every point along the way.

Been thinking of this a lot lately,

This seems to plague most all MMOs. From 3.0 onward, all the content will be stuffed into just 10 levels, but for the original game it is a 50 level spread. Yes, the actual time it takes to go from 50-60 might be equal to or possibly longer than going 1-50, but there will always be much more content at all levels in game from 50 onward to 99 by default. I'd like to see the earlier stuff buffed up, but it might be too low on the development priority list.

What's wrong with making more dungeons for a level range anyway? Nobody likes doing Totorak so why not give them another dungeon for that range?

Hell, it would not only inspire lv50s to play lower level content but it would also be challenging due to level sync. I don't see how making new low level dungeons could be a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Kuolema

Plus spamming the same dungeons over and over and over again can get quite tedious.

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This is the main reason they need to go back and fill in some of the gaps, there isn't even enough quest hubs to level 2 jobs with there being 10 currently and 3 more coming. I do not look forward to running the same content repeatedly that I have already done. if there were additional quest hubs you could do those but there are just enough for 1 job to level 50 as it is. Plus I have to run this old content for zodiac quests anyways so in all honesty I am beyond sick of some of the existing content and it makes my eyes bleed when I have to run it.

While I leveled up Ninja, I did only max. 10 leves in total and dungeons only the highest I could enter + daily roulette and not more.
If you mix in Hunting Log, Guildhest, Leves (to get cheap equip) and do FATEs only if you only need 1-2 FATEs for the Challenge Log, then you don't need to spam FATEs or Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Kuolema

I realize that you don't have to use the duty finder to run the dungeons. I'm just saying that it would be nice for some more low level content in general. Plus spamming the same dungeons over and over and over again can get quite tedious.

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You missed the point of what you quoted. :p It's not that you can just make a team and enter the dungeon. While waiting for that queue to pop, run FATES, do other quests, run leves. I'm curious, but you ask for lower level stuff, have you run all the lower level quests on one character, and still need some levels (with the idea that, you didn't just run older content at a higher level).

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Originally Posted by Korilynn

You missed the point of what you quoted. :p It's not that you can just make a team and enter the dungeon. While waiting for that queue to pop, run FATES, do other quests, run leves. I'm curious, but you ask for lower level stuff, have you run all the lower level quests on one character, and still need some levels (with the idea that, you didn't just run older content at a higher level).

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I realize that you can do the fates and leves while a DPS class waits for duty finder but doing that over and over again is just boring. I would like to see a little bit of low level content added to keep things fresh. Especially if they are going to be adding new classes.

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Originally Posted by SekhmetM

What's wrong with making more dungeons for a level range anyway? Nobody likes doing Totorak so why not give them another dungeon for that range?

Hell, it would not only inspire lv50s to play lower level content but it would also be challenging due to level sync. I don't see how making new low level dungeons could be a bad thing.

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I don't know what low level dungeons you are doing but the ones I did (spoiler: all of them) to level all my combat classes to 50 definitely weren't challenging.

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Originally Posted by Tyrn

I don't know what low level dungeons you are doing but the ones I did (spoiler: all of them) to level all my combat classes to 50 definitely weren't challenging.

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Neither are the lvl 50 dungeons.