OK I like the fact that we have all maps for all areas, map acquisition in XI was tiresome to say the least, Crawlers nest anyone? but I don't like the fact that I can see a whole area or dungeon from the first time I enter it. I say fog the maps out and unveil it as you move about.
Fog of War!
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08-18-2011, 07:12 AMGallianoFog of War!
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08-18-2011, 07:17 AMGeesus
Oh god please no. I HATED dealing with that in XI. It's the one thing you will NEVER hear me fuss about in XIV. LOL
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08-18-2011, 07:20 AMGalliano
I just think it makes exploring less exciting, knowing exactly where you are all the time. I would be happy with a toggle option so people could have it if they wanted.
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08-18-2011, 07:23 AMGeesusOk agree and agree. If I'm a low level trying to haul a$$ across a new map, I'm not trying to explore and theres NO way I can visually remember a brand new area so this idea to me would be a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galliano
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08-18-2011, 07:30 AMSophia
sounds like a good idea
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08-18-2011, 07:33 AMStupifyed
I love the idea of Fog of War, Brings a bit more to the game.
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08-18-2011, 09:46 AMRoaran
I have to say, this is one of my biggest problems with FFXIV. Areas stayed mysterious and interesting for so long in FFXI, simply because I was afraid to explore. I feel in FFXIV, once you walk in, and see the map you've basically seen everything : \
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08-18-2011, 09:58 AMGeesusWhen you say it like that ... I feel sad now. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Roaran
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08-18-2011, 10:39 AMSav
I agree with the OP. There's very little sense of exploration to be had at the moment. New maps will definitely help, but immediately knowing exactly what's where isn't exciting, in my opinion.
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08-18-2011, 03:38 PMKraggyI hated the coffer-based maps you should always be able to acquire a map outside the area it comes from, but the CN one was one of my favourite quests in the game and a great way to entice players to visit some remote areas which otherwise they'd probably never go to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galliano
I actually don't like the fact we get the maps for 'free', but if we have to then yes please, implement FoW to make exploration meaningful.
Apart from hating the coffer method, I also loathed the fact that the maps were incomplete (eg. Dunes, and many others) and there was no way to usefully annotate additions (eg. Secret Beach and the link to Gustav).
From a 'lore' PoV, given how the maps are said to have come into being, it made no sense that the maps would be incomplete, 'secret beach' for example wasn't exactly hidden in any way. -
08-18-2011, 03:40 PMKraggyEr, there was NO FoW in XI.Quote:
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08-18-2011, 05:05 PMMattyWS
I love the idea of FoW for FFXIV. I hate it at the moment. There is no point in exploring which is the whole point in the game. Especially when there are markers showing where all of the zones are for dungeons.
People didn't seem to like the map system in FFXI but I loved it, something to do when I had nothing else to do was go play with Coffers and get maps to places that I normally wouldn't go to, and when I did have to go to these places, I had a map! It was pretty cool looking for keys then looking for the chests. -
08-18-2011, 08:22 PMGalliano
I agree with Kraggy on the coffer maps, it didn't make sense to have to get the map for an area, from that area. The CN map quest was good I guess but just too time consuming for my liking, maybe if you got a few maps from that quest it would have been worth while but by the time I aquired the map I had memorized the nest so it was pointless.
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08-19-2011, 10:23 AMlackofwords
Fog of war would be interesting, I can imagine it being like FFXII's fog of war. Having FoW also doubles a nice exploration log for adventurers seeing where they have visited before and where they haven't. Honestly, I didn't even know there was another exit to the side of Ul'dah until a few weeks ago.
Only problem is most players would just pop open fan site of some sort and look at full map. Or they would just print out the full map. That is what they did for FFXI when most people didn't know the area and the map was blank. -
08-19-2011, 10:37 AMGeesusNo you are correct but not having the map because you needed quests or to purchase them left you with a consistent FoW ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraggy
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08-19-2011, 10:55 AMGeesus
Just thought of something. If there was ... a FoW, how would that work with Leves? You only have 30 minutes to get to and kill X mobs. If you get lost, you could fail the leve and that...would suck. haha
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08-19-2011, 06:46 PMIranaYou didnt even read the OP did you? XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Geesus
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08-20-2011, 07:57 AMGallianoWhen you are completing a leve you still have the arrows to guide you and the yellow circles would appear even if that part was still fogged out. It also might make the leves slightly more challenging because atm I'm completing most of them within 5-6 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geesus
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08-20-2011, 05:20 PMFrein
I like the FoW idea very much. Coffers in FFXI were excessively difficult for non-thieves to open, so a FoW based system would be a nice compromise between mysteriousness and accessibility.
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08-22-2011, 05:40 AMavior
Imagine navigating the Shroud in the fog lol
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08-23-2011, 05:10 PMOkiura
I think this is a really good idea, i was a disipointd when i walked into a area for the 1st time and could already see everyting.
I didn't realy have a problem with the way the the maps were obtained in FFXI, but i also don't think it is the way to go or if it will even work in FFXIV.
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08-23-2011, 09:04 PMPerrin_Aybarra
logged in just to "like" the thread and say that FoW is the best solution to please both people who wants the maps given to them for free and those who would prefer some sense of exploration and would rather work to uncover all the map.
I didn't mind the coffers in FFXIV, yes it was ong and maybe frustrating sometime, but it was a satisfaction when you actually acquired it, but I am willing to compromise with the Fog of War idea.
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08-23-2011, 09:20 PMMattyWS
And for everyone complaining they cant see everything I'm sure there will be a FFXIV-Atlas.com at some point.
I just don't understand people wanting everything handed to them in an MMO. o_O It's lazy. Oh and lets not forget they are remaking some zones, if they make fog of war then everyone will be able to explore all over again!