2.5 and Poetics...

I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned, but isn't 2.5 and the release of a new CT about the time when we get our top currency cap removed and introduced to a new one? I doubt they'd introduce a new one this close to the expansion, but I haven't heard anything about the poetic cap so was curious if you guys think they'll remove the cap sometime in 2.5 so people can start gearing up and clearing stuff before the expansion hits.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned, but isn't 2.5 and the release of a new CT about the time when we get our top currency cap removed and introduced to a new one? I doubt they'd introduce a new one this close to the expansion, but I haven't heard anything about the poetic cap so was curious if you guys think they'll remove the cap sometime in 2.5 so people can start gearing up and clearing stuff before the expansion hits.

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No. Myth was taken out long after ST had become largely irrelevant aside from sand/oil.

Pretty sure poetic cap will stay as as it is now.

While I agree that the expansion will likely be there time when they give us a new tomestone, I do not think they will remove the weekly cap until 2.55 at the earliest. This is because 2.55 seems like the logical time for them to remove the loot lockout for WoD and with that giving players unlimited access to i120 gear. In doing that, it would not make sense for them to keep the cap on poetics. Which is why I think that then is the time they will remove it.

Poetic cap stay, Soldiery reward get increased. New tome will not come before 3.0

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

While I agree that the expansion will likely be there time when they give us a new tomestone, I do not think they will remove the weekly cap until 2.55 at the earliest. This is because 2.55 seems like the logical time for them to remove the loot lockout for WoD and with that giving players unlimited access to i120 gear. In doing that, it would not make sense for them to keep the cap on poetics. Which is why I think that then is the time they will remove it.

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If they do it like last times, WoD weekly item lockout don't get removed before 3.0

poetic cap will probably be take out before the expansion, why? because it will be pointless to maintain a lock out on a content that will be irrevelant with the 10 more level.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

poetic cap will probably be take out before the expansion, why? because it will be pointless to maintain a lock out on a content that will be irrevelant with the 10 more level.

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Removing the cap before 3.0 would only result into players outgearing all jobs 1 month before 3.0 and then have nothing to do.

If they took out the poetics cap early, they would have to remove loot restrictions on World of Darkness early too, and Final Coil restrictions. None of this would happen until the expansion if we are following usual patterns. You can't get unrestricted access to gear until it is already irrelevant and there's a superior gear level with its own restrictions in place above it.

Perhaps the better question is: will they increase the weekly cap?

Something that's easy to overlook

Weekly capped tomes: Mythology(2.0) soldiery(2.2) poectics(2.4)
Unlimited tomes: Philosophy(2.0) Mythology(2.2) soldiery(2.4)

Weekly capped coil raid: first coil(2.0) second coil(2.2) final coil (2.4)
Unlimited farming coil raid: first coil(2.2) second coil(2.4 )

Crystal tower weekly loot cap: Labyrinth of the Ancients(2.1) Syrcus Tower(2.3) World of Darkness(2.5)
Unlimited crystal tower looting: Labyrinth of the Ancients(2.2) Syrcus Tower(2.4)

2.1 saw the rise of weekly capped tomes from 300 to 450. None since then

Make your own assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Felis

If they do it like last times, WoD weekly item lockout don't get removed before 3.0

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I am not saying they will or will not do anything. Just what seems to make sense. If the starting gear in the expansion is better than i120, then there is no reason to keep the loot lockout in WoD. If they remove the loot lockout prior to the expansion, then there is no reason to have 1 set of i120 gear with no restrictions, and 1 set of gear hidden behind a weekly cap.

I'm sure in 2.55 or when they release the second half of 2.5 we will see unlimited poetic tomestones. Since there is no 2.6 and removing that cap at the expansion would be... pointless.

exept it work if the next big patch coming was only a raise of ilevel, where the next big patch behind 2.5 is an expansion with 10 more level, you can be sure that the first new raid from the 3.0 will probably ask a ilevel far more important than i130 for be started.
other point, why continue to lock content that will be not important 2-3 month later. i means when people will be level 60 with the starting gear for the level 60 raid, you can be sure that the reward in poetic and such will be irrevelant and people will simply overlook it.

don't expect that you gear from bc3 will allows you to start the new raid at level 60, at best it will offer you a good advantage at the start nothing more, after a few level you will probably get better gears from dungeon or quest. it's how work expansion in mmorpg industry.

Irrelevant for established players. In one of the recent interviews someone interviewing Yoshi-p said the i90 JSE gear from Snowcloak, Sastasha (Hard Mode), and Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard Mode) was hard for fresh players to obtain and Yoshi-P admitted that the antique gear used to make the i90 JSE was made in mind as a means for players to turn them in for grand company seals and that they would figure out a better way for fresh players to acquire that gear.

I don't expect to see a raise in the item level until 3.0, World of Darkness will be the conclusion of Crystal tower and the item level from that place will probably be 120 given LoA's was 80, and ST's is 100.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

If the starting gear in the expansion is better than i120, then there is no reason to keep the loot lockout in WoD.

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But when we talk about 'starting gear' in the expansion, what would that be exactly? The job-specific AF2 stuff at lv60? I feel there's a big question mark about how powerful that is going to be. It might crap over even the strongest lv50 gear, but it might not. And when you talk about the raid/currency gear in the expansion, then you run into lockouts, so the old WoD would still be there to gear jobs while you wait for slow weekly progression on new locked content. If they do plan to make an unprecedented move and having you instantly get gear in expansion that blows out everything that came before it, then they can either do what you are suggesting and remove old lockouts early, or introduce new plans for that gear to make it still relevant, such as letting you desynth it into highly useful materials for crafting.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

. And when you talk about the raid/currency gear in the expansion, then you run into lockouts, so the old WoD would still be there to gear jobs while you wait for slow weekly progression on new locked content.

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No one is going to run a level 50 raid to gear their level 60 job. That is simply not going to happen. I expect the staring gear for the expansion to be on par with poetics or slightly better. This is also why I think that the WoD loot lockout will be removed prior to the expansion. This would give all players the ability to get i120 gear for as many jobs as they would like in preparation for this.

If its anything like Myth and Sol before, then the cap will be removed in 2.6 whilst a new tome is introduced: This happened to Myth in 2.2, and Sol in 2.4.

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Wait, will there be a 2.6?

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

or introduce new plans for that gear to make it still relevant, such as letting you desynth it into highly useful materials for crafting.

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Oh god no please, I've been trying to level my GSM desynth on and off for weeks, and the only place to get the i90 stuff to desynth is in Coil T1-4, sure its fast but i spent like 20 runs the other day and won exactly 2 items.. gee a whole .45 skill up for 2 hours work.

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Originally Posted by Allard

Wait, will there be a 2.6?

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that the point, no 2.6, we are jumping directly to the 3.0, i think they will remove most of the lockout for the 2.5 part 2. for give people more stuff to do while waiting for the 3.0.

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Originally Posted by Allard

If its anything like Myth and Sol before, then the cap will be removed in 2.6 whilst a new tome is introduced: This happened to Myth in 2.2, and Sol in 2.4.

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Wait, will there be a 2.6?

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Nope. 2.5 is the last patch before the expansion. This is why myself and others think that this may happen.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

I expect the staring gear for the expansion to be on par with poetics or slightly better. This is also why I think that the WoD loot lockout will be removed prior to the expansion. This would give all players the ability to get i120 gear for as many jobs as they would like in preparation for this.

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When you refer poetic gear are you referring to pre upgrade or post upgrade?
Also with WoD more then likely rewarding i120 gear and dropping the items needed to upgrade poetic gear to i130, I can't see them breaking the pattern they've been following since 2.0 came out.

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Originally Posted by Allard

Wait, will there be a 2.6?

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There wont be a 2.6 but 3.0 will be a fresh even start, on even updates so far coils and CT raids switch to uncap and every other even patch new tome gear is introduced along with new crafted gear.

exept you are forgeting the main goal of Yoshida, make sure a maximum of people have done the content they have added soo far. people will not really come back to BC2-3 when Heavenward will be out, then the best way (without add echo) is to take out the lock out, since anyway, at best 1-2 month after the part 2 the expansion will be out.

just a reminder, heavenward is still announced for spring 2015, meaning before june. with the part 2 out at the end of march, it leave 2 month.

Maybe 2.55 to keep the content going until the expansion, but not at 2.5, no.

@silentwindfr
Given that Yoshida expressed regret that the first coil gear wasnt i95 to give players intensive to choose doing coil over farming for the i90 myth gear at that time I don't think Yoshi and Co. are gonna make final coil gear obsolete when 3.0 hits the ground running and second coil came out in 2.2 which came out 3/26/2014 and i'm seeing more players do it now that its unlocked then when it was locked, I think final coil will have similar results. Just because 3.0 is adding 10 levels doesnt mean players are gonna be able to hit that content naked. You're still gonna need those stepping stones called item levels.

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

When you refer poetic gear are you referring to pre upgrade or post upgrade?

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Pre upgrade. While I suspect that many people will farm the crap out of WoD and poetics if they are both removed from their perspective lockouts, I dont see many people getting multiple full sets of poetics gear and then farming up every upgrade token they would need to make the gear i130.

If WoD has its loot lockout removed prior to the expansion, which seems likely, Im betting that most people get the WoD gear for their alts and use the upgrade tokens for the first and second highest played jobs.

If poetics gear has its cap removed, the costs will likely remain the same which would deter some from gathering multiple full sets. But I am sure that some will try.

It seems more likely, at least to me that if this happens people will use the unlimited loot from WoD to gather gear and then use their poetics to buy the accessories for their jobs.

Also, I should note that I don't think that things like this would happen prior to patch 2.55. This way it would only give players a limited amount of time before the expansion comes out.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

No one is going to run a level 50 raid to gear their level 60 job.

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Like nobody do low level dungeons and FATEs to get a ilevel 125 weapon? ^^
If the reward is right, people would do old content

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

exept you are forgeting the main goal of Yoshida, make sure a maximum of people have done the content they have added soo far. people will not really come back to BC2-3 when Heavenward will be out, then the best way (without add echo) is to take out the lock out, since anyway, at best 1-2 month after the part 2 the expansion will be out.

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Then also nerf coil 11-13 to the ground during 2.5

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Originally Posted by Felis

Like nobody do low level dungeons and FATEs to get a ilevel 125 weapon? ^^
If the reward is right, people would do old content

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Not really a good comparison. The relic upgrade quests reward players with a currently viable item. Running a raid that is 10 levels lower than the player does not provide that player with a suitable reward. You said it yourself. If the level 50 raids gave people level 60 gear then this would be different.

Also, the relic quest is an entirely different subject.

I doubt they'll remove the cap, but I imagine the sol and poe given by various activities will probably be increased(well, sol at least, maybe not poe so much).

We will most likely just get a Max Cap increase for Poetics.

Removal of Weekly Limit normally arrives on every Even Number Update which the next one won't be until 3.0.

Seeing ct3 coming out in a few weeks the cap for poets will stay probably until March. There wouldn't be much of a point adding ct3 if weekly cap is remove. But expansion being round the corner I wouldn't mind removing cap from 2.5

Patch 2.5 will last longer (and is bigger, 2 part + the 2.51).

I think we will see a no-cap Poetics in the 2.55, and maybe a no-cap for WoD.


Also, I think the Final Coil / Poetics gears will be useless from the level 52+

they usually uncapped tomes, and remove lockout from coil, when a new coil was released (every 6month)
so im pretty sure the poetics cap will remain until expansion, as well as final coil.
then when expansion comes, they will make it unrestricted, so you can gear up alts. doubt they'll do that before expansion.
WoD will probably be ilv 110, so they wont uncap 120+ until you can get higher lv gear, from other raids, which is in expansion.
new dungeons in 2.5, will probably be ilv 100.

Its possible they might remove the cap with the 2nd part of 2.5 as in part with the coming expansion there will be new armor etc anyways not to mention a possible revamp of the ilvl system around 3.0 to take into account the change of the physical levels too. Even if they remove the cap its not like the old soldiery would be come defunt anyways expecially since they can be plowed into the relics.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

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WoD will likely be i120. CT (i80) > ST (i100) > WoD (i120)

Keep in mind 3.0 launches with Alexander which is Heavenswards version of the Binding Coil of Bahamut and it's supposed to be much harder than coil is now and BCoB turn 13 is not required to access Alexander. So, in essence, we are getting a new binding coil in Heavensward, but i am also guessing the gear is going to be level 60 to equip. When Heavensward comes out there aren't going to be many people doing older content except probably farming dungeons to level. When they hit 60 they're probably not going to want to do coil, etc as either it's going to be lvl 50 capped or it'll be a walk in the park with new lvl 50-60 abilities. I seriously doubt YoshiP and Co. are going to make i135 a requirement for leveling 50-60.

If it's capped, people probably aren't going to be too keen on doing it unless they're desperate for gear. Who wants to do capped content when you've got cool new skills to use?
If it's going to be a walk in the park, you might as well let people farm it all they want(before it becomes child's play) at the difficulty it was intended for.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

WoD will likely be i120. CT (i80) > ST (i100) > WoD (i120).

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I was talking to some FC mates about this as well, you get a gold star!

Did anyone notice this too?

2.2 Dungeon Gear i70
2.3 Dungeon Gear i80
2.4 Dungeon Gear i90
2.5 Dungeon Gear i100

2.0 Raid gear (coil) i90
2.1 Raid gear (CT) i80
2.2 Raid gear (coil) i110
2.3 Raid gear (ST) i100
2.4 Raid gear (coil) i130

2.0 Crafted Gear i70
2.2 Crafted Gear i90
2.4 Crafted Gear i110

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

I was talking to some FC mates about this as well, you get a gold star!

Did anyone notice this too?

2.2 Dungeon Gear i70
2.3 Dungeon Gear i80
2.4 Dungeon Gear i90
2.5 Dungeon Gear i100

2.0 Raid gear (coil) i90
2.1 Raid gear (CT) i80
2.2 Raid gear (coil) i110
2.3 Raid gear (ST) i100
2.4 Raid gear (coil) i130

2.0 Crafted Gear i70
2.2 Crafted Gear i90
2.4 Crafted Gear i110

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Everyone noticed this already ^^"

You'd be supprised :D

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

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yah you're right, WoD will probably be 120.
I think it will kinda be like going from 2nd coil, to final coil. ppl are still doing 2nd coil for gearing alts/vanity. so even when alexander raid comes, ppl will still do final coil for alts/vanity (drg set is really sexy)
lv 50 content will probably be lv synced, so you'll probably not be able to use lv 55-60skills in 2.x content, like you cant use lv 50 skills in AV/DD/etc