Do new players miss out on certain things that vets got to experience?

I started playing ff14 a month ago and im at level 36. So far im having a blast playing it. There was maybe 3 or 4 patches that introduced new dungeons and storylines to see. As a new player will i be able to experience all these dungeons and storylines? With the new patch coming soon they are adding more dungeons and storylines as well. What im basically trying to get at will I experience or will I just receive the current ones. Will they appear on the game as quest or will i have to do some googling to find them?

You'll be able to experience everything but some things have received significant nerfs and along with better gear that's been released are no longer as difficult as they once were.

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Originally Posted by Kanexus

I started playing ff14 a month ago and im at level 36. So far im having a blast playing it. There was maybe 3 or 4 patches that introduced new dungeons and storylines to see. As a new player will i be able to experience all these dungeons and storylines? With the new patch coming soon they are adding more dungeons and storylines as well. What im basically trying to get at will I experience or will I just receive the current ones. Will they appear on the game as quest or will i have to do some googling to find them?

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Pretty sure all the old content is just stacked on with new content, and you gotta do most the old, before the new. I don't know that you really miss anything, except the novelty of it being new for everyone. Oh yeah, there are some nerfs.. but really it's in content that's not too relevant anymore anyhow.

Well in a sense, no. The fights of the past are not as difficult and enthralling as before, but they're still there.

just to clarify i dont really care about the grinding of them for gear i just want to experience it with the chain quest storyline etc. Then once i beat it do the other old patch stuff until i reach the new patch...that way i feel im experiencing everything the game has to offer. Hopefully i can get through all the stuff before the new expansion comes so i can be on the same footing as others.

You can experience everything from patch 2.0 up to the current version. Some of the content is easier but it's still there.

A lot of the stuff they've added along the way is all post 50. So pre 50 it's almost exactly the same as at the beginning of 2.0, with the main difference being that you get more experience now and there is dungeon roulette, so it's faster to level. Also, rogue. You're getting to 50 at a pretty good pace so I wouldn't worry too much.

the ONLY things you'll never experience are the previous year's season events, since they change every year. So no, you'll never get to experience the majesty of the Uma Bugyo.

Well, you won't have seen the evolution of Revenant's Toll. I fondly remember when it used to just be a heap of dirt and rock pretty much. Very different from how it is today. Beyond that, though, I don't think you've missed anything else noteworthy.

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People will miss out on the coils, mainly because most vets have already moved on and the leftover players aren't really stellar candidates.

Everything related to story, dungeons and quests that were released from 2.0 onwards you will get to experience it fully. The only difference is that the difficulty of the fights have been lowered and they're farmable except for the current.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

People will miss out on the coils, mainly because most vets have already moved on and the leftover players aren't really stellar candidates.

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This is misleading. Many people still do T1-T10 (especially for soldiery tome bonuses with a new player) so saying they'll miss out on Coil is unlikely.
If the numbers should start to significantly drop off and leave Newer folks stranded, I'm sure SE will just give it extra rewards/bonuses to do it again, much like they've done with Duty Roulette High and Low Levels.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

This is misleading. Many people still do T1-T10 (especially for soldiery tome bonuses with a new player) so saying they'll miss out on Coil is unlikely.
If the numbers should start to significantly drop off and leave Newer folks stranded, I'm sure SE will just give it extra rewards/bonuses to do it again, much like they've done with Duty Roulette High and Low Levels.

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in fact the only coil people NEVER, EVER do is t3. And that's because it's worthless.
T4+5 and all of SCOB are still done regularly.

Demon Wall with the bees (gnats).

Pretty much just pre-nerfed coil and some seasonal events

Yep. The original Coil and Second Coil.

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Originally Posted by KitanaiKoneko

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Good old times...

Pre nerf pharos ( in the avg ilvl of that time )

Mor Dhonna being built up is probably the biggest thing IMO.

Answering the question directly:
Yes, you can experience all past dungeons and quests (seasonal quests may or may not reappear).

(as of 2.0. But no one should expect 1.0 stuff as it's basically considered a different game. That's why devs consider the game to be a year old even though 1.0 came out long before that).

Of course there will be changes. As with many MMOs, bugs are fixed, sceneries changed, nerfs happened, certain mobs may be moved, certain class/job skills might have been altered. But the general content itself is still available.

I missed:

• Lightning Strikes event from February 2014, among all the cool gear I'm the most sad to miss is the Bohemian's Coat, unique coat to wear for non bard or magic classes... (Not counting the chest+head wizard cowled robes)
• Moonfire Faire event in August 2014, which included the Bomb Dance emote & awesome Yukatas >_>
• All Saints' Wake event in October 2014 (Ended November 3rd, I started playing on 16th of November, lucky me) Which included awesome classic halloween witch's garments

Let's hope Lightning Strikes come back this year as well. I want my damn coat.

But there's no reason for Lightning to return, though... lore-wise, anyway. First two times made sense because of the release of the game. Third time was for the anniversary, but that was pushing it.

Anyway, one thing new players will never get to experience (unless they group up with three other new players) is the "first time" experience for level 50 dungeons. If they just queue up in Duty Finder, there's a very high chance they'll be forced to speed run and miss out on admiring landscapes, etc.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

But there's no reason for Lightning to return, though... lore-wise, anyway. First two times made sense because of the release of the game. Third time was for the anniversary, but that was pushing it.

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They might bring it back one more time whenever Lightning Returns releases on PC.

You won't be able to witness the road blocks because of the overgearing.

I remember how difficult Pharos Sirius, Amdapor Keep, and Titan were because of ilvl.

don't worry about random special events. lightning hair and coat, special cash shop package, $15

includes BONUS: Lighting Dakimakura minion with special /hug animation

The only thing you missed was 1.0. For better and worse.

And those crossover/seasonal events I guess. But that's true for many MMO.

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Originally Posted by Kanexus

Do new players miss out on certain things that vets got to experience?

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It's mostly all about nerfs :

1.X experience.

The original Demon Wall fight in Amdapor Keep.

Speed runs of Amdapor Keep before they added barriers and doors.

Using thunder I in your rotation as SMN.

Pharos Sirius before its whole nerf.

Learning to handle allagan rot in turn 2.

Turn 5 field looking like a normal hand before its revamp.

Ramuh Extreme being tankable by Titan-Egi.

Whole second coil of bahamut (but Nael) before its incredible holy-hammer nerf.

Original Atma drop rate xD.

Most of the events items before they ended into cash shop.

Mor Dhona evolutions.

Yeah, like others have said, some area evolutions (Mordy) and seasonal events. I'm pretty sure some of the "Special" events (Lightning, Shantotto, Dragon Quest) will return at some point. Probably for anniversaries. Otherwise you've missed some difficult things that eventually got nerfed.

I'm mostly curious how the expansion will affect older content. Obviously new players will play through the initial storyline, but will they have to progress through ALL of 2.x storyline, or just the 2.0 - 2.1 portion? I'm really hoping they find a way to keep older content (At the very least the last run of endgame content in 2.5) relevant. I absolutely hated how all of the endgame content in WoW became worse than obsolete as soon as an expansion hit. Or will we see a major end-of-story event like the Fall of Dalamud, signalling the end of 2.x and moving in to 3.0? I have to admit, that'd be pretty freakin' epic to end each iteration of the game in a similar fashion before the next expansion. Either way, I'm about 98% certain that you'll always be able to go back and experience the older content whenever you feel it's convenient.

I do wish that I'd played 1.0... Even though the game was, let's face it, bad at almost every level (I did play the Beta, and I just couldn't get in to it. Plus I was still a FFXI loyalist and the new game just didn't grab me!), I still wish I'd been there to see the storyline, see the areas before they changed, etc etc etc. I find myself eagerly awaiting private servers running the old version so I can experience it, bad as it was. :P I actually REALLY wish SE would put up "Nostalgia Servers" that run 1.x so that newer players can go back and see all that. I realize Yoshi and the rest of the team want to sweep all that under the carpet, but I think it would be really awesome of them to do this. Hell, I'd even pay an extra buck or two a month for access to it. Or a one-time entrance fee.

Well finished levelling my SCH alt just before 2.4 arrived and was able to catch up on all content pretty quickly. Zodiac quest helped as made it easier to get people to re-run stuff like all the ex primals when theres a bonus 100 soldiery involved XD

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Originally Posted by Nestama

But there's no reason for Lightning to return, though... lore-wise, anyway. First two times made sense because of the release of the game. Third time was for the anniversary, but that was pushing it.

Anyway, one thing new players will never get to experience (unless they group up with three other new players) is the "first time" experience for level 50 dungeons. If they just queue up in Duty Finder, there's a very high chance they'll be forced to speed run and miss out on admiring landscapes, etc.

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Then let's hope it'll come into the cash shop, like the kabuto helmets or halloween helmets. I couldn't care less for the lore-wise reasonning

The only big missables are the 1.0 storyline, 1.0 hildebrand storyline, 1.0 quests, the 1.0 dalamud storyline (couple dozen missions / unique boss battles / unique villains / unique battlefields / unique armor rewards) and the 1.0 grand company rank quests). Those who completed the 1.0 storyline got an achievement called "once in a lifetime" and their 2.0 storyline was different as various Npcs all remembered the previous deeds of your character.

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Originally Posted by Atomnium

Original Atma drop rate xD.

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Anyone who misses that needs their head examined and/or needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities.

The battle of ishgard sounds like an 1 time event to me, like the fall of dalamud and the garlean attack. it could be a closure event like these, make sure to be there just in case.

I actually doubt very much that SE would make this so-called 'Battle of Ishgard' quest a 'one time only' event though - it's more likely to be just another trial battle like Primal fights, as remember, the Fall of Dalamud/Seventh Umbral Era events in 1.0 were to send the original game off with a bang, due to 1.0 always planned to be shutdown and then be completely replaced by ARR - not to mention it was to provide a logical reason for how and why the environments and maps in ARR were completely changed from their 1.0 originals.

Heavensward, on the other hand, is just an expansion pack to ARR, and all existing story quests will be still be completely playable for new players once the expansion is released. After all, it's not like SE removed the Shadowlord fight once Rise of the Zilart was added in FFXI. Expansion packs just add to the game's story and content, not completely replace existing content.

As SE stated the 'Battle of Ishgard' is to provide the stepping stone from the existing '2.0' story into Heavensward, and with the existing storyline being kept intact once the expansion releases for any new players just joining, there is no reason for SE to make this event 'once only'. But I guess we'll find out in due course.

Batle of ishgard> cape westwind or batle on the big bridge. Some sort of battle on the bridge to ishgard, against lots of dragons and posibly nidhog who flees in the end. Leading the higher ranks of ishgard to ask for our help and opening their dors to us.

You won't really miss much on the fights themselves, but rather the experience you have with the fights. Like back in 2.0, beating Titan HM for the first time and feeling accomplished as hell with your shiny new relic, or beating T5 without the echo, and T7 without the nerf, but that's really all there is. You still get to experience all these fights, you'll just have a different perception of them.

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Originally Posted by Odett

You won't really miss much on the fights themselves, but rather the experience you have with the fights. Like back in 2.0, beating Titan HM for the first time and feeling accomplished as hell with your shiny new relic, or beating T5 without the echo, and T7 without the nerf, but that's really all there is. You still get to experience all these fights, you'll just have a different perception of them.

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Exactly. You can still do the content, but it's just not quite the same. I'm sure T5 was hard when it came out, but it only took a couple sessions for me to get through, probably within a week or two of 50. This really hit home when I finally went back to do some of the older level 50 dungeons later on, e.g. Wanderer's Palace. The videos and guides made it seem decently challenging, and I'm sure it was hard indeed back in the day, but in practice we just burned through everything super quick due to the power creep since then.

Having played during 2.0/early 2.1 and picking things up recently again on a new character, I can say that new players are mostly missing on
+ Monotonous FATE grind parties
+ Way more bots & RMT spam
+ Higher percentage of self-centered jerks
- More challenging dungeons due to everyone being new and not overgeared
- Less social pressure to skip group instance cutscenes because you're the only one new

There is a nerf SE added called Echo
Which is basically a buff for players who suck. And unfortunately you are not gonna get to see the old content when it was hard because most people are overgeared and the echo buff.