[DEVS] SCH Pet Idea 3.0

OK I know you guys might be tired of me posting about SCH blah blah blah I love the job.

Pure speculation and suggestion and even theory. OK:


As you know the SCH job consist of two pets Eos and Selene a healer buff and a damage buff pet respectively. SMN has three pets Garuda(Magic Damage, I equate her to Eos likeliness as the counter part for SMN) Ifrit the physical damage dealer (Selene helps the physical dps out more as the other magic dps the truly benefits is BLM) ...SMN also has a third pet Titan which is the tank egi for the SMN built to absorb DMG

So here where the speculation comes in: Eos and Selene are both created after Greek Gods with the respective names, here's the catch as there are three primal pets, Eos and Selene also had a brother named Helios(God Of The Sun) -->>> Follow me here

So we have our Healer pet, Utility pet, but where's our Titan ? Where is our mitigation pet ?

Warriors of Light , Guardians of our realm I present to you: Helios the mitigation pet

Of Course it would come with the Embrace heal as both of the other pets do for ideal for his moveset:

Fey Flare- This Move is pretty much a Solo Galvanize , can be used without the Obey command and applies when party members are above 80% only. I know you can control Eos/Selene to embrace above 80% but wouldn't you like in your pets down time and without wasting mp for your pet to slowly be adding shields to random players while you wait for bigger damage to come ? <-- this a must have please. Potency: +120 Shield no heal , Stacks With Aldo/Succor sigh imagine the solo heals ...Above 80% it will Fey Flare, below it will Embrace the target.

Fey Spot-Since I would rather not have a Sacred Soil II take up one of our new abilities (I'd rather it be a trait) here is a command about the size of a solar flare that mitigates up to 5% damage also adding a HoT(potency of whispering dawn does not stack with rouse though) while having a up time of 15s Stacks With Sacred Soil Mitigation as well. Talk about awesome right ? 1 min GCD

Last but not least
Solar Winds-OK All my SCHs out there we love the AoE wide Fey Illumination, but what if we gave it a edge a twist I give you- Solar Winds, it is a AoE ability boosting crit rate by 15% over the next 12s on a Two Min GcD, SCHs would love this ability furthering the ''Tanking'' aspect of this pet by giving us more proc aldo , better galvanize and also increasing my thought of Fey Flare move. Rouse Also strengthens this ability but Devs can come up with how that plays into it.


Again obviously these are made up but by a very skill SCH who loves the job and can't wait for it to expand and just wanted to throw out some new ideas, if any fellow Vet SCHs would like to chime in I would love to see what the community thinks of this....



EDIT UPDATE 1/6/2015:

Sigh the lore speculation as you stated would be a problem but then you definitely reverted back to my statement to where I simply posted okay give her a third entity as you said


''Of course, Square-Enix could easily create some cheap lore that would change the current lore with a simple "oh we found another tablet" or "hey Lily has more memories undiscovered!", but will they really?''

Yes, you claim the story has come to an end but we will be getting new job quests in the upcoming patch which will be required to obtain our new ability/traits , can we not agree on that ?

If so then why couldn't there be a twist in lore seeing as that's a viable way of upgrading a class specializing around the usage of pet actions etc etc.

Now if they add new abilities to the current pets I would love that too as a option. Like I said in my OP this isn't to just jump out and say oh this is what I want blah blah blah , I merely wanted oh those are cool ideas/ or oh those suck and then you give me your SCH abilities, forget the lore crap

HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS EXTRA COOL JOB BETTER ? AND SINCE WE ARE GETTING NEW ABILITIES WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THEM TO BE ? <<<----clear enough

not this shit again

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I would've rather have the silent treatment

So if this was a thing, why would SCH's use any other pet?

All other pets are still viable ?

Fey Illumination for Eos is a irreplaceable boosting WHM cures and Sch/Eos along with the boost from Rouse
Fey Covant is still a bigger buff to magic defense than the extra shielding , which people would still need for Nerve Cloud/Gigaflare etc etc
Whispering Dawn is a AoE HoT which wouldn't require you to be grouped as the new mechanic above does

Selene- Is constant dps increase every 30 secs for mage/ or physical dps

So this pet does not outclass the others to make them obsolete I find them very well balanced, it's going to be tough to implement just like the AST ;SCH and WHM work great together already but one of them will need to do something just a slight bit less than the AST or the AST would need to bring something more to help the party to be an option. Same works for the pets: Some endgame users don't touch Eos until like P3 T12 , some like me prefer Eos and the extra heal boost for my SCH dps spaces, so see everyone has options

I think what Lyrica meant with his/her comment was that this issue has been beaten to death repeatedly. The idea of Helios has been brought up myriad times. What most scholars don't understand, and you just might fall into this catagory, is you do NOT have two fairies. You have one fairy. One fairy, her name is Lily, is tied to your soul stone that you inherited to become a scholar. Lily has two aspects to her: Eos and Selene. So in order to have another fairy, SE would either have to add a third aspect to Lily. Or SE would have to give us a whole new second fairy, which would contradict the lore they have set as having one fairy per soul stone.

Don't get me wrong, as a fellow Scholar, I would love to have more options, even though I think Selene and Eos are enough when used properly. But the lore of the job is going to make it a little more difficult than it would be to add another egi for summoner.

Ok so One fairy per soul stone and give her another aspect- Helios ?

Or... or... you could just get good. Eos and Selene already allow a scholar to pump out healing potency beyond that of Cure II on a single target with only the MP cost of a Physick/Cure. Better fixes would be to the class itself really. (I've been labeled a hypocrite because I HAVE complained about the fairy AI in another thread before, and I retract my statements there, the fairy is completely fine) The changes I'd like to see on Scholar is to boost their AOE healing by just a little. On Succor, have it apply a shield on a target that doesn't have a shield like normal, but to make it where two scholars aren't just shielding over one another, on targets that already have a shield, apply no shield, and a boosted healing, perhaps a boost of about 100 potency. It would be less than what the shield would be worth but at least the skill would no longer feel so weak.

Or maybe Add to the shield at a 50% potency?

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

Or... or... you could just get good..

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T13 SCH pushing p4 easily doing better than a lot of SCHs in the game up to this point(not bashing any others maybe they don't have a raid group capable idk but if I were ''bad'' I think being ousted from a raid group pushing T13 would have been happened by now) .

Also this is pure speculation not that I ''NEED'' it its simply a speculation/want , hence the title maybe you can not be a jerk people do this all the time ffs. We are getting 10 new levels for expansion I can't speculate on an ability ? I'm pretty sure all the people who make youtube videos speculating need to get good too huh , and all the thread makers about abilities and jobs etc etc ?

And since when you as a SCH pumped out over 4-5k on a single Physick ? Cure II > Physick , Fey Illumnation + Physick Max might get you 2k-3.5k with a crit. CURE II Can Crit upwards 4k-5k even and that's not even with fey illumination , when you state facts just try and back it up with solid proof there . A Double Succor , since I need to get good who's bringing two SCHs to the party ?

I found it an interesting read, thanks for sharing your ideas :)

So about this "third aspect to the fairy" thing.

There's one problem with that: The fairy is a familiar created with ancient technology/science/magicks. For us Eorzeans to suddenly have the know-hows and ability to alter products from the ancients seems unlikely. After all: The only adventurers who posses said familiar are also in possession of a soul stone. You could conclude that Eorzeans simply do not know how to recreate these familiars or even "upgrade" them. I mean, MTV's "Pimp my Ride" crew can't help you here...

Here's the entire post I made in another topic concerning a third fairy named Helios:

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

As arcanist, you reclaimed an ancient tablet originated from the Nym civilization and with it a soulstone - Which you quickly snatched before the lalafel did, shame on you! The previous owner of that soulstone has succumb to the tonberry epidemic and the soulstone, with the fairy, has slumbered ever since. That single fairy, named Lily, has two sides: Eos and Selene. Both aspects of the fairy has been discovered prior to Lily recovering her memories and was described in the tablet of the nym. You could conclude that the fairy was already aware of the powers that's already lingering inside of her. If the fact that Lily were actually two seperate fairies and not one, the relation between Lily and Eos and Selene, from the Greek mythology, wouldn't be far-fetched at all. But it isn't. Lily is a single entity that happens to have two different aspects/powers. The lore also never mentioned that the tablet was incomplete.

As a scholar, you never had to do anything to unlock your familiars or their abilities. Selene and Eos has always been there from the moment you became a scholar. Summoners, on the other hand, had to battle the egi versions of specific primals before they were able to harness their powers and had a job skill quest that involves unlocking their hidden abilities: Enkindle. At the end of the scholar lore, Lily's memory has returned and the story came to an end. Helios or another potential familiar was never mentioned in the lore.

With that in mind: Lily (your current fairy) will only have two kind of powers: The power to soothe and shield and the power to silence and strengthen.

Of course, Square-Enix could easily create some cheap lore that would change the current lore with a simple "oh we found another tablet" or "hey Lily has more memories undiscovered!", but will they really?

Heck, if Lily had two aspects called Goku and Vegeta, would you expect they'd add Gohan too? The names happen to be inspired by Eos and Selene from the Greek mythology.

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Sigh the lore speculation as you stated would be a problem but then you definitely reverted back to my statement to where I simply posted okay give her a third entity as you said


''Of course, Square-Enix could easily create some cheap lore that would change the current lore with a simple "oh we found another tablet" or "hey Lily has more memories undiscovered!", but will they really?''

Yes, you claim the story has come to an end but we will be getting new job quests in the upcoming patch which will be required to obtain our new ability/traits , can we not agree on that ?

If so then why couldn't there be a twist in lore seeing as that's a viable way of upgrading a class specializing around the usage of pet actions etc etc.

Now if they add new abilities to the current pets I would love that too as a option. Like I said in my OP this isn't to just jump out and say oh this is what I want blah blah blah , I merely wanted oh those are cool ideas/ or oh those suck and then you give me your SCH abilities, forget the lore crap

HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS EXTRA COOL JOB BETTER ? AND SINCE WE ARE GETTING NEW ABILITIES WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THEM TO BE ? <<<----clear enough

I think we should just kind of be happy for a new healing job. Both the healers in this game are quite boring, and Astrologist looks like it could have some versatility and uniqueness to it. The healers so far really have no depth to them. It's pretty much "here are some basic healing things, use them" To make these jobs exciting, there really needs to be some more character. As it stands, it's just "Hots, dot, heals, and shields" No flexibility to the skills at all really. A new fairy is cool and all, but you really just described most of the same things the scholar already does, only weaker versions. It's just still "Here's some flat party buffs, here's a little shield, here's a little damage reduction, you can already do these things, but here's the same tools, only weaker" My suggestion was a heal that gets stronger if another aspect of the AOE heal was already in effect.

Other things I would suggest is more dynamics between the pet and summoner. A buff with a long CD that starts when it wears off, but turning it on causes a stacking increase in Mind every 3 seconds the healer and fairy stay still. Or a trait that causes shields that fall off without being used to return a portion of their amount as MP. (I realize I am drawing some skills from WoW, but you really can't knock another game for having diverse healers)

I'd also like to see some dynamic between Lily's aspects, kind of like the Sun and Moon aspects of the Druid DPS in WoW. As Eos uses Embrace, she generates stacks of Fey Dust, at 10 stacks, she suddenly transforms into Selene in a burst of AOE healing. Change Selene's heal into a shield with the same potency. She casts her shield, and generates stacks of Fey Pollen, and at 10, she suddenly changes back into Eos in a burst of AOE shielding. The process repeats. Swiftcast + Summon of a certain fairy can cause the effect to trigger early for a reduced effectiveness. The fairies will already heal themselves, so what would it matter if they switched back and forth and recovered their own HP in the process? You would also have the chance to use both fairies' other CDs during their up time, and the changing back and forth automatically would make using all of the buffs available easier.

EDIT: Changed the names of the stacking things cause I noticed they were already names of skills.

Hmmm so ok, first of all, Fey Flare. The stacking of this shield on top of galvanise may turn out to be a little overpowered perhaps. The problem that may occur with this ability being in the game is that encounters may have to be tuned to take into account this powerful stacking mitigation. It would mean things would have to hit harder to take this into account, and thus perhaps create a catch 22 situation where scholars are needed in most parties due to encounters being tuned to take this level of mitigation into account (bare in mind there will be 3 healers come expansion, and one is going to have to sit out of every raid).

Fey Spot: you say about this "talk about awesome" and i think you have it right there. It is awesome, but potentially too awesome. Think about having the following: adlo and fay flare shield on MT, sacred soil, fay spot and succor on raid. The mitigation is a little too powerful with all this combined o.o.

As for solar winds, i honestly dont know if is would have too much of an impact on balance, no impact on balance or a little impact on balance. Hmmm, i can see summoners being able to combine this with dots+raging strikes+contagion to make it very powerful.

Its a hard thing to do try and think up new things for scholars, since mitigation can be seriously unbalanced. I can see where you are going with these, but i am unsure if they are balanced or unbalanced to be honest. I play scholar in final coil, have played scholar since 2.0, and understand how absurdly powerful this class. Any future advancements with this class are going to be difficult to design and develop due to the nature of mitigation abilities in a game such as this O.o.

Edit: oh and just to say, the lore in this game is an artificial construct, so anything could be feasible and possible, its the probablitity that may be low however.

I don't want Helios,
I want phoenix Egi the ultimate scholar's pet! Please devs ;.;

While the ideas are interesting, I think they could be more effective without being overpowered. At the same time, even as you wrote them, those abilities are already much more powerful than the abilities provided by our pets currently, especially Selene. I would much rather see improvements to our existing pets and our own abilities, that would cover what you wrote, before a new pet is added. Eos isn't weak by any means, and far outclasses Selene. The only reason to ever use Selene is if you have another scholar in the group that is using Eos, or if you really care about the minimal buff Selene provides and don't need Eos' healing centric cool downs. If we are to have multiple pets, we shouldn't use one only because the other pet isn't needed. Whether it is progression or farm, ideally, both pets should be equally useful, for different reasons, in the same situation. Granted, that is the ideal.

I would much rather see Selene's buffs changed to a flat % buff. Rather than increasing spell/skill speed rating by 30%, instead reduce current cast/recast times outright by a smaller %; 5%-10% would be appropriate. This would make the buffs much more effective while making sure it is effective even when your gear doesn't have a ton of spell/skill speed. Either this, or buff those stats as a whole, which is a more prickly balance concern.

Additionally, give both Eos and Selene larger radii on their cooldowns. If our pets are a central part of our role as healer, then they need to synergize well with our abilities. This means that the range on their abilities need to match, or in some cases exceed (since it is relying on AI), our own range. Considering the cool downs of these abilities and their functions, we shouldn't need to worry about people being close enough to be affected. The pet spells should all have a range to match our Physick.

This also brings up the point that Succor needs a buff to its radius to match Medica II. Succor is already very weak actual healing when compared to a white mage's Medica. At the very least, they should have compatible and matching radii. Also, I would suggest giving Succor the additional functionality of doing increased healing when it hits targets which already have a shield on them. Not so much that matches Medica II's healing output however; that should remain a White Mage advantage.

I do think Scholars need to see improvements to their shielding and utility. They need something to really define their class and separate it from White Mage and potentially Astrologian if that job is not also different enough. The jobs need to have worthwhile core strengths that give them an advantage at certain duties over other jobs.

Personally I am an advocate of either giving us a separate, pure shield spell, or to simply remove the healing component from Adloquium and simply give the shield a much higher potency. In the spells current form, the shield can't be too strong, since the spell heals; the heal can't be too strong because it shields. As a consequence, when considering cost, It is often more efficient to simply wait and heal the damage with Physick after its done when anticipating damage. Because of the potency and cost, unless you get a crit, it isn't worth it to Adloquium the target unless you know that a non-crit shield is both, what is required, and enough, to save them since banking on a crit isn't good practice. This goes against what should be the defining strength of damage absorption based healing, efficiency and reduced waste through reduced overhealing.

Give us the ability to create a powerful shield on a target, the spell can even have a high cost, but make it efficient. Allow for an element of skill. Make the spell return a % of its MP cost, up to a cap, based upon how much of the shield was used up before disappearing. If the shield is eaten through instead of timing out, then you get the capped return. If the shield goes unused then you are punished with no return for using your spells wastefully. Mechanics like these would make the job more interesting overall and give skilled scholars even more opportunities to stand out when they perform well.

Playing our jobs should be interesting. A game designer should strive for something very particular when designing a playable class. Ideally, the target to aim for, is that playing the class should fun. Fun is why people play games. Playing your class should be a form of intrinsic reward; if you enjoy playing it for its own sake, a lot of other things will fall into place.

To expand on Adloquium, it is only efficient to use it if the target will die without it and is already injured. This is because, if they will die even without being already injured, the very, very likely case is that nothing will save them in the first place. This is generally only in the case of mistakes and isn't something you would be able to reliably predict anyway.

If you know the target will survive the damage without the Adloquium? Then you shouldn't bother. A Physick+Embrace after the damage will do more actual healing, as well as costing half the Adloquium.

In its current form, Adloquium just isn't an efficient spell and needs to be a straightforward shield. If the cost of Adloquium is going to remain twice the cost of Physick, then the shield would need to be twice the potency of Physick or higher. Otherwise reduce the cost to be appropriate for the potency.

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Ok so One fairy per soul stone and give her another aspect- Helios ?

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aww cute, but gotta keep up deary.

Us lot in this forum have brought helios and beaten him down more times that I can bothered to count.

It's nice lore but thats it at the moment.

Thank you guys for coming in and saving this post and posting some good ideas lol . Syn I love the Aldo idea; allowing it to be pure shield with a higher potency would be awesome , as you rarely count on aldo for healing rather more the proc crit for shield , if the base shield was already high our job wouldn't circle around that one proc.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

not this shit again

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lol too funny XD Anyway. Meh I feel like the faeries are all they can be I really don't know who another would happen or even if it would fit in with the Scholar. Why Choose the 3rd fairy over Eos or Selene. Maybe have it as the AoE pet? I know Eos has the HoT AoE, but this fairy could have a somewhat medica type? or something similar.

how about we just get garuda egi instead.
Pretty sure it would be more useful

More abilities for Eos and Selene please!

I'd love for the pets to not do anything if you so desire. Please Devs!

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Originally Posted by minahsaranghae

I'd love for the pets to not do anything if you so desire. Please Devs!

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why not just use away then?

A new Fairy that was trapped in the Forbidden realm Eureka (AKA world of darkness) as a new quest line for 50 to 60 for SCH sounds about right

Hello, idk where to post this but since this is a pet skill suggestion thread... Can we have a command that tells the pet to cancel a cast (and a macro that goes long with it ofc)... I mainly want it so that when i tell my pet to silence something it can silence it right away instead of waiting for a castbar to finish/ etc. Thanks.

you can macro together /stay and /pac "silent dusk". can do the same for your other fairy spells too if you want her to cast them faster