Practice Duty Finder

I think if we had a separate section of the duty finder for practice runs, it may be helpful. Perhaps giving only half the reward for completion? Or maybe no reward, the reward being the practice and experience gained? What do you guys think? I know in party finder groups distinguish between "practice, learning" and "kill" parties, it may be helpful to have that in the duty finder as well.

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Originally Posted by Honey_Tailtwitcher

I think if we had a separate section of the duty finder for practice runs, it may be helpful. Perhaps giving only half the reward for completion? Or maybe no reward, the reward being the practice and experience gained? What do you guys think? I know in party finder groups distinguish between "practice, learning" and "kill" parties, it may be helpful to have that in the duty finder as well.

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Why remove or modify rewards? a simple tag like "learning" should be enough, unless you were asking for practice content, like an easier version.

Most players i know that want a kill group use party finder and most that want to practice use duty finder.
I dont see why duty finder should give you any less of a reward for clearing the same content as a party finder group though.

You know, I like this idea. But to expand on it a little, you could have a "Learning" Duty Finder for people who haven't done something yet. Or even better, a check box to indicate you're a first-timer. That way inexperienced players get grouped together in order to learn something together or just to practice to get better. If you're an experienced player willing to help new folks out, you could check this as well. People who want to speed run will stay out of this because they know they'll be slowed down by "Noobs", and the kinds of people who are willing to help new folks out will be less likely to compete against low-level gear for the sole purpose of desynthing or passing it off for Grand Company seals.

I use the df for practice now...

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Originally Posted by geordie

Most players i know that want a kill group use party finder and most that want to practice use duty finder.

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It's funny because this works the other way around on Japanese servers.

I would much prefer a filter option in the df. I do understand that the majority of DF users only use it for "practice" but there are some ppl like myself who would like to use DF to meet like minded people across servers who have achieved the same goals. A filter option that matches by achievement for raids would be a welcome change to those who to use df as another means of doing raid content but can't afford to wait hours for a group only to wipe. I would restrict it to raid content and remove the bonus so the only incentive is to get gear.

Another change I would love is a re-queue with the same party upon completion with a limit of 3 so ppl wont instance camp. Combine this with the filter option and now raid content is viable as a farm in DF which is what I would love to see. It's not wrong to seek like-minded people however I am aware that some ppl will get the shaft since they haven't cleared it but that's life, you can't please everyone.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Another change I would love is a re-queue with the same party upon completion with a limit of 3 so ppl wont instance camp. Combine this with the filter option and now raid content is viable as a farm in DF which is what I would love to see. It's not wrong to seek like-minded people however I am aware that some ppl will get the shaft since they haven't cleared it but that's life, you can't please everyone.

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This is actually a good idea. If you get into a party and it happens to be a great group....be kind of cool to run with them again.

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Originally Posted by Vondoomervil

I use the df for practice now...

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Wait till you hit SCoB with DF. You're in for a rude awakening.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

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Segregation is a terrible idea.
People would *never* check the box that puts them in with learning people.
If people could get their heads out of their rears and actually teach people who are having trouble in the Duty Finder rather than just screaming at them to watch videos and rage quitting.
Now i understand that some people just can't be helped, because they don't understand they are messing up (Flawed dps rotations, improper/lack of cooldown usage etc) and the Vote Abandon is a valid tool for dealing with that.

But you would be incredibly surprised at how many "fail" DF groups churn out a solid win after just a few tries and some tips from experienced players.

Though i do definitely agree with being able to queue again with a DF party you played well with.

@OP;
I disagree with a practice mode. People do many fights in slightly different ways. T6 has several strategies. If no one communicates which one they plan to use, and then tell people what that strat entails then your group of even 8 experienced players will fail.
Personal experience, my friend who has been helping me get through EX Primals wanted me to join her in T6, gave me a video that explained the whole fight very nicely (<3 MTQ guides) and then said "But we wont be using that strategy".

So If we had a practice mode you would often run into groups that Practice using the first guides to come out, when people were doing it in 'barely there' ilvls, while now people overgear T6 and use totally different strategies.

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Originally Posted by Brianmj

Wait till you hit SCoB with DF. You're in for a rude awakening.

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Let me guess... 1st wipe...people quit..'w'

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Segregation is a terrible idea.
People would *never* check the box that puts them in with learning people.
If people could get their heads out of their rears and actually teach people who are having trouble in the Duty Finder rather than just screaming at them to watch videos and rage quitting.

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If new players could get their heads out of their rears and actually take on advice that is given in polite/helpful/jovial manner instead of totally ignoring anything said then we will get their. It's not just players that don't want to helpp, theres plenty that have too big an ego to admit they are derping and accept any help.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

If new players could get their heads out of their rears and actually take on advice that is given in polite/helpful/jovial manner instead of totally ignoring anything said then we will get their. It's not just players that don't want to helpp, theres plenty that have too big an ego to admit they are derping and accept any help.

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Good job cutting off my post and then parroting what i said in the part you cut off.

I've never understood the NA mentality of using a random group (Duty Finder), where you have no control over composition, as the place to practice and learn.

Stop doing it. It's inconsistent. It's annoying for veterans and disheartening as a new player when people get annoyed with you.

Use Party Finder to get a group of like minded people with similar goals to practice & learn in a more controlled environment.


Use Duty Finder when you know the content back-to-front and want to do something quickly...

*Queues for practice mode as a dps* "avg wait time: 3 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes"

Every run is a practice run until the boss is cleared, people need to stop acting like there is some huge penalty for failing a fight. Saying i want a button that ensures I get better players in DF is just not going to happen. Someone said SCoB DF is terrible, I DF t6 and t7 quite often and the groups probably clear around 50% of the time. Maybe people on my datacenter just have more patience towards those who haven't cleared, but that isn't a terrible success rate for randoms.

Everyone knows the restrictions for entering DF, they are written right next to every duty you select. They are very very light, if you want stricter ones that is what PF is for.

I'd prefer to do content in faster queue with high fail chance rather than waiting for longer queue, then again the so called practice people dont really have patient anyway, all they want are free carry, i keep seeing people in learning party from pf leaving after couple of wipes even though "training" is written there, or even people left abruptly when they die for their own incompetence..
Then i keep seeing people who label themself as farm group but still dont know mechanic and they always blame each other.. Nothing will sort this out {:v)

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Originally Posted by Natashio

Let me guess... 1st wipe...people quit..'w'

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Or the second wipe. There is a definite shift in attitude when going from Bcob to Scob. I did turn 8 the other night (first time), and even with three other people saying they were new, with the party appearing to be progressing, because the first wipe was around 90% and the second around 60%, the tank abruptly quits (it's always the tank) and the party disbands. In T5, even though there were first wipe disbands, people were generally patient, generally. Quite a few parties would have people understand the gist of conflagration and fireball before disbanding. Here in Scob land that's not the case. Here it's almost as if you're suppose to know the fight. You know that line people spout, "the Japanese use party finder for practice and duty finder for clears", that's the situation for NA/EU Scob.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

I've never understood the NA mentality of using a random group (Duty Finder), where you have no control over composition, as the place to practice and learn.

Stop doing it. It's inconsistent. It's annoying for veterans and disheartening as a new player when people get annoyed with you.

Use Party Finder to get a group of like minded people with similar goals to practice & learn in a more controlled environment.


Use Duty Finder when you know the content back-to-front and want to do something quickly...

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But the same could be said for veterans. If you absolutely want a clear, do party finder. It's as you said, there is no control over the composition of the party, so veterans should not have any expectations when doing DF. The forums are a small subset of the ffxiv population, and NA/EU culture operates on DF is for practice. This isn't going to change any time soon.

2 Words.. Guild Hest. Wish SE would utilize it more.

I just wish they would let us enter duties with less than a full party. Please stop making us wait for a full 8 members just so we can enter.

I liked this feature in vindictus, where you could just hammer your face against a boss with infinite revives untill you got the pattern down, but it only really works in vindictus because you can solo up to dungeon bosses to actually learn their patterns. It's really unlikely to get a group to willingly go into a practice mode.

I definitely like the idea of learning a new dungeon with a group of random people but it's just not realistic for a dungeon/boss that's been available for a while.

Cape Westwind is the perfect example. Nobody runs it except people who are new to it but just need it to advance the story. Result is insane wait times.

Practice mode would turn out the same way.

Your best hope is to hit DF when a new dungeon is first released and then everyone will be derping for a few days until people start memorizing it to the grind.