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Wiping twice on second Qarn Boss.
Oh the fun.
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12-28-2014, 04:04 AMBidoofJinhDuty Finder how I love you
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12-28-2014, 05:57 AMChameleonMS
Been there. Done that. As healer I took it upon myself to explain the mechanics and do the marking, one more wipe and we got threw it.
But explanations do not always work, was in Titan normal a little while ago as a tank, there were repeated wipes, repeated instructions provided as to how to avoid Landslides, Weight of the land, where to stand during Geocrush; and the players just were not getting better. With 6 minutes left I voted to abandon, after more than 10 wipes. -
12-28-2014, 08:00 AMGarlyle
Oh, congrats on making it to the second boss of Qarn.
My first time to Qarn we literally could not clear the first boss and we ran out the duty finder timer trying.
(I've always liked Qarn for exactly that reason though; it's mostly optional and basically is a sample of things to come in terms of difficulty and execution, which is a nice break from all the relatively easy stuff that gets thrown at you in the game up to that point)
Titan stomps a lot of new players into the ground. I took a group of three new players in our FC into Titan once (as the healer to boot!) and it took us 50 minutes to clear, and two were so mad at the game by the end they had to take a day off. These days two of those are literally among our FC's best in terms of skill in their class and at handling mechanics in coil. It's just that Titan is often the first challenge tuned in such a way to actually feel punishing for mistakes. Haukke and Brayflox can do notable damage, but most players won't even notice if there's a decent healer backing them up; I've watched too many tanks cluelessly just eat the poison line AoE on the last boss in Brayflox. With Titan? Getting landslided off the edge is really, really hard not to notice.Quote:
But explanations do not always work, was in Titan normal a little while ago as a tank, there were repeated wipes,
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12-28-2014, 08:27 AMHybris-Maenad
God forbid you have to actually type up explanations of the mechanics...
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12-28-2014, 09:04 AMMilesSaintboroguh"Go watch a video" is the most popular "explanation".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad
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12-28-2014, 10:12 AMLunaHoshinoEven doing that won't help some people. I was helping an FCmate with story mode Garuda on his alt (so he'd run it before and knew the fight) along with another FCmate and a healer who was brand-new to the fight. We explained the mechanics to them, marked where they should stand during the different parts... and they still died EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. We wiped probably nine or ten times and every time it was their fault-- eventually we ran out of time without clearing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad
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12-28-2014, 02:11 PMDeculture"Why should some stranger help you if you aren't willing to help yourself?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad
This was cemented into us by our DI. It's also a pretty good quote to live by in general (both ingame and irl). Be self sufficient and read or watch a guide ahead of time. I had enough self awareness and courtesy for other players to spend two seconds Googling a guide for coil/dungeons/primals before jumping into said encounter when I returned to the game three weeks ago after a 8+ month break. -
12-28-2014, 02:25 PMMilesSaintboroguh
I don't think it's leeching for a person to ask for a tl;dr run down on what to do for each boss; every boss cept for ones in raids and primals have very few tricks that can easily be summed up without needing an "in depth analysis" video guide. A person who is willing to ask on what to do is more willing to learn and listen than someone who tries to brute force it or wonder why watching a video didn't work the first time.
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12-29-2014, 10:31 AMGarlyleIf knowing the mechanics was all it took to actually be good at them we'd all be done Turn 13 by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad
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12-29-2014, 05:56 PMRyuDragnierAhh Qarn, the noob destroyer, the first real dungeon that teaches you to watch out for special mechanics of bosses and that you need to know how to play. Aurum Vale does the same thing, if you don't know how to play and/or don't understand mechanics, you're going to have a bad time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BidoofJinh
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12-29-2014, 07:57 PMHybris-MaenadWe're not talking endgame raids or primals here, just a basic dungeon. If you know the mechanics to a fight, you know why you wipe whenever it happens. I'd rather waste 90 seconds typing than waste 5 minutes wiping again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deculture
Maybe too many of you guys are learning from videos instead of picking up mechanics. They're easy to explain for the everyday stuff you'll run with randoms. -
01-02-2015, 01:06 AMPhirmware
I sadly meant the worst player in this game doing a Qarn run this morning. Makes me ashamed to be a scholar.
Skill-wise? Nope, she knew her stuff.
Gear-wise? No again, decked out in raiding gear.
Being an all-around decent human being? Bingo.
Yeah the tank was a bit under-geared, but she then proceeded to belittle everyone in the group, especially the tank about how things were proceeding. Lets the tank die twice, just to prove a point. I'm not sure what the point was, maybe that she had the power to wipe the group a couple of times. Starts pulling mobs before the tank is even caught up to us, again causing a wipe.
She then tells the tank he has terrible gear and that he should stick to another class, cause he sucks as a tank, just prior to us pulling the final boss.
Give me a mediocre healer with a decent attitude over this POS any day. Yukari, I hope to never have the misfortune of grouping with you again.