4k issues

So I just recently got a 4k monitor to go with my 980 graphics card and I\\'m loving it so far except for one thing. The game that I spend the most time on (this one) doesn\\'t have a lot of UI support for it. I mean gameplay and graphics all look amazing but the UI increase bar only goes up to 1.5x or 2x bigger o can\\'t remember at the moment. So when it comes to reading text and navigating through the UI it is super small. Also the mouse is super tiny and really hard to see. I\\'ve even tried to upscale UI from the Windows control panel to maximum. It affects almost all other games but this one in 4k. A quick suggestion would be to make the UI upscale bar go up to 4x bigger but that\\'s not up to me. Has anyone else encountered this, and if you have how did you deal with it?

I have the same problem, UI is too small but 4k with 60 fps looks amazing. Please allow us to increase UI size to at least 200%.

Sorry for some of the random symbols I made this post from my phone and those got randomly put in there and I can't edit them.

I'm going to also second this suggestion, as someone not even having a 4kHD display. (Dell 30" @ 2560x1600)


Some of us are visually impaired. The larger that we can make UI elements such as the compass, HP bars, skill-bars, etc, the easier it is for us to play the game. Please just consider permitting UI elements to be scaled to a custom "user-input" size.

--For instance, if I could make the compass 400%+ scale, I probably would. Point is that this isn't something that effects just a niche of the market of people playing on high end rigs with expensive monitors, it's also an accessibility feature.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...caling-options

So far nothing from the community reps, a bit disappointing TBH.

I've actually been playing Tera lately because of the recent expansion, and that game has a freely scalable UI and most importantly, UI size is independent of resolution. The base 100 size is the same whether you run in 1280x720 or 3840x2160. It knows what the resolution is and always sets the default 100 to same relative size, which you can then scale freely as you like.

Very few things support 4k atm, so unless they patch in support or it has native scaling for up to 8k resolutions, there won't be true native support.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Very few things support 4k atm, so unless they patch in support or it has native scaling for up to 8k resolutions, there won't be true native support.

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Amazingly enough both WoW and Tera manage to support freely scalable UIs, which means resolution is irrelevant. 720p, 1080p, 4K, 8K, 16K, Holodeck, it doesn't matter. The UI will be the same size no matter what resolution you pick, because it's based on relative size to the screen and not absolute size to the number of pixels. In fact almost all games with a sane UI design are able to implement this quite simply, which makes it more baffling how Squenix managed to design an MMO client in 2013 which had all UI elements in an absolute pixel size.

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Originally Posted by Illya

Amazingly enough both WoW and Tera manage to support freely scalable UIs, which means resolution is irrelevant. 720p, 1080p, 4K, 8K, 16K, Holodeck, it doesn't matter. The UI will be the same size no matter what resolution you pick, because it's based on relative size to the screen and not absolute size to the number of pixels. In fact almost all games with a sane UI design are able to implement this quite simply, which makes it more baffling how Squenix managed to design an MMO client in 2013 which had all UI elements in an absolute pixel size.

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Maybe it's because of the console problem. Due to the game existing on PS3 and PS4, it was probably developed with a maximum resolution of 1080p in mind the entire time. It's easier to create parity across multiple systems, especially for a game this big, than it is to add special features for the PC version.

Although, the real issue is attempting to use a computer monitor sized screen for 4k in the first place. What's the point of having all that resolution if you just upscale everything anyway?

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Although, the real issue is attempting to use a computer monitor sized screen for 4k in the first place. What's the point of having all that resolution if you just upscale everything anyway?

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Honestly, you really just need to see it for yourself. The only thing that needs up scaling is UI. The graphics itself are just so much better just by having higher resolution. If you run 1080 and look at the edges of characters you can tell there is a lot of little pixelated edges and anti- aliasing only blurs it a bit. 4k literally makes it so there are so many pixels that you can't even tell where the pixels are unless of course you put your eye against the monitor in which case I would feel sorry for your eyes :P. It all just makes the game look waaaay better. Also higher resolution doesn't mean if you up scale something to the size it would be on a 1080 monitor it will look the same. It will still look crisp and better no matter what angle you look at it.

The only issue I have with the UI at 4k is the mouse not clicking things in the correct spot.

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

Honestly, you really just need to see it for yourself. The only thing that needs up scaling is UI. The graphics itself are just so much better just by having higher resolution. If you run 1080 and look at the edges of characters you can tell there is a lot of little pixelated edges and anti- aliasing only blurs it a bit. 4k literally makes it so there are so many pixels that you can't even tell where the pixels are unless of course you put your eye against the monitor in which case I would feel sorry for your eyes :P. It all just makes the game look waaaay better. Also higher resolution doesn't mean if you up scale something to the size it would be on a 1080 monitor it will look the same. It will still look crisp and better no matter what angle you look at it.

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Then maybe I just have bad eyes because I run it at native resolution(1680x1050, so not quite 1080p, but still native to the monitor) with FXAA turned off and I see no problems with aliasing.

meh,

a single 980 can't run this game at its best at 4k anyway, it simply doesn't have the raw pixel output for it.

You're totally welcome to enjoy 20fps constantly though.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

meh,

a single 980 can't run this game at its best at 4k anyway, it simply doesn't have the raw pixel output for it.

You're totally welcome to enjoy 20fps constantly though.

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My single overclocked 970 has no issues with 30+ fps with all settings maxed except in cities. Since I'm not exactly fighting anything in Limsa Lominsa, 20fps there is irrelevant. A single 980, especially an overclocked one, should have no problems going even higher.

Things my look smooth but textures will look really washed and poor.

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Originally Posted by Illya

My single overclocked 970 has no issues with 30+ fps with all settings maxed except in cities. Since I'm not exactly fighting anything in Limsa Lominsa, 20fps there is irrelevant. A single 980, especially an overclocked one, should have no problems going even higher.

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You overestimate the capability of the hardware when the situation and scene is cpu bottlenecked vs gpu.

City states are CPU bottlenecked

Out in the field is gpu bottlenecked.

30fps is not smooth to play at, it is choppy as every frame is displayed twice during a refresh interval.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

30fps is not smooth to play at, it is choppy as every frame is displayed twice during a refresh interval.

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This is your opinion. Other's play the game at 20-30 fps just fine.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

This is your opinion. Other's play the game at 20-30 fps just fine.

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30 is playable. Anything sub 30 they play it but I can almost guarantee they don't like it as the game chops and starts to look like a slide show.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

meh,

a single 980 can't run this game at its best at 4k anyway, it simply doesn't have the raw pixel output for it.

You're totally welcome to enjoy 20fps constantly though.

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I play on high settings (not max) 60 fps in all areas. Just needed to turn of loading things behind walls. So yea, not playing at 2p fps but thanks for your input.

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

I play on high settings (not max) 60 fps in all areas. Just needed to turn of loading things behind walls. So yea, not playing at 2p fps but thanks for your input.

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4k with a single card? Yeah right.

I get 30fps on maximum settings in cities and 60fps+ in dungeons with 4k on a laptop with a single card.

Don't doubt it, I'm getting 60fps roughly everywhere with DSR 4k on a single overclocked GTX 970.
Which has to work quite a bit harder than native 4k
So I'd imagine a native resolution 4k would have no problems with it. (my 4k screen will be here in a few days)

Remember to turn on the Occlussion culling.
Turn off FXAA absolutly, you totally don't need that at 4k.
(2 other options that you can mess with which hit the FPS hard but don't impact the looks very much are HDR, and Screen Space ambient Occlusion. sometimes changing transparent lighting can give a nice boost in fps also)


I'd be expecting better performance come DX11.

It's easy to tell who in this thread hasn't actually tried to play this game in 4K, either on a 4K display or using Nvidia DSR.

4K and 60fps can be achieved in many games available today with reduced settings. If you completely max all the settings out many games are still in the 30fps playable range, but for a shooter like Battlefield 4 you will prefer lower settings to ensure 60fps. For something where the optimal frame rate isn't as important like an MMO, it's acceptable to run at max or near max at 30fps. I doesn't bother me to play FFXIV or Tera at 30fps, sure 60fps is nice but I'm not trying to headshot the mobs or anything.

if you have to reduce the settings, its not worth it.

if you think it is, time to go get those eyes tested, coz honey, you ain't 20/20.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

if you have to reduce the settings, its not worth it.

if you think it is, time to go get those eyes tested, coz honey, you ain't 20/20.

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Just so you know 4k screen res is only an option to people that can run it. Anything lower is a reduced setting for people that use a higher res monitor. So we can reduce a few settings that literally are obsolete because of such high res and keep the amazing res we currently have. So that just kinda backfired on you. Anyway I like how I post on this forum to get answers and try to get help and I get some truly good people saying they need help and are looking for dev attention and then I get the people that are like "Oh I don't have that so I must argue against any quality of life improvement if it doesn't affect me" or " I don't have that high tech stuff so I have to try to argue that his/hers is worse than mine because why not." It's sad. ESPECIALLY when the people arguing just think they know so much and still have yet to see the game in higher res, 4k especially. Don't act like you know more than the people that have the hardware and are dealing with it right now. I really wish I could delete peoples comments that don't contribute ANYTHING to my forum topic. -.-

First time I tried using 4K (well... 3200*1800 to be exact) I thought "where the hell'd my HUD go?!" xD

http://puu.sh/dKrj2/588a777e95.bmp

I just wanted to let others know how this game performs under 4k as I do have a 4k monitor, and to give others a bit of insight on hardware requirements to run FFXIV at 4k.

My System Specs:
i5-4670 @ 3.8GHz
32GB G.Skill Trident 2400MHz RAM (for the lulz and messing with RAM drives)
Samsung 840 Pro SSD
28" ASUS PB287Q Monitor (4k)

As for my video cards.....

2x AMD R9 280x
I was using these, but I had slow-down issues with certain graphical effects only when crossfire was enabled. Others have reported this too on crossfire and SLI, and it has to do with the purple glow by entrances/exits to boss fights.

Crossfire only work if you're running full-screen.

Crossfire messes up if you have DPI scaling enabled in Windows. If you alt-tab or quit out of the game, Crossfire will be disabled from the game until you rename the game folder (WHY? I dunno, it just does). Something to keep in mind if you run your desktop at 3840x2160.

I found that if I set the desktop to 1920x1080 there was a slight increase to FPS (mostly noticeable in Mor Dhona as I use v-sync)

EVGA GTX 980 SuperClocked Edition
After doing a bit of research, I went out and purchased this last night and it works at about the same performance as the two R9 280X I had crossfired, if not a little better and without the slow-down problem mentioned above.

There doesn't appear to be any gains with the desktop resolution set at 1920x1080.

Graphical Settings:

AA: Off (it's not needed, seriously).
Other Party Effects: Off
(I find it hard to focus on what is going on with too many flashy things pouring all over my screen.)
Occlusion Culling: On
Shadow LOD: On
All other settings at max.
I like to play on Full-Screen.

Results:

With v-sync on, I maintain 60 FPS just about everywhere except for in Mor Dhona which can drop FPS to sub-30 numbers with everything maxed. A few tweaks on the settings can raise you up to 35-40.
I haven't taken a peak yet at my FPS in a 24-man raid, but there was no indication to me that my FPS was dropping below 30 with the crossfire cards.

With V-sync off, I get up to about 85 FPS in non-populated areas, so keep this in mind if you're trying to hit 120FPS on 4k (REALLY? Who's trying to do this right now?)

GPU RAM utilization hits about 2GB under 4k, so there's still plenty of breathing room if you're looking at using 3GB cards.

thats a nice report. it's too bad you bought the non k version of that CPU, because it you would be able to get nearly a 5ghz speed OC on the K version which would further improve your FPS by quite a nice margin considering how much FFXIV ARR is CPU dependant.

DX11 is being developed with gameworks in mind btw, so those of us with NVIDIA cards can expect way better performance than AMD, since they don't give a crap about MMOs.

Also at 4k no one really needs to worry about 120fps since 60fps is practically the limit atm for PC for 4k atm unless you're doing 3d, then you will need 120.
or 60 at 30 30. but blehhhh gaming at 30fps is really lame. anyone who disagrees needs their eyes checked. (movies are completely unrelated to this)

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Originally Posted by Xoriam

thats a nice report. it's too bad you bought the non k version of that CPU, because it you would be able to get nearly a 5ghz speed OC on the K version which would further improve your FPS by quite a nice margin considering how much FFXIV ARR is CPU dependant.
Also at 4k no one really needs to worry about 120fps since 60fps is practically the limit atm for PC for 4k atm unless you're doing 3d, then you will need 120.
or 60 at 30 30. but blehhhh gaming at 30fps is really lame. anyone who disagrees needs their eyes checked. (movies are completely unrelated to this)

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Yea I got the superclocked one that can get almost to 5ghz, I probably should have mentioned that haha. But just towards your last comment I am doing the same settings on my game as the guy above your comment and I am at 60 fps besides town. And in town i get 45-55. So I'm never playing in a situation where i have lower fps, but there are situations where I am just afking of sitting bored in a place of low FPS XD. But to be honest that doesn't bother me one bit because I spend most my time in coil and roulettes and just straight up killing stuff so I never really notice it :)

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Originally Posted by Xoriam

thats a nice report. it's too bad you bought the non k version of that CPU, because it you would be able to get nearly a 5ghz speed OC on the K version which would further improve your FPS by quite a nice margin considering how much FFXIV ARR is CPU dependant.

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I have the K version, I just had left it at stock. Sadly, mine doesn't want to pump up past 4.4GHz without getting into extreme voltages (>1.3V) and even under water it's putting up some pretty high temps when Prime95ing at that voltage. I hadn't messed around with it much until today, and it's now running the game even better.... Getting 45-50 FPS in the same spot in Mor Dhona now where I was getting 35-40.

Mebbe if I mess around more with other settings in the BIOS I get my CPU higher, but for now... I just wanna game <_<

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this is off topic but, wow the atmas in your sig look like candy....it's making me hungry

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The only issue I have with the UI at 4k is the mouse not clicking things in the correct spot.

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Did you find how to solve this issue ? I ditched the 4k enhancement proposed by nvidia on 1080 screens because of this.

SqEnix, could we at least get some sort of acknowledgement that a fix is on the way for this? I'd love to take advantage of my rig and 4K TV with this gorgeous game, but I need to be able to see the UI...

Try doing a forum search for 4K UI. Search terms with less than 3 characters are completely ignored. I had to use google, pointing to the forums to even find this thread.

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Originally Posted by Donoho

Try doing a forum search for 4K UI. Search terms with less than 3 characters are completely ignored. I had to use google, pointing to the forums to even find this thread.

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When you forum search via google, you should make sure to check the dates on the threads before replying. :3

Does the UI still looks blurry as hell when you change the value to anything except 100% ?? On my QHD monitor when I change it be it smaller or larger it gets too blurry.

damm, I can't even run the game at 1366x768 with 60 fps and there are already people complaining about 4k... lol
Anyway, I'm just curious but how many fps do you have with that resolution and if you're only using a 980, I want to save for a pc although I may only get it in 3 years... he

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Originally Posted by ZXSoru

damm, I can't even run the game at 1366x768 with 60 fps and there are already people complaining about 4k... lol
Anyway, I'm just curious but how many fps do you have with that resolution and if you're only using a 980, I want to save for a pc although I may only get it in 3 years... he

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I get consistent 60+ FPS with GTX980 SLI in 4k at Maximum settings. It's beautiful. I'm not sure how a single 980 performs under those conditions.

I have grown to deal with the smaller UI. Sometimes dialog boxes can be annoying to read but otherwise it functions fine, imo.

Well just cause 4k it out there doesn't mean SE has to support it, 4k is still a pretty small market.