BRD dps advice

Looking for some input regarding my dps. I think my dps is low on Phoenix and I'm hoping to improve before t13 progression.

DPS opening is as follows: Raging strikes - Bloodletter - Straight shot - Internal release - Windbite - B4B - Venomous bite - Barrage - Heavy shot - Hawk eye - heavy shot

If bloodletter procs, that is used immediately. Other off gcd abilities are used when able.

Normal dps priority: Bloodletter > Misery's End > Straight shot buff > Windbite Dot- Venomous bite dot > Heavy shot

Current attributes - no food
Dex 596
Crit 490
Det 330
Skill speed 427
Attack power 596
Stat priority: Acc to cap > Dex > Crit > Det > SS

On ACT dummy parse for 3 minutes I pulled 412 dps with cooldowns but not party, food buff, or potions.

If someone is able to tell me if this appropriate base dps for my stats I'd appreciate it. Otherwise maybe someone can give me advice if I'm doing something wrong. Help is appreciated since I know I need to do more dps to beat t13.

Howdy Tiva,

I believe that your dps priority list is just a little off. I think the straight shot buff is your highest priority ability. I also added in the auto crit straight shot as well
Straight shot buff > Bloodletter > Misery's End > Windbite Dot > Venomous bite dot > Straight Shot (if auto-crit) > Heavy shot
Also, make sure you are using repelling shot and flaming arrow. But be careful with repelling for the obvious reason ;)

Also, one note about your opening rotation. It is really important that you have internal release and blood for blood up before you cast your DoT's This is because of how DoT's work with buffs. When you use a DoT, the DoT attack damage is based on whatever buffs you had up at the time of cast. Meaning that if you use windbite before blood for blood, the windbite receives no damage bonus from blood for blood. This is important to remember because it also means that if you use windbite during the last 1 second of blood for blood, the damage bonus still affects the whole skill. This applies to internal release as well.

Im not sure about it but im i think bloodletter and misery's end should be separated. To me i goes like
GCD skills
Straight shot > Windbite/Venomous bite> Heavy shot. <<< This priority list makes sure all dots have crit on it so there'll be more blood letter procs

OFF GCD skills
Misery's end > Blood letter. <<< Reason being is Misery's end can only be used once enemy is below 20% hp. Most likely used once depending on dps so you wanna get it on CD as soon as possible

As for my normal rotation it's
(BFB) > Straight shot (Raging) > Veno (Internal) > Windbite (Blood letter) >Heavy shot (Hawk) > Heavy (barrage)
I know it sucks haha but this rotation makes sure my dots have both dmg up buff, both from straight shot and at least 1 from internal release so that I wont lose any dps from spamming buffs and get more procs on DOTs. Then i move on to using blood letter after i apply my dots to let it go on cd for my procs then followed by 2 other buffs.

Trying to post replies to things. Wondering why the h there is a character limit on posts? Its making it very hard to say everything I need to.

Tex Mex-

I think I may have been undervaluing the effect of B4B on dots. I'm wondering if either internal release or B4B is about to come off cd and my dots have just expired, is it better to reapply the dogs asap or wait a second for the cool downs to finish and use them first? This happened a few times tonight and I wasn't sure what to do.

I modified my opener to make it cast both b4b and internal release before I cast dots.

Thank you for feedback.

Blueskyy-

I think the priority of Bloodletter vs miserys end might also depend on what type of target youre facing. I was thinking about this tonight in t13. For example, if I'm finishing off a Bennu or a blackfire I prioritize miserys end more because like you said, I'll probably only get to cast it once before the thing dies, and if I don't get it off its a waste of dps. But on the big Benus or a boss I think I'd prioritize bloodletter over misery's end. Because of bloodletter procs. Bloodletter cannot proc unless its on cd. So I want to cast it asap. Many times bloodletter procs, I hit it immediately, and it immediately procs again. SO if I had casted misery's end instead of that first bloodletter in that situation I would have missed the second crit that led to the extra blooletter proc. I don't know that I'm right. I'm just trying to think about it logically.

The highest I parsed tonight on t13 was 385 with the stats I posted earlier plus party and apkallu omelet. I know my dps is being affected by bluefire but it seems low even for that.

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Originally Posted by Tiva

Tex Mex-

I think I may have been undervaluing the effect of B4B on dots. I'm wondering if either internal release or B4B is about to come off cd and my dots have just expired, is it better to reapply the dogs asap or wait a second for the cool downs to finish and use them first? This happened a few times tonight and I wasn't sure what to do.

I modified my opener to make it cast both b4b and internal release before I cast dots.

Thank you for feedback.

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Good question! I did not know the answer so i broke out the calculator and have figured it out.

So DoT damage only ticks every 3 seconds so both windbite and venomous bite tick 6 times (18/3).

Here are the total potencies of the attacks:
Standard:
WB = 60 + (45*6) = 330
VB = 100 + (35*6) = 310

With B4B on:
WB = 330*1.1 = 363
VB = 310*1.1 = 341

Assuming you only clip 1 DoT tick off:
Standard:
WB = 60 + (45*5) = 285
VB = 100 + (35*5) = 275

With B4B on:
WB = 285*1.1 = 313.5
VB = 275*1.1 = 302.5

So here is where it gets fun.

To get the dps effect, we have to consider time as well.

Assuming you are perfect with your clip, the clipped DoT duration is 15 seconds for the whole attack, while the standard is 18 seconds. Sooooo:

For VB
Going from a clipped B4B VB into another B4B VB = 302.5+341 = 643.5 total potency over (15+18 = 33 seconds). So pot/sec = 643.5/33 = 19.5
Going from a full B4B VB into a standard VB = 341+310 = 651 total potency over (18+18 = 36 seconds). So pot/sec = 651/36 = 18.1

The same calculation for WB shows:
clipped B4B WB into BFB WB = 20.5
B4B WB into standard WB = 19.3

Please also note that the dps increase of 1-1.5 potency per second is less than a 1% dps increase anyways, so we are really only talking about 3-4 dps difference anyways, which is pretty much negligible. These numbers also do not attempt to calculate for the potencies of the additional attacks you use while your DoT's are ticking, but I would bet that the end result is practically identical. The extra 3 seconds of non dot casting time you get by not clipping allows for a slightly higher potency heavy shot to be used there instead of something weaker, so there will be a small gain from that.

Sooooo final word:
Yes clipping your DoT 1 tick early to get in another B4B DoT is a slight dps increase, but it is incredibly marginal and only relates to a 3-4 dps increase

I very much have same rotation as Bluskyy. My crits are very nice when they happen, not blm nice but still good, lol
I would say do not let dots fall off, just like smn so i would re apply them
What is your accuracy atm?
For T13 you need over 500 acc
I am not yet in final coil so sorry i could not offer advice related to it

Hi Tiva, i think you opening rotation needs some more work, as well as your buff rotation. (These are the primary reasons why some bards are able to pull a lot more DPS then others)

For example, my opening rotation looks like this:

Raging Strikes/ Hawk's Eye > Bloodletter > Straight shot > Blood for Blood/Internal release > Windbite > Flaming arrow > Venomous bite > Barrage > Blunt arrow etc.
5 seconds before my Internal release ends i re-clip both of my dots to make sure they are reclipped again with all buffs still on.

This means you have a total of 30 seconds of buffed dots.


Buff rotation: NEVER use just Barrage without any of your other buffs. Clip atleast Hawk's eye & Blood for Blood with every usage of Barrage.

I'm easely pulling 450 DPS at 3 minutes without party buff/food/pots this way.

Bard has the lowest sustained. Our dps will continually drop the longer a fight goes on. We can start strong the first few minutes but lose about 20 dps about every 3 minutes past that.

here's my rotation:

off global cooldown order - bloodletter(reapply whenever available) > hawkeye > raging strikes > blood for blood > barrage
you weave these between global cooldowns. if you have a good ping you can insert 2-3 of these in every global cooldown. if misery's end and bloodletter are both available prioritize misery's end, but again if you have a good ping you can cast them both.

global cooldown priority - straight shot > windbite > venomous bite > heavy shot(filler)
once you have like 5-6 seconds left on hawkeye, reapply your dots. always prioritize your dots before anything else and clip them whenever a buff is about to expire(with the exception that straight shot is about to expire)

buff rotation after opener:
internal release
hawkeye + b4b + barrage
internal release + raging strikes

hope this helps

Rioszz-

I've made some adjustments to my opener as others metioned as well. I've always been casting barrage when its up, not waiting for another cd. I'll try it this way. THank you!

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Bard has the lowest sustained. Our dps will continually drop the longer a fight goes on. We can start strong the first few minutes but lose about 20 dps about every 3 minutes past that.

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Actually it drops due to songs, if not, it is quite "sustained" over long period of time because our moves aren't varied, we have no combos to alternate with, the only variable is crit hit and BL procs

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

Please also note that the dps increase of 1-1.5 potency per second is less than a 1% dps increase anyways, so we are really only talking about 3-4 dps difference anyways, which is pretty much negligible.

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3-4 dps difference is pretty decent amount of dmg over a 14mins fight. Ppl wouldn't have been using poison pots if they don't want that 3-4dps.

3 or 4 DPS can be the difference between an enrage wipe and a kill in early progression.