20 items is not enough to do anything creative. Why is this so ridiculously low? Why am I being punished for the stable, garden, and mini-aethryte?
I doubt anyone can even decorate for xmas with this limit.
Small House 20 item limit for Outdoors?!?!?
Printable View
-
12-23-2014, 12:21 AMRed_WolfSmall House 20 item limit for Outdoors?!?!?
-
12-23-2014, 12:54 AMNumenor1379
Easily doable, you just need to get creative... also, not having all those Primal trophies clogging up the lawn helps. =P
-
12-23-2014, 12:58 AMRed_WolfCan't even do the landscaping with 20 items. How could you possibly have trophies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
-
12-23-2014, 01:34 AMNumenor1379
I have my small house very nicely decorated with stables, aetheryte, garden, striking dummy, moogle box and xmas tree, plus my landscaping with 20 items. Go check my housing thread and you can see.
-
12-23-2014, 02:09 AMmdha02
I'd just like to be able to have more gardening plots. I have a medium house and two is not enough. Especially with the length of time it takes to grow things.
-
12-23-2014, 02:17 AMRed_WolfWell the inside of your house looks very nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
I'm used to a housing system with much more customization, object morphing, and item limits in the 1,000's. The 20 limit item for outdoor items seems like a penalty more than anything. -
12-23-2014, 02:26 AMEye_Gore1000's? Couldn't even fit 100 on a small plot, may as well hang a sign out front: Sanford and Son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
http://www.legaljuice.com/files/2014...lvage-yard.jpg -
12-23-2014, 02:33 AMRed_WolfDifferent game and all, but yeah easily. With object morphing and larger spaces we easily hit the cap. I think you'd be surprised how little 100 items can look like in ffxiv if done properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
-
12-23-2014, 02:40 AMEye_GoreMaybe up it to 30, got 20 on my lot and it feels too cluttered as it is. Some of the items are huge, one of my neighbors has some kind of fountain out there takes up half the yard. It would just look like a pit if there were more items allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-23-2014, 03:36 AMRed_Wolf
I really didn't expect all this closed-mindness. 20 is a ridiculously low number. I can guarantee both of you have hit the limit, but are just telling me to deal with it because you have or haven't seen housing outside of FFXIV. Has anyone even decorated for Xmas? You probably can't because you don't have any room left. Sheesh...
It's a simple bump up on item limit. I'll bet I could make 50-100 items look less cluttered than most people's 20. If people want to clutter up their yard then so be it. It is not for me to judge. But I think there will be a lot more creative and festive houses in the neighborhood. Didn't any of you do housing in EQ2, Rift, or ArcheAge? -
12-23-2014, 04:27 AMNumenor1379
Twenty is fine dude... Just because you want to have every inch of ground covered does not mean that more is better. You are seriously over estimating the amount of space you have as well as the number of unique objects that are available for placing outside. What do you want to do? Tile your entire lawn? O_o
-
12-23-2014, 04:41 AMRed_WolfWhat if I did... my house...Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
Am I really being trolled over this stupid limit? Unless there is someone on this housing forum who has not capped their outdoor item limit then I don't see how this is even a debate. I don't know how it's even possible to be under the limit. It should have been changed a long time ago. -
12-23-2014, 04:55 AMShneibelmy medium is double of your in size and I only have 10 more items, and I can tell you it is possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-23-2014, 05:00 AMXysticWe have about 10 main items to decorate our large lot. 30 of the other items, are just for trolling =d.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
-
12-23-2014, 05:06 AMNumenor1379
I could easily be at 18. Seriously dude, have you really tried plotting out how you could place 50-100 items on a small plot? There is no way you could do it without the yard looking like a klepto's house with junk everywhere unless you either tiled the lawn, or stuck a bunch of bushes inside each other.
I have no issues with raising the limit a bit (perhaps make amenities not count?) but 50-100 is waaaaayyyy too much. -
12-23-2014, 05:10 AMShneibeland I belive your large is even bigger than the medium with only like 10 more items :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xystic
-
12-23-2014, 05:38 AMRed_WolfAll you needed to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
Also, a lot of you are assuming I want to place 50 large fountains in the yard. Come to your senses. There are a lot of smaller items that can be used outside. 20+ items <> junkyard. -
12-23-2014, 05:39 AMEye_GoreI have hit the limit, in fact I'm over the limit. I do have a snowman and a Sentinel out there, thats good enough for me. i don't even decorate my real house. I could keep decorating but what for? The only one who see's it is me. Maybe a random person who is really bored walking through the Sub-division of district 6 in the Goblet, there's only 5 give or take, houses up in there anyways, everything else is empty. Its really no big deal to me. Just didn't think I needed 100 items out there. I can get 100 in my house and its smaller than the yard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
You're going to get people's opinions when you post here, some may agree some may disagree. It's no reason to jump all over the people who disagree with new, it's nothing personal, just an opinion. I see you're in my server, swing on by and you'll see my tree and snowman. -
12-23-2014, 06:21 AMRed_WolfYou compared my house to a junkyard :p Now you admit you're at the cap yourself. This is what I don't understand. Everyone is at the cap and just deals with it for fear of how their neighbor's yard would look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
-
12-23-2014, 06:30 AMEye_GoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
How is that comparing your yard to a junk yard? Its implying that if you had 1000's of items on a small plot it would look like a junk yard? I don't see anywhere in this comment that says your yard is a junk yard. Also I never said I wasn't at the cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-23-2014, 06:39 AMRed_WolfBy saying I might as well hang a Sandford and Son sign in front of it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
I'm not trying to argue. Just saying we're going from not having any room to decorate for xmas or adding little things beyond landscaping to OMG!!! you won't have any room and you'll be living in a junkyard. I think we're going a little overboard here. -
12-23-2014, 06:41 AMEye_Gorehttp://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2014/09/...61c58c1d6a.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-23-2014, 07:04 AMRed_Wolf
Careful, there might be a facepalm limit of 2. Anything over that is just a cluttered mess.
-
12-23-2014, 07:29 AMEspritduo
I agree, 20 items is way too low for small. 40 items is way too low for large. I've had a small, and I have a medium and a large now...and I never am able to even begin to do what I want to do with my yards. I am creative, and I like making combination pieces. I could easily use 20 pieces to just make *one* object in my yard if I wanted to. Making things like pathways, walls, fences, hedge rows and things of that nature also takes up an enormous amount of items without taking up hardly any space, so yes 20-40 is just too low. 50 for a small, 75 for a medium and 100 for a large would be perfect.
And yes, if you're just going to take 20 separate medium-sized objects and throw them about your yard, it will fill it up. If you actually want to experiment, try creative combinations, create something really artistic and fancy...you're out of luck on all three sizes. Yes, minimalist is an art form, but it shouldn't be the only art form we're allowed to experiment with. -
12-23-2014, 10:38 AMViolyre
Either I'm just not decorative enough, or I'm awesome at my needs, I know I have less than 20. :D I didn't really need too much for my perfect little slice of heaven.
-
12-23-2014, 04:23 PMAustherus
It's about picking the right items. I do think that we should get a few more slots specifically for small items as I have been forced to avoid them or have an empty yard (also, mansions need more slots inside, 200 is not enough for so much space).
I have to say though that I understand some of the restrictions SE has put in place and respect them for that. Too much freedom just means people exploting the system "for the lolz", if you are serious about making your house look good you will find a way. -
12-23-2014, 09:52 PMKio
Honestly, the item limits need to be increased for both indoor and outdoor for all the plots, not just small.
-
12-23-2014, 11:37 PMRed_WolfVery well said! 20 items outside is like putting a rug in a room and calling it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Espritduo
-
12-23-2014, 11:50 PMScy
I agree with both sides. Personally yeah I'd like to have more slots. Even 10 more would be nice. Mostly to use on little stuff or enhancing some of the bigger items or focal points. . At the same time though we got creative with our 20 slots and have a pretty nice little yard that's not cluttered but not empty either. Just have to make thebest of what you have. Real creativity isn't always having no boundaries, but rather utilizing what you have within the boundries given and making something great.
-
12-24-2014, 04:52 AMNumenor1379Only for someone obsessed with cramming more and more items in. A few more slots would be fine, but saying twenty is barren is bullshit and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-24-2014, 05:06 AMKiyyto
I agree with you completely, but I'm surprised at your reaction to the negative comments... Haven't you ever done a DF?
Troll is a playable class in FFXIV.
Of course 20 is way too low. The only people who think it isn't are people who don't give a damn about decorating their houses. I use half that max just setting up a walk way, my mailbox, and my fence. It leaves no room to even put a tree up if you've got a stable and a seasonal item you can forget about adding a planter or any small stuff that would beautify the plot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-24-2014, 05:13 AMRed_WolfIt's not even really 20 slots after putting in the basics. One stable, one garden, one aethryte, minimum of 2 lamps (cause it's freaking dark in housing zones). That gives you 15 items for aesthetics. That's barren. We had to cut back on even the landscaping to stay under the cap. With a snowman, tree, and presents we're down to 12 slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
You may like having a boring yard but I don't. Having item space for tables and chairs alone would be nice. -
12-24-2014, 05:25 AMRed_WolfI know... I'm new. Turned 50 maybe a month ago. I was told there are some SE fanboys in this game that will defend all Dev decisions tooth and nail but I thought this change was a no-brainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiyyto
I'm shocked that people who are at the cap and have had to gimp themselves to stay under it would argue that the cap is a good thing. And the argument I heard the most is that they don't want their neighbor's yard to look like cluttered. Like I joined FFXIV to be in a Home Owner's Association or something. To each their own and stop worrying about your neighbors. I'm sure they can make their yard look like crap with the 20 item spaces they have.
I'm fairly certain the cap was implemented when there were far less items available and to encourage people to buy larger houses. It is time to revisit the item limits and give us some creative freedom. -
12-24-2014, 05:31 AMShneibel12 slots are plenty, for some Latices, benches and 1 table, most of the small house use around 3-4 step stones to go from entrance to the front door. If you skip the mini aetheryte (I don't use it myself), you can put one more item, the mini aetheryte is not really need item, good to have but good to skip as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-24-2014, 05:41 AMRed_Wolf:( I couldn't disagree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
We ended up going with the mini-atheryte because it essentially gives you two free gates. I can set my home aethryte to a different city (Ul'dah) and port back to Mist (for Lominsa) incredibly cheap. I'm sure it saves me at least a thousand gil a night when I'm constantly running out to level alt classes, gathering leves, etc... At home I'm either crafting or waiting for FL queues. I think it's worth the item slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
-
12-24-2014, 06:01 AMBrynne
I'm in favor of this. I want lots of freedom if new seasonal decorations are out. Also, furniture combinations make this a bit of a no-brainer - why hinder player creativity? Even just an increase to 25 would alleviate some of that pressure on the small house yards.
-
12-24-2014, 06:44 AMMomomiMomiExcept that large houses need an increase in the item limit far more than smalls do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-24-2014, 07:20 AMShneibelthe mini aetheryte is not really free, it still cost you but cost you less. With security token (I dont know if you use) you can have 1 free port (truely free), another free port is return, and you can set 3 favourite port, so what I did is use the security token free port at the city where I have my house (LL), return in grid, favour 1. mor dhona, 2 coerthas, 3 in uldah. The reasons I don't use the mini aetheryte is because it is not really a free port (it work like a favourite point) and it is a hard to place piece, back when I had my small house I have trouble to place it to a place to make it look good,and now I have the medium, I prefer not to have it at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
-
12-24-2014, 08:49 AMTeryaaniSeriously? My FC and personal house look good at 20, but I certainly wouldn't say no to 10 more item slots. 12 sounds pretty sparse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
Especially inside. I've seen a few that are pretty threadbare. The small's interior number seems pretty good to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
-
12-24-2014, 09:06 AMShneibelno, I mean 12 item slots left are plenty not 12 more slots, if you read from page 1, I believe I keep say 20 item limits are enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teryaani