Is there going to be Fcob (savage)?

Is there going to be Fcob (savage)?

There's be no discussion of one, unfortunately. Even the 2.5 live letter today didn't mention any.

Thats...concerning. Was looking forward to it.

Thanks Yoshi-P for giving us i130 gear and i135 weapons we have absolutely no use for other than farming content we've been doing for months more easily every week.

Would be nice to get a Savage mode of both Binding and Final. Honestly, would also be nice to have Savage versions of the three Crystal Towers that were like legit raids. That can wait until you can queue as an alliance, though. (lol)

You can queue as an alliance though.

I really do hope we get Savage again since it was a lot of fun.

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Originally Posted by Inkin

Thanks Yoshi-P for giving us i130 gear and i135 weapons we have absolutely no use for other than farming content we've been doing for months more easily every week.

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that's what happens when players raid solely for the loot. They then come to complain there is nothing to do with it.

But god forbid they dare to give the same ilevel for people who don't raid, people who don't raid have no right to have shiny gear they have no use for either :rolleyes:
/sarcasm off

sometimes I really wonder what happened to the old days of MMO, when people were happy to play together instead of just collecting loot then complaining there is nothing to do with it.

Or..... maybe you could consider that your i130/135 gear will give you a nice lead for the expansion, not requiring to change gear for the first levels and having a good lead to start Alexander. Just like i110/115 gear was serving no other purpose than giving you a head start into FCoB.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

that's what happens when players raid solely for the loot. They then come to complain there is nothing to do with it.

Or..... maybe you could consider that your i130/135 gear will give you a nice lead for the expansion, not requiring to change gear for the first levels and having a good lead to start Alexander. Just like i110/115 gear was serving no other purpose than giving you a head start into FCoB.

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I think he was implying that there really isn't a point to FCoB gear if we're not going to use it to progress in content that isn't already on farm. I strongly doubt that i130 gear will give aanyone any kind of "edge" in 3.0 considering it will most likely by replaced by the time we are 52. No one will be using i130 gear to step in to Alexander. So yes. His concern is valid.

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Originally Posted by Vena_Sera

I think he was implying that there really isn't a point to FCoB gear if we're not going to use it to progress in content that isn't already on farm. I strongly doubt that i130 gear will give aanyone any kind of "edge" in 3.0 considering it will most likely by replaced by the time we are 52. No one will be using i130 gear to step in to Alexander. So yes. His concern is valid.

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DL was the best gear available in 1.0 (as far as I know) and was the stepping stone (read here : bare minimum) for BCoB(yes you can go far with i60ish gear, but not while knowing nothing, that's the point). Unless they really throw everything out of the window (I never experimented vertical progression games' extensions), they might do like they did for 1.0 => 2.0 and i130 will be the bare minimum to go into alexander blindly

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

that's what happens when players raid solely for the loot. They then come to complain there is nothing to do with it.

But god forbid they dare to give the same ilevel for people who don't raid, people who don't raid have no right to have shiny gear they have no use for either :rolleyes:
/sarcasm off

sometimes I really wonder what happened to the old days of MMO, when people were happy to play together instead of just collecting loot then complaining there is nothing to do with it.

Or..... maybe you could consider that your i130/135 gear will give you a nice lead for the expansion, not requiring to change gear for the first levels and having a good lead to start Alexander. Just like i110/115 gear was serving no other purpose than giving you a head start into FCoB.

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This thread is not for a Poetics Prince/Princess like you who has not even cleared T9.

You do realize that the entire point of Savage is for fun and to give groups that have everything on farm something new and challenging to do, right? No, of course you wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

This thread is not for a Poetics Prince/Princess like you who has not even cleared T9.

You do realize that the entire point of Savage is for fun and to give groups that have everything on farm something new and challenging to do, right? No, of course you wouldn't.

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Oh my, one has been hurt in their feelings.

You do realize even in the little part that "won" over Coil, only a few ever went in Savage mode because no shiny to show for your victory ? I am well aware than a few people seek a challenge, and find it fun. I am of those. But I do not forget that us people are part of the past and that nowadays raiders do not seek the challenge but the rewards. The raid gave them that. And now they complain that it has no use. Well of course, you've beaten the last boss. Mind blowing logic if you ask me.

Now about Savage itself. I believe they'll release it at some point, just like they did for SCoB. I'm sure they're just waiting that more than the elite few has cleared FCoB for more people attempting it, if they even try to do it. Or they finally tested the savage mode and found it straight impossible to clear with current gear. Who knows ? Not me.


About your petty attack : How does not having cleared T9 yet prevents me from having an opinion ? You do not know me. You make assumptions to try and take me down without having to even go into what I said.
So let me get this straight for you so you stop being the arrogant elitist bad guy/gal here and so you can go back to something somehow constructive :

I did not clear T9. Right.
On the other hand, did I try it ? Yes, twice. 2 hours each time. Have you cleared T9 in 4 hours of training ? I don't think so. Will I clear T9 any time soon ? Probably when my group gets to work on it again, after the holidays. We reached P3, nearly in P4, and are working on having a clear P3. So what ? Do we not deserve to step in FCoB or SCoB savage when we get there because we didn't get a clear before echo ? If so, why aren't the accesses for both not removed from the game at this point ?

But you've been digging, you might also have seen that I got T1-4 before their echo, T5 right after, and then... nothing ? something fishy here maybe ?
Sorry that I had to stop raiding for months because personal matters. It's nice seeing that this puts me in the "Poetic prince/princess" category that should just shut up because they're scrubs who can't raid.

Right. So long, thin skin arrogant person, I might have to talk with grown up people around you in the future so don't resent me for doing so.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

Only a few went in because the developers thought it'd be a GREAT idea to make it share the lock-out with the existing SCoB at the time.

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that isn't the only reason and we all know it. Else people would have gone there when lock out disappeared. Yet most if not almost all didn't

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

only a few ever went in Savage mode because no shiny to show for your victory ?

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Only a few went in because the developers thought it'd be a GREAT idea to make it share the lock-out with the existing SCoB at the time.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

that isn't the only reason and we all know it. Else people would have gone there when lock out disappeared. Yet most if not almost all didn't

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Because a new raid came out? Just go home dude the adults are talking.

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that's what happens when players raid solely for the loot. They then come to complain there is nothing to do with it.

But god forbid they dare to give the same ilevel for people who don't raid, people who don't raid have no right to have shiny gear they have no use for either
/sarcasm off

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This is a logical fallacy, to put it quite simply. One does not correlate to the other. Think about it some more and then respond if you wish.

P.S. Excellent assumption you've made about all raiders, when you're upset that someone made assumptions about you. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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Originally Posted by Asherek

This is a logical fallacy, to put it quite simply. One does not correlate to the other. Think about it some more and then respond if you wish.

P.S. Excellent assumption you've made about all raiders, when you're upset that someone made assumptions about you. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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I will assume that you're talking about the last part of the quote, because nothing in the first part is related to your comment. People raiding only for the loot will complain because now their loot has no use. Which makes sense because they've beaten the last boss for the moment, and their gear has no use until a new tier comes out. People raiding for the challenge have little to no complains about having big gear (or rather, "should have") as the challenge in FFxiv's fights is mostly unrelated to gearing up. You need some basic gear to meet dps/hp checks but other than that you're fine. Most of the fights are only mechanics and once beaten, there isn't any challenge left until a new raid OR a savage mode come.

SO, my first part was about a player complaining for the lack of use of the gear, making it imo quite accurate. I could be wrong, but not by that much.




As for the 2nd part, with the /sarcasm put here in order to avoid being taken seriously, it was a petty poke to some raiders who want to be on top of the mountain alone. There were countless threads during 2.0-2.2 era where raiders were whining that non raiders had the same ilevel than them, then starting from 2.2 threads from non -raiders complaining about the change of the system (introduction of sands/oils) where a few elitist players (Ellatrix among them, who is know to be a "stop being bad you got no right to complain" type of person) were constantly bashing other players just because "non raiders shouldn't have i110 gear".
I won't go again in the argument, nothing good can come out of it, but I find it really funny that now raiders complain that they have nothing to do with their gear they wanted exclusive to themselves. Hence the sarcasm.