The Future of Gathering: An Exciting Vision!

Here are 3 (long term) suggestions, which could help the gathering classes being more important, interesting and fun. :)

Introduction

I think it would be great if gatherers would get rare and exciting items they can look forward to obtain. The feeling would be similar to the FFXI NM itemhunt, where you need days or weeks to obtain one single item, but the big difference would be, that the time is not lost. You would get it through your usual gathering routine or by (which is a lot more fun ^^) adventuring/travelling.
So the basic idea is to give gathering classes additionally the same type of loot that DoW and DoM classes get.
It is somewhat strange that you need a fighting class to gather the most important materials for your high level gear. I'm talking about your Ahriman Wings, Mosshorn Scales and Great Buffalo Horns.
So the first idea is:

1. Give Gatheres some exclusive items, for high rank gear.
I think of specific spots, which randomly appear or simply usual spots where you can obtain gathering-exclusive material (with a small percentage of course).

For Example:
Miners could get (with a little luck and time) a rare Ore, which can be crafted into a unique Cuirass.
Botanists could get a rare wood, which can be crafted into a unique Bow.

2. Treasure Chests with Equipment and Gil
Think of it like that. Someone stole money and hid it in a rock. Someone crafted a unique gear and hid it in a three.
You would get the chance (of course with a reasonable chance) to optain this kind of loot too.

It would also be a very good way to introduce Rare/Ex Gathering Equipment. For higher ranks, but also for middle range ranks. Why should fighting classes be the only one with sweat rare/ex gear. ? ;)

3. Introducing special Gathering Locations
The Miners have already Mines. It would be great so see activitees to focus more on these. Well, because it simply makes more sense and you feel more like a real miner.

Gatherers could get special forests. Areas with lot of tress, where they also can feel more like a Botanist.

Introducing the rare loot can be a great motivation to visit these special locations.

Finishing Thoughts
I personally see great potential in the gathering classes. They could be a wonderful treasure hunting class, where you need to search the land, cross deserts, oceans and mountains, just to obtain the one single item you are looking for weeks.

This is my exiting vision of the future of gathering classes.

1. vintage kite shield +3 not enough unique and rare for you?
2. no, thanks
3. no, i wanna use botanists skills for gather lumber from Mines. i seen many good lumber there in Nanawa Mines.

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Originally Posted by nORbDragon

1. vintage kite shield +3 not enough unique and rare for you?
2. no, thanks
3. no, i wanna use botanists skills for gather lumber from Mines. i seen many good lumber there in Nanawa Mines.

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Not sure if irony or didn't get it.

you are just don't know anything about crafting and gathering, if you can't understand my irony... =)

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Originally Posted by nORbDragon

you are just don't know anything about crafting and gathering, if you can't understand my irony... =)

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I hesitated because it had little to nothing to do with my suggestions. That's why.

I assume he meant the support beams, but not really that funny.

I agree that DoL should get exclusive items, but soon that will be the case with the materia catalyst, assuming there will be more than one kind.
I am not sure about the treasure chest idea as its not much of a hiding place in most trees. it would of course work for fishing but hiding a chest inside a rock face would be mighty tricky XD. But I do want rare/ex gear im just not sure if this is the best way.
I would like to see an instanced area, like the area outside the botanist guild for trees and such, a sort of sancuary, or mines you need to be rank 50 before being able to go in for example, would be quite nice.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

I would like to see an instanced area, like the area outside the botanist guild for trees and such, a sort of sancuary, or mines you need to be rank 50 before being able to go in for example, would be quite nice.

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I would like that, too. :)
The meaning of the "treasure chest" is to mix it up btw. I know it doesn't make perfect sense, but we get treasure chests from leves and now in the fields.

I just want something exciting to happen while i'm gathering, because it is really boring now.
I would understand that they don't see a big need of change here, if DoL was a hobby, but it is a class and I like it, that they want crafters and gatherers be a class on their on, where you can enjoy a similar fun compared to fighting classes.

if something is boring for you then don't do that, ignore! it is easy? easy, i think... and don't ask for break something just for you, what was nice and fun for others, mate... crafting is boring? ignore craft, don't craft! gathering? also! don't compare fighting classes with foragers and crafters, they different and must be different...

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Originally Posted by nORbDragon

if something is boring for you then don't do that, ignore! it is easy?

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Thats some attitude. ^^
But you won't honestly tell me that gathering is an exciting and fun activite at the moment.
And I really struggle to understand your logic. How can "ignore if you don't like it" be the motto of this game and this forum. Well, you must have your reason.

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easy, i think... and don't ask for break something just for you, what was nice and fun for others, mate...

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How are my ideas making things worse? Gathering would be 99% of the time the same gathering as it is now. It is just an addition, not a core change of the whole idea.

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crafting is boring? ignore craft, don't craft! gathering? also!

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I am ignoring them (in the game). ^^
It is a shame though, because there is huge potential in crafts and in gathering.

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don't compare fighting classes with foragers and crafters, they different and must be different...

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Why?
(Especially when FFXIV obviously intended crafters and gatherers to play a more important role).
And I'm not saying gathering should be as important as fighting, btw. But it doesn't hurt, if they get some exciting stuff, similar to fighting classes.

you do not like cats?
you just do not know how to cook them!
(c)

well I do actually really enjoy gathering at the moment, so nice and relaxing.

But I think exclusive gathered items and exclusive areas isn't changing the system as Jabo pointed out, its adding to the system thats already there people who liked gathering like me, will still like it because nothing would have changed from adding these features

exclusive gathered items like mahogany logs +3 and siltstone +3 is not exclusive for you?.. fine, give me two stacks of them and i will agree with you! xD

I wanna fish up some gear, maybe gear that needs to be fixed with x items, but yeah, something you only can get that way :P

there are almost no recipes for siltstone or mahogany to be useful (A mid rank tool and weapon is not exactly in huge demands of +3's) so an exclusive +3 version I would say no I do not think this as exclusive I call exclusive the entire item is exclusive, right down to the base item.

As I mentioned what is exclusive will be the materia catalyst which will be DoL exclusive. I have no idea how broad or rare they will be so will reserve judgement until I gather some.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

there are almost no recipes for siltstone or mahogany to be useful (A mid rank tool and weapon is not exactly in huge demands of +3's) so an exclusive +3 version I would say no I do not think this as exclusive I call exclusive the entire item is exclusive, right down to the base item.

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sure, mid rank tools and weapons:
Vintage Kite Shield
Champion's Lance
Vintage Guisarme

so, where is my mahogany logs and siltstone +3 from you?.. =)

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Originally Posted by nORbDragon

sure, mid rank tools and weapons:
Vintage Kite Shield
Champion's Lance
Vintage Guisarme

so, where is my mahogany logs and siltstone +3 from you?.. =)

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So it wasn't irony after all and you really just didn't get it.

how i says before: "you are just don't know anything about crafting and gathering"... 8)

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Originally Posted by nORbDragon

how i says before: "you are just don't know anything about crafting and gathering"... 8)

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I know that you need +3 stuff for quality and that certain "+3" items are rare, but it doesn't change the fact that you didn't get what i was talking about and that all the stuff you are writing ever since had nothing to do with my suggestions.

fair enough, i still dont call it exclusive items. since you can get siltstones from uraeus.

and mahogany logs, although not hq i dont think, havnt got anyway from some leves and quests. fishing probably has a few more exclusive items, dont think you get all types of fish from quests and mobs

I was hoping that Botany would be easier in the Twelveswood even if.i had to suffer greenswrath or woodsin. But it feels lesser straight forward right now.

I suppose the catalyst items will be an exclusive gathering item, but I think I see what you mean. Mining a rare Unobtainium Ore, perhaps it even has Unique status. And this item would in turn make a Unique item. Similar to the Vintage gear, but instead of the rotten, battered, blunt item being the rare piece, it's something found from gathering.

Haven't gathered enough to know if there's hidden caches stored in a tree hole, buried under the roots, or tied around a branch high up in the tree. Or if fishers find small chests from sunken ships or some weathered untradable moccasins. Etc.

Rare items are definitely needed. Gathering is fast becoming worthless as markets are flooded with the over-supply of materials that the game is currently producing. I'm all for cutting supply such as limiting all logs to be one per gather, same with ores and fish. But additionally we need those rare ores and logs that you might only obtain on average once per 10 hours of gathering time. They will always be valuable as long as the finished items are useful.

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Originally Posted by nORbDragon

sure, mid rank tools and weapons:
Vintage Kite Shield
Champion's Lance
Vintage Guisarme

so, where is my mahogany logs and siltstone +3 from you?.. =)

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Sitting on my retainer rotting away along with every other +2 or +3 gathered item that I have not crafted myself. People expect these +3 mahogany logs etc. for the same price as NQs and refuse to pay what they're worth, therefore I'm not retarded enough to cave in and sell to these people.

I've made two Vintage Kite Shield +2s and neither time did I need +3 mahogany or siltstone. Twice I have crafted +3 mahogany lumber rather quickly with NQ logs. Of course this is why people won't pay extra for HQ logs but you still aren't getting mine at NQ prices. Those people selling their +3 logs and ores for NQ prices will be kicking themselves when tweaks are made to the crafting system.

Currently teasing people on my server with +3 mahogany branches at 100k gil each for their Barbarians Bardiches. They either pay what they're worth or they can farm their own and I'll use them some day when I can profit off them myself. These things don't grow on trees. Oh wait...

Don't worry, gatherers will get NM and rare style items, just as soon as they run low on things to give DoW, DoM and DoHs. ;)