making leveling CNJ less painful?

SO! I started working on the SCH job and so far I find it really fun. Still trying out different strategies here and there. But, my cnj is at the minimum level right now... and I just don't want to level it anymore. I think it's extremely boring and I found it a chore getting up to 15. It's really the reason I chose sch over whm.

Obviously the crossclass skills are invaluable, especially stoneskin (or, at least, thats the feeling I get), so just need to suck it up and level, right?

Is there any way of making leveling this less boring? I usually do hunting log entries ASAP, and I was doing guildhests and leves... and I did Sastasha once.....Ugh.

Any advice?

Now that you're 15, get to 16. Then spamm the DF for the top two or three dungeons you have access to until 50. I got 1-50 in 4 days on 3% food, doing that.

But no. It's gonna be a bit boring.

Stoneskin actually isn't THAT important (EDIT: For SCH). Since its only 10% and you probably won't use it that often during battle.

I just got Stoneskin for my SCH like an hour ago (Different player/character than the one who plays the one shown as avatar) and while it was slow, and tedious at points, its actually really easy. CNJ/WHM are really good at soloing and since you are always a healer you get into DF easily. I found getting THM to 26 much more boring and tedious but Swiftcast is just too good.

I avoid doing Sastasha, the dungeon is too long and boring in my opinion. It'll take time, but it all comes down to you. Do you want Stoneskin? If not, its not that big of a deal (some tanks get pissy but most don't care/PLD can also have it) and you can always get it later.

If you dislike the class there's not a lot you can do to make leveling it more fun. It's something I think most everyone runs into when leveling a job for cross class abilities.

I'm leveling it right now also, and sure enough it is not fun. Just have to bite the bullet and do it. I think leveling anything but your main just becomes a chore, mining and botanist was just a mind numbing blur to get to 50, this is no exception. I don't even know why I'm leveling it. I guess because I started to for the PLD, but what a drag. So I have no advice, just feeling the pain.

Stoneskin might not seem like a big deal to get, as it's only 10%, but it's a 10% of mitigation and that's the name of the game as SCH. It's like saying we don't need protect since we don't get proshell. Get it. It's nice to know I can throw SS on DPS and not worry about succor every thirty seconds.

Yeah, not a fan of WHM either, but if you are planning on raiding in the future, level it to 50. Most statics want a healer who can swap depending on coil turns or if your regular healing partner drops out.

I've gotta say. I didn't think I would but I really really enjoy levelling my cnj - at level 27 and can't wait to hit 30, grind out arcanist and open up Whm. I love jumping into DF And I especially love doing primals, admittedly for no reward unless it comes up in roulette. Enjoyed getting my drg to 50 but have to say I'm loving my healer role more. A good amount of responsibility in dungeons without having to take on the task of tanking.

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

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Actually no, it is nothing like saying that. Protect is a completely different ability that lasts 30mins and won't be canceled by damage, applies to the whole party, reduces physical damage received instead of absorbing an amount, and is learned at a MUCH earlier level.

SS is good, but really if someone doesn't want to level CNJ to 34, its not like they are hurting them selves by much or making things that much harder on them. In higher level content (when it is actually useful) you'll either be alone and it could be helpful (but not super important) or you'll be with another healer who may also have it or be a WHM.

There is really no way that I can see it being a GET IT spell like Swiftcast or CS. And I think you mean Adlo not Succor. Though you should be Adlo'ing (before fight) anyway, as the shield will stack with SS. (EDIT: Oops. hought he was talking about Tanks. Lol Fail.)

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone (keep them coming ;-) ). I have no idea if I want to raid yet. I've been raiding with my.main, brd, and it's all right but I have no static (I'm okay with that since I can't have a set play time ever anyway ). I suppose for now I'll take a break with it and level more slowly..

I switched to WHM after maining MNK for a good while and all I can say is run dungeons, be it to grab a cross-class or to the cap. As a healer the DF will pop much faster and dungeon EXP is in many cases the fastest way to level, barring you end up in a run with a bunch of incompetent slowpokes.

In a raid environment, especially when it comes to progression, stoneskin is very important since it stacks with the galvanize effect and can be used to block certain debuffs.

But if you're just running dungeons, hunting or digging for treasure maps stoneskin isn't important at all as most of that content lack SS-relevant mechanics.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Actually no, it is nothing like saying that. Protect is a completely different ability that lasts 30mins and won't be canceled by damage, applies to the whole party, reduces physical damage received instead of absorbing an amount, and is learned at a MUCH earlier level.

SS is good, but really if someone doesn't want to level CNJ to 34, its not like they are hurting them selves by much or making things that much harder on them. In higher level content (when it is actually useful) you'll either be alone and it could be helpful (but not super important) or you'll be with another healer who may also have it or be a WHM.

There is really no way that I can see it being a GET IT spell like Swiftcast or CS. And I think you mean Adlo not Succor. Though you should be Adlo'ing (before fight) anyway, as the shield will stack with SS.

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Actually stoneskin is needed on sch if you raid as that class. When my raid group was pushing t9, if i wasnt stoneskinning members of the team and using sch shields on top of the SS for megaflare, then i was doing something very wrong :). So for raids (and raids alone) you could perhaps class stoneskin on scholar as a must.
However, if you have no intention to raid on sch, its not needed really

More over, if you want to raid on sch, it is very useful to have first hand experience as whm to know how you healing partner in the raid can handle mechanics on their class.

TL;DR Stoneskin on scholar, get it to raid. Raiding on sch, also get experience using whm @ 50 :). Not raiding on sch, do what suits you in regards to stoneskin. :).

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

More over, if you want to raid on sch, it is very useful to have first hand experience as whm to know how you healing partner in the raid can handle mechanics on their class.

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This is a nice point to make. I feel like my healing game gained a lot from learning each healer, as well as getting some tanking experience. It's good to be able to predict what your fellow healer will do, and you'll need to experience the white mage toolkit to see just where it stands strong and where it's weak points are.

As far as leveling, once you get to brayflox, you'll start experiencing challenges as white mages that may be different from your experience as scholar. You'll learn mp management and hate management, and conjurer/white mage should get a bit less tedious for you. Each class is a very different animal, and I enjoy both of them very much. The initial lack of healing challenge as well as the simplicity of white mage early on is a tedious start, but give it time and hopefully it will grow on you some.

1-32 on CNJ/WHM is basically "Cure" "Cure" "Cure" etc etc, lol. Then you hit Brayflox and realise there is so much more to it than that. I would say stick with it, and try to vary what you do to level so you don't burn out on content.

Join the fate train and just level tht way if u just want whm for stoneskin. Dungeons will make u zzzzz so just be a zombie and go do fates!

I found it the opposite. Dungeons are the fasted way I've found to level. Arcanist was a nightmare to level because of the DPS queue. I was either doing fates that were too high or too low for me or leves that were painfully slow EXP. I ended up bribing tanks to queue with me for the last few levels. On CNJ I could have my almost instant healer queue from the beginning. IMO there's no way to make any class less boring at low levels, but CNJ levels way faster for me.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Join the fate train and just level tht way if u just want whm for stoneskin. Dungeons will make u zzzzz so just be a zombie and go do fates!

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At least you have to actually pay attention. At low levels a scholar can just lock on to the tank, turn on autorun and go AFK while the fairy heals.

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Originally Posted by Vorpal_Spork

At low levels a scholar can just lock on to the tank, turn on autorun and go AFK while the fairy heals.

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If you pay $12/mo for that, you may as well go shoot into a cave for $0/mo.

Honestly I found leveling Arcanist a lot harder than leveling Conjurer, and I purposely left quests aside for all of the DoM classes so I wouldn't have too slow of a leveling rate. But it takes until Level 30 to actually make getting into dungeons worth it, since it does take so long until then. But as others said in this, it definitely helps. Conjurer and Scholar both play very differently, and the way you approach things differs a lot. I honestly think it gets more fun once you start getting into dungeons myself, since those are where you'll get better EXP. If you find it slow just get used to switching between DPS and healing, picks things up and it's good to know for later on.

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Originally Posted by Vorpal_Spork

I found it the opposite. Dungeons are the fasted way I've found to level. Arcanist was a nightmare to level because of the DPS queue. I was either doing fates that were too high or too low for me or leves that were painfully slow EXP. I ended up bribing tanks to queue with me for the last few levels. On CNJ I could have my almost instant healer queue from the beginning. IMO there's no way to make any class less boring at low levels, but CNJ levels way faster for me.


At least you have to actually pay attention. At low levels a scholar can just lock on to the tank, turn on autorun and go AFK while the fairy heals.

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That is... If the tank can dodge aoes and use defensive cds lol. If not, everyone is gonna have a bad time.

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Originally Posted by radioactive_lego

If you pay $12/mo for that, you may as well go shoot into a cave for $0/mo.

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I don't. I don't recommend doing it either. I was just saying conjurer is more fun than scholar at low levels since scholar doesn't even require the player at all. And yes I agree Destiny sucks giant horse dongs.

If your fairy can handle all of the healing then you're just spending your time applying damage as a Scholar instead. Depends entirely on the group, the dungeon, things like that, but that doesn't change between Scholar/White Mage really, just the ease with which it can be done.

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Originally Posted by Mirron

If your fairy can handle all of the healing then you're just spending your time applying damage as a Scholar instead. Depends entirely on the group, the dungeon, things like that, but that doesn't change between Scholar/White Mage really, just the ease with which it can be done.

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Exactly. It's easier to do the absolute minimum on SCH in low-level duties, but that doesn't mean that it isn't far more efficient to maximize DPS and help everyone finish the duty that much faster.

I finished WHM after SCH was already 50 and thought I was going to fall asleep playing CNJ in low-level duties since it was mostly a one-button job early on. The majority of lowbie tanks fell into that middle area where they weren't so good that I could risk blowing too many GCDs on assistant DPS, but not so squishy (or so aggressive with pulls) that keeping up with direct heals was any sort of challenge. Zzzzzz.

Get some Garlean Rubber and transform your wand into a slingshot so you no longer need mana to throw stones :U

On all seriousness, yea, that class is boring }:¬|

If you find soloing CNJ to be boring, I can't imagine you'd like any dps class, since at low levels dps are the same thing: spam a couple skills infinitely til dead. Since you already play SCH, I'd imagine healing in dungeons as CNJ/WHM would be... better...? than soloing, but if you hate that as well, I think you're out of luck. I actually really like WHM. It's dps is very straightforward, and so is its healing. Plus you can Holy spam for great justice in Syrcus Tower trash pulls.