Theory on the moons.

Currently there is a conversion going on asking whats going on with the size of the moons changing.

I have a Theory.



Hydaelyn only has 1 Moon.


That is right. 1 Moon. Singular.

The secondary Lunar Body that appears to be orbiting Hydaelyn is actually Orbiting Haydaelyn's Moon.


This could point to another neat theory.

One of the Orbiting bodies above Hydaelyn is actually another "Twin" Planet with its own moon.

Yay, Theories.


If it is a Twin Planet, That means it could be inhabited, Which means it could also point to us going there in the future. :3

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

And in this fictional world it's totally possible that the inhabitants always believed the 2nd moon to be a moon, but may later find out that it is actually something else.. Like a planet, (or meteor).
What Cairdeas said makes sense.
In the lore they're only called moons because the people living on the planet believe them to be moons. They could be wrong. Even with the lore this would make sense. I hope I explained this well enough.

As an example.. we've called Pluto a planet for so long. Now we're being told "oops, we were wrong, it's actually something else." It's not unrealistic to believe that the same could happen in a fictional world.

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Hydaelyn has twin moons. The lore of Menphina, the lover (one of the Twelve) confirms this.

Chances are that the second "Moon" is

Meteor.

The second moon could be meteor, and it might have just been dormant. Glowing red could mean it's been activated/artificial moon ala FFIV.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Hydaelyn has twin moons. The lore of Menphina, the lover (one of the Twelve) confirms this.

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Lore of the gods doesn't answer scientifically whats going on up in space.

If it did, we'd use the bible as empirical evidence everywhere.

There is a mini quest in Wineport which tell about the moons.
The big moon is Melphina and the little moon is her watchdog.

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Originally Posted by Felis

There is a mini quest in Wineport which tell about the moons.
The big moon is Melphina and the little moon is her watchdog.

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Again, That doesn't explain whats going on in space.

I'm with Jynx on this one, although for all I know it could turn out to be another visitable world or something entirely different. The wineport quest also mentions one of them seems to be getting bigger (closer?)

there's another thread like this only it suggests as jynx has the moon is a meteor....... since it has changed color and is bigger..... then there is the cid mentioning meteor thing..... so I vote meteor..... and well had other opinions, I said it in the other thread so ... no need to repeat. ^ ^

The smaller moon could be something like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14307987

Or this:

http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease...ons-became-one

It's about a theory that the Earth used to have two moons until they collided and smushed into one.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Lore of the gods doesn't answer scientifically whats going on up in space.

If it did, we'd use the bible as empirical evidence everywhere.

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It's a video game. A fantasy video game.

Lol, Welp, Get to work Crafters were making a Rocket Airships and were going to this "other moon" :D

This is the other moon.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Lore of the gods doesn't answer scientifically whats going on up in space.

If it did, we'd use the bible as empirical evidence everywhere.

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I guess that's technically true from a "real world" perspective.

But this is a fictional world in a videogame, and for that argument to hold much weight you would need to first assume that the creators of this game have decided to outright lie to us about the world they created in the form of established lore and background. I would say the likelihood of this is very low.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Lore of the gods doesn't answer scientifically whats going on up in space.

If it did, we'd use the bible as empirical evidence everywhere.

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Thank god you reminded me that this is a science game, not a fantasy LORE based game!

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

This is the other moon.

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3 days...
three days...
THREE DAYS!!!!!

Ok, now that's out of my system, I would say it is possible that the smaller moon is in an orbit around the larger, especially since we know there are extrasolar planets that orbit other planets. Also, if that is the case, I would say the "watchdog" is in a Lagrange point around "Menphina" since it's orbit never seems to change, only its color.

I say that the other moon is the Red Star we're really on Pern and we'll be fighting Thread on Telepathic dragons that breathe fire (No we're not copy writing Anne Mccaffrey at all!) jk

That's no moon...

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Lol, Welp, Get to work Crafters were making a Rocket Airships and were going to this "other moon" :D

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Unfortunately if its meteor then its a one way trip =P better remember to build an escape pod and to check to make sure there are no faults with the oxygen tanks!

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Hydaelyn has twin moons. The lore of Menphina, the lover (one of the Twelve) confirms this.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Lore of the gods doesn't answer scientifically whats going on up in space.

If it did, we'd use the bible as empirical evidence everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

I guess that's technically true from a "real world" perspective.

But this is a fictional world in a videogame, and for that argument to hold much weight you would need to first assume that the creators of this game have decided to outright lie to us about the world they created in the form of established lore and background. I would say the likelihood of this is very low.

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And in this fictional world it's totally possible that the inhabitants always believed the 2nd moon to be a moon, but may later find out that it is actually something else.. Like a planet, (or meteor).
What Cairdeas said makes sense.
In the lore they're only called moons because the people living on the planet believe them to be moons. They could be wrong. Even with the lore this would make sense. I hope I explained this well enough.

As an example.. we've called Pluto a planet for so long. Now we're being told "oops, we were wrong, it's actually something else." It's not unrealistic to believe that the same could happen in a fictional world.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

Unfortunately if its meteor then its a one way trip =P better remember to build an escape pod and to check to make sure there are no faults with the oxygen tanks!

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I suggest we found some rough and tumble guys to plant a explosive in the center of it!

Its definatly Meteor, Cid only says that one word and at same time this so called moon changes color. Co-incidence?

I believe what they thought to be twin moons orbiting their planet is infact one moon which has trapped a meteor in its own gravitational pull and this meteor is now orbiting the planets satalite. Some event is now causing this meteor to glow red and it might even possibly break orbit from the larger moon.

I believe they are planning to change the maps for Thanalan, black shroud and la noscea? What better way to do this than explain this change with a catostophic impact from meteor :)

Just imagine it getting nearer and nearer to the planet the closer we get to the patch that will change the maps. With the final few days before the patch goes live, meteor would be very large in the sky at night and during the day. It would be awsome.

If the entire meteor did hit the planet it obviously woiuld destroy everything but I believe it will break up in the planets atmopsphere with 3 large chunks of the metor hitting thanalan, black shroud and la noscea causing and explaining the changes we will be getting to these maps!

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Originally Posted by Sav

That's no moon...

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...that's a space station.

But on a more serious note, the recent change in colour screams out this will be some form of plot point.

It has also been stated that the resident's of Hydaelyn do not carry the concept of there being other worlds, planets etc. Such concepts are beyond them and they are simply in touch with what they have exposed to them. When they look at the night sky, they see the two moons as the icons of Menphina and Dalamud, her loyal hound.

The truth may be a completely different ball-game.

There are only two ideas of which I think make sense:
The "moon" growing bigger and changing color is either a hint on things to come, you know, like in all those fantasy/mystery stories where the moon turns red in the night before an important fight to indicate a great bloodbath coming or something like that..
OR the moon is a threat itsself, which would be kind of awesome, but..I think we have enough threats for now xD

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

And in this fictional world it's totally possible that the inhabitants always believed the 2nd moon to be a moon, but may later find out that it is actually something else.. Like a planet, (or meteor).
What Cairdeas said makes sense.
In the lore they're only called moons because the people living on the planet believe them to be moons. They could be wrong. Even with the lore this would make sense. I hope I explained this well enough.

As an example.. we've called Pluto a planet for so long. Now we're being told "oops, we were wrong, it's actually something else." It's not unrealistic to believe that the same could happen in a fictional world.

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Never said it was impossible or unrealistic, just very unlikely, that they would falsify this kind of information.

From the perspective of a game designer, I don't think they would build the entire basis for an important deity on a chunk of lore that isn't even true to begin with.
I also don't think they would present false information about the basics of the world we're in, when all they've been doing lately in quests is trying to give us more concrete information and/or lore about it.

Also, as far as the Meteor theory, I think this is likely and doesn't conflict with the twin moons, considering a meteor that's been orbiting Hydaelyn can still technically be considered a moon (or satellite, I suppose).

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Originally Posted by Kyra

I believe what they thought to be twin moons orbiting their planet is infact one moon which has trapped a meteor in its own gravitational pull and this meteor is now orbiting the planets satalite. Some event is now causing this meteor to glow red and it might even possibly break orbit from the larger moon.

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Due to the drastic size difference, the larger of the two bodies would have a substantially stronger gravitational force upon the other and most likely a more developed atmosphere. It would make sense that this red glow could be attributed to the meteor/debris igniting upon entering the moon's atmosphere. I'm sure the devs are giggling to themselves as we speak thinking "and we just made that s**t up!" but it would be really cool if later down the line this phenomenon contributes somehow to the overall storyline.

It would be sad if this just turned out to be a part of the seasonal event and nothing more with it returning to white next month. :(

I hope otherwise, of course.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Never said it was impossible or unrealistic, just very unlikely, that they would falsify this kind of information.

From the perspective of a game designer, I don't think they would build the entire basis for an important deity on a chunk of lore that isn't even true to begin with.
I also don't think they would present false information about the basics of the world we're in, when all they've been doing lately in quests is trying to give us more concrete information and/or lore about it.

Also, as far as the Meteor theory, I think this is likely and doesn't conflict with the twin moons, considering a meteor that's been orbiting Hydaelyn can still technically be considered a moon (or satellite, I suppose).

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You haven't played very many SE games have you? They tend to spend the first half of the game slamming the same rules at you over and over and over again until you get comfortable and then BAMF* All of a Sudden, YOUR the bad guy and you just kill and entire civilization of people. (lolnier)

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

(lolnier)

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Nier was an awesome game!

(the JP PS3 version, of course. not the Huge McUgly version).

It's a UFO and it's coming to steal our women and rape our Aldgoat Nanny's.

Actually SE has been known to present lore from within the world that is flat out wrong based on your character experiencing the truth through missions.

See CoP. Most of what is taught through lore is proved wrong when you discover the real purpose of the five races being created. Along with the song and its verses. And the crystal guardians.

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Originally Posted by Sav

Nier was an awesome game!

(the JP PS3 version, of course. not the Huge McUgly version).

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It indeed was a great game. Though I think it would have done better as a whole if they had unified the game across all platforms and just made it so you picked at the beginning if you wanted to play young or old Nier.

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Originally Posted by Kyra

Its definatly Meteor, Cid only says that one word and at same time this so called moon changes color. Co-incidence?

I believe what they thought to be twin moons orbiting their planet is infact one moon which has trapped a meteor in its own gravitational pull and this meteor is now orbiting the planets satalite. Some event is now causing this meteor to glow red and it might even possibly break orbit from the larger moon.

I believe they are planning to change the maps for Thanalan, black shroud and la noscea? What better way to do this than explain this change with a catostophic impact from meteor :)

Just imagine it getting nearer and nearer to the planet the closer we get to the patch that will change the maps. With the final few days before the patch goes live, meteor would be very large in the sky at night and during the day. It would be awsome.

If the entire meteor did hit the planet it obviously woiuld destroy everything but I believe it will break up in the planets atmopsphere with 3 large chunks of the metor hitting thanalan, black shroud and la noscea causing and explaining the changes we will be getting to these maps!

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This hopefully.

and from the letter from Yoshi P in 1.19

"1.19 Quests revolving around the danger facing Eorzea "

/crosses fingers

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

It's a UFO and it's coming to steal our women and rape our Aldgoat Nanny's.

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LOL where have you been all of my life?!

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

You haven't played very many SE games have you? They tend to spend the first half of the game slamming the same rules at you over and over and over again until you get comfortable and then BAMF* All of a Sudden, YOUR the bad guy and you just kill and entire civilization of people. (lolnier)

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This is an MMORPG...

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This is an MMORPG...

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FFXI

Half the story given to you at the beginning in XI and XI:RoTZ is actually False, and the truth revealed in COP.

lol sorry "This is an MMORPG" isn't a great argument point.

MMORPG's break lore more often then any other game anyway.

In the theme song "Answers" there is a line...

Mired by a plague of doubtful and cheap lore.
Judgement binds all we hold to a memory of scorn.

/thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jns9arS5GjU

Quite clearly Ifrit is riding on that Meteor. Aren't all of his attacks in previous games meteor type attacks? And we all know he's coming at some point.

Thats no moon its a battle station!!!! Haha I saw this on the ferry to Limsa except the smaller body was white. I commented to my linkshell and about the fireworks display at night in the instanced Limsa dock area waiting for ferry. If you havent seen it check it out its kinda neat.