Pre-made parties

The other day I had a full 4-man party (tank, healer, two DPS) and two of the guys were new (tank, one DPS) for a run thru AmpKeep. It was a pain cuz the tank was someplace around i-lvl 50-55, and just could not take a hit. His skill wasnt bad, just shitty armor, and the newb dps kept switching targets before the "primary" was dead.

I kept thinking to myself; 'self, why didnt we bring two healers? This is a pre-made party, so no class restrictions.'

This got me wondering:
- Do you all find yourselves conforming to the norm even when party makeup is unrestricted? Just the opposite?
- Do you always come with an extra healer or tank to REALLY difficult trials/raids?

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Originally Posted by radioactive_lego

AmpKeep. It was a pain cuz the tank was someplace around i-lvl 50-55, and just could not take a hit.

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So you found difficult a dungeon you weren't horribly overgearing and what ? That's how it's supposed to be (even though AK is just a joke now. Nothing to compare with 2013 AK...).

party make up is unnecessary most of the time. It's the easy way to do it. People have since a long time gone their way with it. Most HM primals are done 1-1-6, many dungeons can be done 4 dps way, or even solo as a healer. T1 can be done 1-1-6, T2 doesn't require more than 1 tank for enrage so extra dps slot, etc etc...


But to be honest... there is no need for an extra tank and/or healer. Especially in a 4-man dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

But to be honest... there is no need for an extra tank and/or healer. Especially in a 4-man dungeon.

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K. I feel like you missed the point of the topic. I was just wondering if:

Do you find that your pre-made parties differ from the SE standard?
and/or
Do you purposely customize your parties for very difficult content (Ex Primals, T5+)?

In 4-man parties I usually conform to the norm, in 8-man groups it depends on content but solo heals and solo tanking is common

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Originally Posted by radioactive_lego

K. I feel like you missed the point of the topic. I was just wondering if:

Do you find that your pre-made parties differ from the SE standard?
and/or
Do you purposely customize your parties for very difficult content (Ex Primals, T5+)?

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heh you missed my 2nd paragraph or so it seems ^^

Ex Ramuh doesn't need 2 tanks, Ex Shiva doesn't either as it is now the standard in PF. T5 has been done solo tank for ages. Ex Garuda and titan have been done solo heal for a long time too.

T6 is doable solo tank if the party deals insane damage, T7 is definitively solo-tankable now (been to 5% like that following a DC on pull). T8 has always been done solo tank. T9 has been done solo tank and solo heal at the same time... etc.


not counting the 4 rogues parties we made for levelling from 15 to 30

I've always wanted to try 4 SMNs dungeon runs
when the NIN grind was real I heard of some ppl tryin Satasha 4x ROGs

Do 3 mrd 1 heal tam taras all the time. Mow the dungeon down in 4 pulls. Only reason it takes 4 is poison stacks become unmanageable around 8-9

We do fun runs often. At one point 3 whm 1 mrd(ak), 1 sch, 1 smn(titan egi) and 2 dps(copperbell hm, haukke hm), 4 dps tamtara nm(with cross class heals), 3 rog 1 tank toto and so on..., 1 heal 3 dsp sasti nm

Always fun. And all were clears. Don't think we hit a single dungeon yet with our fun runs that we failed at with random parties(and we at times will go dr high for such).

I've heard of a 24 men ST too. they managed to get to xande in the timer, I don't know if they managed to win yet

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Originally Posted by ruskie

We do fun runs often. At one point 3 whm 1 mrd(ak), 1 sch, 1 smn(titan egi) and 2 dps(copperbell hm, haukke hm), 4 dps tamtara nm(with cross class heals), 3 rog 1 tank toto and so on..., 1 heal 3 dsp sasti nm

Always fun. And all were clears. Don't think we hit a single dungeon yet with our fun runs that we failed at with random parties(and we at times will go dr high for such).

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Fun runs are the best. I did a 3 DPS 1 heal Tam Tara normal the other day that went more smoothly than some normal party runs I've had.

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Originally Posted by radioactive_lego

The other day I had a full 4-man party (tank, healer, two DPS) and two of the guys were new (tank, one DPS) for a run thru AmpKeep. It was a pain cuz the tank was someplace around i-lvl 50-55, and just could not take a hit. His skill wasnt bad, just shitty armor, and the newb dps kept switching targets before the "primary" was dead.

I kept thinking to myself; 'self, why didnt we bring two healers? This is a pre-made party, so no class restrictions.'

This got me wondering:
- Do you all find yourselves conforming to the norm even when party makeup is unrestricted? Just the opposite?
- Do you always come with an extra healer or tank to REALLY difficult trials/raids?

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It reminds me AK demon wall was a dps check previously, with only 1 dps most likely unclearable...^^;

God I remember doing AK pre-nerf in like i50 gear, one healer at current gear is still overkill with the nerf even with an i55 tank.

As for party compositions, we used to mess around a lot ages ago doing 3 whm 1 smn titan egi tank dungeon runs.

Ran normal mode primals with 4 DPS and no tank, 3 healers and 1 DPS as tank, 3 tanks and 1 healer. Not over geared, we were all leveling. I've run many 4-person dungeons with 4 people that were not the 'standard' makeup for training purposes. What better way to train a tank than to take turns and show them what to do? Same with healer or DPS.

I don't really know too many people who play the game, so I don't really get the opportunity to go in a dungeon with a pre-made party. The one time we did it, it was a run through Dzemael Darkhold with 4 DPS, with heals only really needed for the last boss, which the Summoner took care of. That was pretty fun and would like to do again. :)

In pre-made PFs, I seen 3 healers, 3 Tanks...just about anything. Sometimes this done to carry 1 or more members thru easy fights Hm primals , early Coils and some DFs. I like the idea behind pre-made non-standard partys. In fact, while I was learning Scholar at lv 50 I had a friend come along as Whm to help me heal Ak. I'd never healed a Df before. It worked for me.

Fun fact: I've cleared Ak and WP without a Tank,thats 1 Bard, I Whm and a Nin. We rocked!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkAVycuyyAE

Did an AK run with 3 healers and a tank, and this was before it got nerfed!


Looking back on this video, I can't believe how different the game looked; the "target's target" bar was the same shade of blue as a party member, AOE lines used to be red, there was no blue flag icon for party members next to their names, and Holy used to be 240 power instead of 200 now. Man so much has changed...