Question regarding T10

Once again, I'm gonna need a little help on this one. My group will attempt it later this week. But something tells me that we may not able to meet the dps check.

This is my current group setup:

PLD WAR MNK/NIN SMN BLM BRD WHM SCH

Only the MNK and BLM has i115 weapon, and we all have atleast 1 i120 piece.

I was told you need 1950 DPS as a group to be able to not hit the 10:30 enrage, so this probably means I need to make sure my DPS is hitting at a minimum of 400 and tanks at 150 - 200. So the question is, how do you guys manage to meet upkeep the high DPS?

You will need to go in and experience the fight, especially the adds phase, so that your 2 casters knows how to optimize their output and finish the 2 adds phase asap.

Also, provided that they don't do crap DPS by default though.

Aside from upgrading their gear, your dps will just have to practice on dummies until they get better.

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Originally Posted by Sholah

Aside from upgrading their gear, your dps will just have to practice on dummies until they get better.

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What would the average DPS you would say for someone with mostly i110 gear? Just so I can compare with my group

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Originally Posted by RegnumMagik

What would the average DPS you would say for someone with mostly i110 gear? Just so I can compare with my group

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I can't speak for other classes, but on MNK I was putting out 470 with full i110. I'm i113 now and putting out 480.

Edit: I should clarify that those numbers are on a dummy. Numbers are different during battles because you have to learn to deal with mechanics, and how to maximize your dps during a specific fight. Practice should teach your dps where they can squeeze in just a little bit extra, and when to properly use their cooldowns.

You actually need around 2050.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

You actually need around 2050.

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I thought it was less since there's going to be 1 caster LB for 2nd set of adds and 1 melee LB. Or am I wrong?

SMN will need to put in a bit of work with managing MP, managing DoTs on the adds, etc. but everyone else should be fine at that gear level. Just don't expect a one shot or to beat it day one. Practice makes perfect.

Things we did at first to increase our DPS, since we started doing this since week 1 after the patch went live.

1- SCH does his DPS rotation when there're no adds or a lot of damage incoming.
2- Paladin (me) switches to Sword Oath after tank swaps (Except for charges). I personally switch to Sword Oath when one of my adds is dead, I can burn DPS the second one with the other guys. The son doesn't deal that much damage.
3- Warrior deactivates defiance ONLY when he gets one add, like me. We both DPS the boss until we see him casting his raid-wide AoE damage. Then we switch to Shield Oath and turn on Defiance.
4- DPS in general use stat potions and poison pots.
5- Tanks are wearing penta-melded vit+str+det accesories.
6- Fight related: Our caster LB3s the second set of adds. We use melee LB3 when it pop's and then single lvl 1 LB if it comes up before the battle ends.

Now we have 2 ilvl 130 weapons and 1 ilvl 120 weapon. We out DPS these fights, but at first, you gotta use every resource you have.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Things we did at first to increase our DPS, since we started doing this since week 1 after the patch went live.

1- SCH does his DPS rotation when there're no adds or a lot of damage incoming.
2- Paladin (me) switches to Sword Oath after tank swaps (Except for charges). I personally switch to Sword Oath when one of my adds is dead, I can burn DPS the second one with the other guys. The son doesn't deal that much damage.
3- Warrior deactivates defiance ONLY when he gets one add, like me. We both DPS the boss until we see him casting his raid-wide AoE damage. Then we switch to Shield Oath and turn on Defiance.
4- DPS in general use stat potions and poison pots.
5- Tanks are wearing penta-melded vit+str+det accesories.
6- Fight related: Our caster LB3s the second set of adds. We use melee LB3 when it pop's and then single lvl 1 LB if it comes up before the battle ends.

Now we have 2 ilvl 130 weapons and 1 ilvl 120 weapon. We out DPS these fights, but at first, you gotta use every resource you have.

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#1 is very imporant. It was SCH dps that pushed us over the edge to get our first clear.

#3 I will go even farther as to say never tank swap unless mandatory. WAR spec strength, toggle Defiance for only adds and Wild Charge, OT the whole time, and Holmgang the charge. The occasional swap might be mandatory cuz of rng but otherwise war can be free to dps their heart out.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

You actually need around 2050.

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I'm pretty sure it is 1950, assuming perfect conditions (no deaths, mechanics handled perfectly).

Those are very helpful advice, i'll make sure to keep them in mind! Thanks a lot~

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

1- SCH does his DPS rotation when there're no adds or a lot of damage incoming.

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Yeah. I do a lot of DPS as SCH in T10. At the same time I take care of every prey save the double one when adds come out. Also I cleric stance dance during adds as well. I have all my cleric stance moments planned ahead of time. Honestly there's very little rng in T10 so have your healers take full advantage of that.

The rule about enrage is: don't worry about enrage until you run into it.

Obsessing over dps is only a hindrance to learning mechanics.

You need 2032 Group DPS (1.280.000 HP in 630 seconds). On our first clear we were at:

PLD - 165 - ilvl 110 weapon
WAR - 165 - ilvl 110 weapon
WHM - 10
SCH - 40
MNK - 425 - ilvl 110 weapon
BRD - 370 - ilvl 115 weapon
SMN - 360 - ilvl 115 weapon
DRG - 410 - ilvl 110 weapon
Limit Break - 150 (1 Caster LB3 + 1 Melee LB1)

= 2095

Sure, not top of the hill, but enough to beat it. DPS comes with practice, the more you are accommodated to the mechanics the more DPS you'll have

SCH tips

-You can choose not to use Adlo on Rip after your WHM and tank are used to the fight and just lustrate on Rip (multi lustrate if hp not full before Rip) instead to keep your Cleric stance on the whole time (I still succor + soil for charge though)
-Use energy drain
-Dot and Bane adds, starting with offtank's
-MNK's mantra + Fey + Succor is enough to cover prey damage at IL110 (unless targets use BFB)
-Pretty much have Cleric on the whole fight except for Prey (learn the timings), start of adds phase and charge.
-Eos regen very useful, I use at start of adds (+Fey) and when boss charges
-May need to Adlo charge target in final phase as the arena gets smaller, 1 tick of the DoT may kill them
-SCH should raise instead of SMN for MP (Or share the raises). Though if someone dies, you may not make it

Don't try to do everything when you are still getting used to the fight though

Use Poison pots. Seriously. I think we used somewhere around 2000 Poison pots between all 8 of us for our first clear.

Obviously, use your appropriate HQ X-Stat potion as well. Yes, even you tanks.

Also a minor improvement, but its better to have the WAR MT and the PLD OT for the majority of the fight, damage-wise (IE: Have the WAR go first, he'll typically tank most of the fight). This is counting that the PLD knows how to Oath-Dance, tho.

It's not a hard fight, but everyone needs to stay focused the whole time. We wiped 5 times at 1% only because we had deads on last phase... people taking double lightning, not running fast enough to take a hit...

Best advice I could give: your SMN and maybe your WHM will have to learn MP management (that wille come with experience of the fight anyway). As a Bard, singing too soon Ballad or even Pean is stressing.
Practice Phase 2. The mechanics in that phase will be the used in last phase, only in a (lot) smaller area. If you master this "combo" then you pretty much master the fight.

And the usual like everyone said already: food, X-pots of stats, poison pots, and BfB to be used wisely.
We used the hard way: no poison pots, only one DPS with ilvl 115 weapon, one melee, and Bard in melee range instead of SMN. But it worked anyway.

Me as Bard

If there is a ninja in your party, goad rotation on dps will be fine.

Usually, my partner used goad on me when the first pack of adds spawn, then i apply dots on OT son, MT daughter and attack OT daughter. My bloodletter proc is active all time. When the first daughter is dead, i reapply dots and i include MT son and kill the OT son.

When the MT son is nearly down, i play foe to burst imdugud, with PPP, and our blm, scholar and whm attacking him, our ninja using Trick attacks and being benefit by foe when he uses raiton.

We use LB3 on second pack of adds, 2 dps on OT daughter(mnk, drg and my dots) and 1 dps on OT son (Me), because the lb3 down to 5%-10% both targets.

With a ninja, i rarely use paeon, just Manasong

To give you an idea, on our first kill, no i115 weapon (all 110), no potions, a couple of i120 pieces per people, almost zero total i110 crafting pieces (maybe a couple spread over the whole raid), warrior fully i90 ruby melded pieces + 30 STR and pld maintanking, healers doing zero damage, we had :

Sch and whm 0
Pld ~150
War~275
Brd~360
Smn~350
Nin~380
Mnk~390
LB~140

Total about 2045 dps. Beat the enrage by about 10 seconds.