Commendation Idea

I have an idea for commendations. However, even I see potential for abuse so it's not flawless. I would love input from players on how to improve this suggestion!

:: Commendation
Commendations are fairly pointless right now. They're nice to get but it's just for pride really. Furthermore we have problems with not even people doing low level roulette, especially tanks and healers. It's also pretty well known (from what I gather) that most commendations go to tanks and healers. So why not use that as a wait to entice more people.

So my suggestion is that commendations from DF instances give us commendation points, which are a form of currency that can be traded in for a variety of things.
(or seals, if they add better stuff to the GC shops, or some other existing currency. The idea is mostly about getting rewarded from receiving commendations more than it is about how that reward is given out)

It's better than gil rewards as gil is only as relevant as a server's market and is thus harder to regulate on the fairness of the reward. A fixed currency prize would be easier for SE to reassess the rewards obtainable to ensure fairness.

Let's discuss!
(and yes, it's ok if you think this idea is crap :D)

Another neat idea:

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Originally Posted by Rhindas

If, perhaps, they instead applied the New Player bonus to the Roulette tomestone/GC seals bonus, they'd probably get more bites..

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Originally Posted by RakaMaimhov

I fail to see how making commendations more rewarding will motivate people to comm others. It would only motivate them to ASK for more comms, which is annoying already.

How about we reward players for GIVING commendations?

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I don't particularly agree with this one, but that doesn't mean others won't and I know people don't always scroll down to read other suggestions

Well I don't know about more currencies. If they keep adding new ones they're going to have a runaway situation like what WoW had. If you count the UATs, Vintage Gear, Oaknots, Soldiery Tokens and etc as currencies as well, then we're already getting out of hand. Also, after what they did with the prices for Allied Notes for inferior gear they claim is meant for glamour I don't exactly have confidence they'd implement a new currency system that was intended to entice people to do low level content without the prices being exorbitant.

People don't do Low Level because it takes too long to get a reward that you can get in a fraction of the time doing other activities. Low Level Roulette really only benefits people leveling and fresh 50s. If, perhaps, they instead applied the New Player bonus to the Roulette tomestone/GC seals bonus, they'd probably get more bites. Low Level almost invariably gives me Tam-Tara or Toto-rak, and those are beyond boring for me and it's not worth the tomes. I could run the Expert dungeons for the same, or shorter, time, for a better reward from both completion and chest drops.

But back to the original idea, if they were to implement this, what kind of incentives should your commendation idea offer? If it's glamour gear, it's not going to bring much traffic because, again, Allied Notes already tried that. If things like Alexandrite were offered, you may get some people taking up that offer.

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Originally Posted by Rhindas

Well I don't know about more currencies. If they keep adding new ones they're going to have a runaway situation like what WoW had.

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Fair enough. How about the alternate idea of getting existing currencies based on recommendations. I believe I had a parenthesis for GC Seals (but obviously it could be adapted to other existing currencies)

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Originally Posted by Rhindas

If, perhaps, they instead applied the New Player bonus to the Roulette tomestone/GC seals bonus, they'd probably get more bites..

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That sounds like a neat idea, did you ever suggest it?

I fail to see how making commendations more rewarding will motivate people to comm others. It would only motivate them to ASK for more comms, which is annoying already.

How about we reward players for GIVING commendations?

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Originally Posted by RakaMaimhov

I fail to see how making commendations more rewarding will motivate people to comm others. It would only motivate them to ASK for more comms, which is annoying already.

How about we reward players for GIVING commendations?

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Because there is a reward for giving 5 commendations per week. And people would just randomly pick something to commend and leave quickly in order to max out points.

And this idea isn't to motivate people to comm others. It's to entice tanks/healers to do roulette (who already get the majority of the commendations given anyway). Further, I imagine many DPS would be enticed to comm others as a way of thanking them for letting their queue finally pop!

I understand your point of view squintina. After all as you said, they are used purposely for players pride and with more commendations, certain rewards are given like minions as well as profile name which is fair motivation for players who care about it. If other game related rewards are introduced from commendations then there will be more room for manipulations and misuse. DF have enough rewards such as few gils, ts, and seals. It's sort of useless but good to have kinda thing.

Well if they ever upgrade the GC catalog there would be more reason to farm the seals. The thing is though I use mine for pretty much only Ventures, and I'm usually swimming in seals as it is because the dungeon gear from high levels gives around 1k seals for a trade in.

And no I've never suggested it (though I suppose I just did). People want the tomestones because of how the game's progression system works. You need them to move up. So people want the fastest way to attain them, and Low Level isn't it.

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Originally Posted by RakaMaimhov

How about we reward players for GIVING commendations?

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THIS

also, OP, i am fairly certain in pre-made parties, you cannot give commendations to party members
when i was helping my arcanist friend level up while on my tank, i could not choose him as an option for commedations

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Originally Posted by BraveheartRamo

I understand your point of view squintina. After all as you said, they are used purposely for players pride and with more commendations, certain rewards are given like minions as well as profile name which is fair motivation for players who care about it. If other game related rewards are introduced from commendations then there will be more room for manipulations and misuse. DF have enough rewards such as few gils, ts, and seals. It's sort of useless but good to have kinda thing.

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Thank you for the reply.
However, from what I'm reading, there are a lot of players who feel the current DF rewards are not enough. If not for my suggestion, do you have one for how to alleviate this issue?

I know some people believe this will all be alleviated when 3.0 comes out because there will be new tank/healer classes, but it will also likely come with new DPS as well.

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Originally Posted by vred13v

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also, OP, i am fairly certain in pre-made parties, you cannot give commendations to party members
when i was helping my arcanist friend level up while on my tank, i could not choose him as an option for commedations

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Indeed. I had forgotten about that. I shall go edit my post (I don't really use preformed parties).

They act have added more now there's a new robe you can get i think for 1500 and a new mount at 2000 i think

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Originally Posted by Squintina

Thank you for the reply.
However, from what I'm reading, there are a lot of players who feel the current DF rewards are not enough. If not for my suggestion, do you have one for how to alleviate this issue?

I know some people believe this will all be alleviated when 3.0 comes out because there will be new tank/healer classes, but it will also likely come with new DPS as well.

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You're most welcomed. I think DF needs a whole different discussion forum and not just a thread :) but in short and sweet... I find the issue is with time rather than classes regardless how long we have to wait to commence duty. It became so predictable that SE can now forecast game play. For that I agree that rewards should be better for an avg of 45 min of DF game play plus 1hr of waiting :). I would say add value to exp point and increase cap to lvl 90. Anyways they will raise it to 60 in 3.0 but how long till we cap that, a week or 2? :) then again back to farming ts.

Sounds good but it's unfair to have a person's currency based on the thoughts of another player. Considering one player may have a monopoly on commendations should they end up with a 3-man pre-made or should people be boosting commendations.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

Sounds good but it's unfair to have a person's currency based on the thoughts of another player. Considering one player may have a monopoly on commendations should they end up with a 3-man pre-made or should people be boosting commendations.

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Hmm indeed, but it'd just be an extra bit of currency. Not so different from adventurer in need (which is a bonus based on what's in the queue, which in itself is driven by what players play, so it's indirectly based on the thoughts of other players), but instead of giving gil (which is relative to markets), it's a currency with a fixed system.

I'd imagine that 3-man premades are not so prevalent that it'd be an issue, but it's true that could come up.

I'd like it if players who stay long enough to receive a commendation but don't bother to give one, had any commendations they got from that run nullified. So if someone gets paired with a party of 3 in DF and commends no one, and the other 3 commend them, when they exit they see- you have received a commendation! x3 and then under that- "Commendations will not be counted due to abstaining from voting towards commendation' or something.

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Originally Posted by RakaMaimhov

I fail to see how making commendations more rewarding will motivate people to comm others. It would only motivate them to ASK for more comms, which is annoying already.

How about we reward players for GIVING commendations?

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players are already awarded for giving commendations. they are given EXP and Gil. and even achievement rewards too. which IMO shouldn't be happening. the player shouldn't receive a damn thing for giving out a commendation. it completely undermines the value of such an action and system.


if the instanced dungeon went smoothly i give out commendations like so...
as healer they go to tank...
as tank they go to healer...
as damage they go to damage...

it is fair like that, in my opinion.


if the dungeon went less then smoothly. then i either commend no one. or commend a player that did something notable that may have changed the tide of any one encounter, even trash mobs.

If they threw Allied Seals as a reward in for Low Level Roulette, I'd do it. But as has already been said, the current rewards for doing it aren't worth the time invested. Why spend time doing that when I can spend an equal or lesser amount of time doing something else for better/greater rewards? Plain and simple.

What about a bid system with commendation points? There will be limits including how much you can use at any given time and week but the idea is to let players use commendations to add to their loot rolls in df or trials before they roll. Item drops and he decides to use 5 commends he has gotten this week to add 10 points to their final roll. If the system rolls 65 for him the result will be 75. Again the system will not be based on commends accumulated so far but starts fresh while keepimg the old total counter and has their limits to not allow players overuse the system even if they farm commends with friends.

Lately no one comms anyone lol.
Everyone just leaves ( in hm primal )
Open chest then leave ( dungeons )
Only time ppl stay if a minion drops or something of value. Even then no "gj team, etc " just silence and leave lol.
Even if i carry hard as a healer in failing df parties, barely anyone commends lol.
2.3 and beyond changed ppl lol.
I blame gear cuz now tht everyone is over geared, ppl think meh dungeon/ fight was too easy no comms needed.

I carried a handful of titan hm fights where it was just me, MT and 2 dps or 1 dps lol.
We'd tough it out for a few mins till i can healer lb3 or we just beat him like that. Usually i get comms for saving the run but now even if miracles like tht happen im lucky to even get 1 comm now lol

Unless no one stood out in particular (or, for that matter, exceptionally sucked) I tend to go: Roegadyn (regardless of job - yup, totally biased and don't care) > dps job > either tank or healer (depending who was better at their job OR if both equally good, the one that looks better). I always commend people, unless the party really, really, reaaally sucked and was ridden with bad attitude.

I just often wish we could hand out more comms. I've had a number of parties in which the tank was stellar, the healer was stellar, the dps was stellar... and I wish I could let each one of them know.

Or make it so the comm screen pops into the middle of the screen and a person has to commend (give a 'none' option too... I've had those parties as well) in order to leave dungeon. /shrugs (lol. It's my idea and I'm not even sure I like it. xD )

Like others have said, the Low Level DR rewards are too low for the potential time and frustration. Maybe add a commendation-only glamour shop where you can buy exclusive stuff with comm points. (Would people then go and farm for commendations? Frustratingly yes. But there will always be people like this. Not much you can do. :/ Kind of like win trading in pvp to get gear... eventually they'll get bored.)