Idea - New DF Roulette: Challenge (iLv Sync)

This would use the same dungeons as the High roulette, but when you entered the dungeon your iLv would sync to the minimum requirements for the dungeon. If the devs wanted, they could also revert older dungeons back to their original difficulty for the roulette (Bees, anyone?). As this roulette would be more difficult and time consuming, the reward should be more than current High Lv roulette, and it would be a nice touch to have the original loot drops in it as well.

The devs have said that they don't want older dungeons to become completely obsolete or way too easy (i.e. the current 110 iLv cap) so something like this could help bring life back to the older dungeons. There are some small issues though. For example current roulettes help to fill slots in groups that would otherwise wait a long time to fill and this suggested roulette would not as only people who signed up for it would be thrown into it.

It sounded like a fun idea to me so I thought I'd throw it out there.

I LOVE this idea xD

i70 Bard with full Darklight Gear looking for Wanderer's Palace Speed Runs, pst.


God I remember those days ~_~

This is bloody Brilliant. Keeps old content fresh and challenging for those who enjoy the challenge. What were you thinking for rewards?

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

i70 Bard with full Darklight Gear looking for Wanderer's Palace Speed Runs, pst.


God I remember those days ~_~

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I feel you bro. With no pf, shouting in MD looking for a speed run party until our throats sore.

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Originally Posted by Gimorian401

What were you thinking for rewards?

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It would likely just be more soldiery than the normal high roulette offers. I can't see them adding any other kind of reward for a roulette. One thing they could add is a minion based off of a mob or boss from each dungeon and make it rare (but not quite as rare) like the nutkin.

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

i70 Bard with full Darklight Gear looking for Wanderer's Palace Speed Runs, pst.


God I remember those days ~_~

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Remember though, min iLev reqs would put you much lower than iLv70 darklight. The tonberry chasing you would be scary again! :D

The thing with this is that only very few people would do it unless the rewards are high - if rewards are high you will see many people complaining about difficulty.

Either way I think this kind of suggestions should be focused on expansion content rather than current content, they won't do major changes to current content other than making stuff even easier so people can move on to Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

The thing with this is that only very few people would do it unless the rewards are high - if rewards are high you will see many people complaining about difficulty.

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It's hard to say, but I'm sure a lot of people would do it for the bonus tomes. And as far as difficulty is concerned, it's like Savage Coil. It is supposed to be difficult and challenging, that's the point.

I'd certainly do it for a hefty bonus to soldiery. If I were to take a benchmark I'd put it at 150-200 extra sol to run WP at i50-55 gear. I really need to gear up my alt classes :(

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Originally Posted by Gokuhan

It's hard to say, but I'm sure a lot of people would do it for the bonus tomes. And as far as difficulty is concerned, it's like Savage Coil. It is supposed to be difficult and challenging, that's the point.

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Except Savage coil gives you titles as your reward. Now if you were asking for titles as a reward (one title for each challenge-mode dungeon), I might be willing to go with this. Alukah makes a good point because yes, no one will bother with it if the rewards are low. If the rewards are high more people will want to do it but won't have the "skill" to clear it, leading to them complaining about the difficulty. I'll throw in that it also invites classisms and drama/ragequits. Can't say I look forward to any of that.

They probably wouldn't add an "Adventurer In Need" Bonus to it though nor solderities / poetics higher than the current high level roulette.

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Originally Posted by Gimorian401

...What were you thinking for rewards?

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The reward is the challenge. If something like this ever implemented, will sure not done to make another way to farm things.

I think its a great idea, but pleaaase let us do it with our friends, I hate how most of the roulettes must be solo. My sister is leveling monk and queuetime is so bad for low level roulette as a melee currently, and I can't help her out as tank.
It's like SE don't understand that mmos are most appreciated when you play with your friends.

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To people saying it would be too hard so no one would do it.
I think a lot of ppl are like me and thinks the current dungeons are waaaaaaaaay to easy, we want dungeons to be harder, and with this roulette it would be. I would do it daily!

Party Queue only, strict level sync and a relevant time limit (not 90 minutes). Rewards would be a hefy sum of tomes or tokens for glamour/mount.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Party Queue only, strict level sync and a relevant time limit (not 90 minutes). Rewards would be a hefy sum of tomes or tokens for glamour/mount.

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Time limit isn't really meant to be a difficulty, just a safeguard so instances don't eat server resources for too long, without it people could stay in instances indefinitely.

I wasn't here at launch but I do remember reading about issues with servers hitting the limit of instances.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

The reward is the challenge. If something like this ever implemented, will sure not done to make another way to farm things.

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If that is the case though, there is no point in implementing this because the challenge is already in the game. You can enter these dungeons any time you'd like at the minimum ilvl. This feature seems like a way to get both challenge and rewards and the rewards are what will stop its queues from becoming a ghost town after a couple of weeks.

If you wanted the challenge, there's nothing stopping you from lowering your gear and going in the dungeon.

There's no reason to implement something like this, and I really hope they don't.

It'd be great if it was more than just the roulette and if it was an optional difficulty level for all level 50 dungeons, have it give twice the tomes they currently give and maybe some extra drops. Though since you know, the only instanced content with relevant gear in the game has to always be Coil, the only other decent thing that could drop would be mats or maybe minions. Maybe they could do something with aetherial gear too, doing runs to get at least i110 aetherial gear with the stats you want would be interesting.

Aside from the challenge just for fun, extra tomes alone would make doing those old dungeons more worthwhile, it's not like people would outright stop queuing for the regular versions either. Admittedly it would take some work and this game is all about cutting costs and corners.

How about you try clearing a dungeon like Haukke Manor HM with full party in minimum gear before suggesting something like this?

There are a number of players that would enjoy this kind of challenge and the lack of reward would cause others who are more reward minded to not bother. Kinda a win win on both sides

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Originally Posted by Gimorian401

There are a number of players that would enjoy this kind of challenge and the lack of reward would cause others who are more reward minded to not bother. Kinda a win win on both sides

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A small* number, which is the problem, if they give no rewards not enough will do it to warrant a new queue, there are more people who do content for loot than those who do it for challenge.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

A small* number, which is the problem, if they give no rewards not enough will do it to warrant a new queue, there are more people who do content for loot than those who do it for challenge.

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Indeed, this is exactly so. Even Savage Coil gives the same rewards as standard Coil (with added titles). At the very least this would need a Sol reward on par with the Low or High level roulette, I would say about 80-100 tomes.