This information is correct as of 10/03/2011.
Someone asked me yesterday why I spend more time reading the Japanese forums than the English ones. In order to explain, here's the view count of the forum stickies (The thread topics are identical):
Sticky: Welcome to Forum: General Discussion!
* Views: 412
Sticky: フォーラム：ジェネラルディスカッションについて
* Views: 2,058
Sticky Thread Sticky: Welcome to the official FINAL FANTASY XIV forums!
* Views: 3,643
Sticky Thread Sticky: ファイナルファンタジーXIV フォーラムにようこそ！
* Views: 10,678
Now let's take a look at the top five forum threads by viewcount in the Japanese and English forums:
English forums:
[dev1008] About Jumping
* Replies: 254
* Views: 6,554
Aggro Icon
* Replies: 196
* Views: 4,554
[dev1033] Class name changes
* Replies: 124
* Views: 4,223
Chocobos, airships, and the main city
* Replies: 116
* Views: 3,550
New Classes
* Replies: 144
* Views: 3,490
Japanese forums:
現状の無駄に広いコピペマップについてどう思いますか？
(What do you think about the currently implemented unreasonably large copy/paste maps?)
* Replies: 192
* Views: 30,879
私はFF14を続けるよ！1拝目
(I'm gonna continue playing FF14! First Worship)
* Replies: 84
* Views: 12,387
アクティーブモンスターの見分けアイコンは必要？
(Do we really need that icon for Aggressive monsters)
* Replies: 160
* Views: 10,668
ＦＦ14サービス休止して作り直した方がいい
(It would be better if FF14 suspended its service and fixed the game)
* Replies: 69
* Views: 9,336
PKシステム実装希望
(I want a Player-Killing system)
* Replies: 109
* Views: 8,934
The inference I make from this is that although the forum threads topics might be equally silly or inflammatory, Japanese people are more prone to actually reading stuff (like you know, the stickies, existing threads and forum guidelines) and less interested in listening to the beautiful sound of their own opinions.
Forum Comparision: Japanese forums versus the English ones.
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03-10-2011, 09:26 AMCatharsisForum Comparision: Japanese forums versus the English ones.
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03-10-2011, 09:29 AMRjain
The Japanese are a high context culture which holds less value on words and more value on actions and respect. North America on the other hand is a low context culture which focuses on the written word above action, and are a lot more direct with each other. Nothing new.
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03-10-2011, 09:30 AMAtryxEtair
Amen to this. I wish i could read Japanese. I look for something I can post in and only if i don't find it i will begin a new thread. I have started one thread in battle content and read close to a hundred due to this approach.
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03-10-2011, 09:33 AMAbriaelOr, there may be many more people reading the Japanese forums. Which is very probable considering that this is a Japanese game and Japanese players seem to be a vast majority in game as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catharsis
Those counters only show you how many people read a thread, not what percentage of the total, so while I'm sure the average Japanese is a little more considerate of the average westerner, I'm afraid that your conclusion is flawed. -
03-10-2011, 09:35 AMKirith
Moral: lurk more.
It's enough to look at the dev POLL results, the japanese make for more than 50% of the population... and we got german and french forums, separated from the english ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
OP, why don't you come back lecturing us after you do your math? -
03-10-2011, 09:38 AMXzen
So what I got from OP was same shi- different language.
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03-10-2011, 09:43 AMMarious
I was looking at both forums as well, while it seems that there is a total of 11 pages there might be more and anything after 11 is being dumped but I dont think so. There seems to be a lot of the same types of post in both engrish and japanese. At least we all agree on the state of the game is bad and that it needs work.
Both of us want more then what is being offered, for me it sure would be nice if we got chocobos.
Can anyone post something about the other forums as well?
Babelfish is your friend. -
03-10-2011, 09:48 AMKilta_Firelotus
Pretty much they have dicussion while we have mindless debating rants. I should learn to read japanese. I think i fit better with them. : /
ps i'm all for a pk system if done correctly. :) -
03-10-2011, 09:50 AMAbriaelAnd you know that without knowing how to read Japanese? My, the marvels of the internets...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
A little piece of advice for the ones idealizing the Japanese internet behavioir. Spend a few hours on 2chan.
(mind you, I love Japan, I have quite a few Japanese friends, but I know the Japanese internets enough to know that they have their flaws and quirks. Plenty). -
03-10-2011, 09:52 AMExandYou can't make an inference using direct view counts because you don't know the population of Japanese vs English speaking players viewing the forums! For all you know there are only 7000 English readers on the forums and 10,000 Japanese readers, which would imply the English readers are doing more reading than Japanese readers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catharsis
You'd need to use percentages, but you don't know how many of each language speaker is on the forums to calculate percentages. Thus you can't infer anything... -
03-10-2011, 09:52 AMMarious
I am sure that even though they seem to just be discussing the various topics. If you really know the way Japanese people are, they are actually yelling out their frustration, they just do it in less words :)
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03-10-2011, 09:54 AMAkumu
What i got from the OP is that the Japanese(or people that can read the Japanese) are more so on that forum compared to the english ones but either way about the same is being said regardless.
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03-10-2011, 09:54 AMGathOr let the PKing happen with the intelligent use of mobs ;OQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-10-2011, 09:55 AMAbriaelConsidering how kanji works, they might be doing it in many more words than you think :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Marious
I will always envy the possibility to write long, complex sentences in Japanese, and make them fit the 140 characters on Twitter :D -
03-10-2011, 09:59 AMkukurumeiSpeaking of 2chan, most of the FF14 population are probably more on 2chan then FF14 forums. Ah the power and craziness of 2chan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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03-10-2011, 10:00 AMtrinta
I agree that it's hard to use absolute numbers when you don't have percentages; but what I find most interesting is what topics they're discussing. Thanks for the info!
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03-10-2011, 10:04 AMKirithAre you female? Because if so you are asking to join a notoriously sexist society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-10-2011, 10:05 AMAbriaelThings that tells a lot about the quality of the Japanese FF14 population.Quote:
Originally Posted by kukurumei
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03-10-2011, 10:07 AMReikaAgreed X 10milQuote:
Originally Posted by Catharsis
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03-10-2011, 10:09 AMExandNot really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Browsing some quick topics there isn't much of a difference between what's being talked about, and the tones.
Take these two topics on jumping in the General forum:
Japanese:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...81%84%E3%81%A6
English
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=jump
The OP's for both topics state their case.
The Japanese one suggests the cost of adding jumping to current game mechanics might be too costly in development, so why not add jumping to chocobos instead.
The english one suggests jumping around is a little obnoxious, but the merits for having jumping in certain locations is ok, thus why not do a FFXIII style jump mechanism where you go to a specific spot to trigger a "jump".
A smattering of responses for both:
Japanese (translated):
"Don't want jumping. I don't want to jump around meaninglessly like an idiot in WoW where you hit [space][space][space]."
"I don't want a "jump" feature.
I would however like a [Climb] function."
"Don't need jumping: agree.
More over, why are we suddenly even talking about jumping??
There's way more things that need to be dealt with...
Like adding a map that actually makes you want to jump"
English:
"Jumping is retarded, they shouldn't let Galkas jump...EVER, unless we want the raptors to go extinct."
"YES we DO NOT want jump in FFXIV!
Please Yoshi-P DON'T DO IT!"
"My forehead is bright red from all the face palms I have been doing from reading all these posts. You guys are freaking out over such a harmless feature. Why don't you worry about the more serious problems with this broken game instead of going nuts about something as harmless as jumping."
Japanese is a more "gentile" language than English is, so it's a lot easier to spot someone trying to be harsh. But overall, meh, there are people being douchey on both sides, but there are a lot of good discussions going on too. -
03-10-2011, 10:10 AMkukurumeiWell ya... but considering how big 2chan is, are you surprised for any JP player not on 2chan? Very little closet gamers anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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03-10-2011, 10:39 AMKilta_FirelotusI'm more reading thread titles. And I've been to 2chan. I also played with alot of jp players in ffxi. Alot of them were nice to me because I was nice to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Just by reading thread titles you can tell which are rants and which are dicussions.
Also 99% of our forums are rants, useless debates and crying over stuff.
No one is making detailed calm suggestions on fixes. Offering detailed suggestions on what you guys like and enjoy. Also mixed with over spectulation leading to unneeded disappointment.
Like the quests. Soon the battle fixes and the mid- high lvl content.
Simple put no one here will be happy. -
03-10-2011, 10:41 AMKilta_Firelotusflip no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gath
correct pk sytem is zones tailored for it.
mpk is still a no no in my book. -
03-10-2011, 10:47 AMAbriaelThat's the point. Their percentage is very much similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-10-2011, 10:48 AMKilta_Firelotusthink someone watches too much.... >.> "anime".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirith
Americans are just as sexist. Your point?
I'm more angry here then anyone can fathom about this game. Yet I don't post mindless bs :)
I bought the game my pc broke now I got to wait till you "players" are happy. Which from what I seen will never happen. So chances are ima miss out on a game I bought. I wasted $80 on a coaster. -
03-10-2011, 10:49 AMCairdeas
Theres more Japanese Players then English makes this really obvious.
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03-10-2011, 10:50 AMKilta_Firelotusmindless rants out of anger and posting detailed suggestions out of angey are 2 different thing SE don;t want mindless rants they want suggestions. Be angry all you want, at least you have the option to play it where I don;t and I bought the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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03-10-2011, 10:57 AMAbriaelOh there are quite a few mindless rants (or the nearest you can get to mindless rants in japanese). And if you know 2chan, you know that it's the very home of mindless rants on the net :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-10-2011, 11:46 AMDyvid
Sounds to me like we aren't so different after all. We all complain about the same sort of stuff; enviroment, battle, party, jump lol. Though I am surprise about the PKing. Not even that big of topic on ENG.
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03-10-2011, 11:49 AMAbriaelPKing (non-consensual FFA) is actually a very popular feature in Korean/asian (non-japanese) games (Rohan, Lineage, Sikroad and so forth), and those are quite popular in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
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03-10-2011, 12:28 PMYumi_Hibiki
PK? >.< no... just no
the only time pk was ever "cool" in my book was in the various .hack anime series
(only because you could be a "legedary PKK" (player killer killer) if you kill enough douches when they tried to gank newbs lol)